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Title: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: spenoza on June 26, 2011, 04:46:49 PM
I added the "and others" to the title to make sure Arkhan doesn't feel TOO on the spot. I was just thinking lately that a Dig Dug clone for PCE could be awesome-tastic, and probably not too hard to generate graphics content for, given that the original game was VERY tile-based.
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Black Tiger on June 26, 2011, 05:03:58 PM
Black Tiger!
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 26, 2011, 05:37:36 PM
Robotron
Breakout
Pong
Carnival
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on June 26, 2011, 06:37:07 PM
Black Tiger would rock, but, I think that's beyond the scope of the games he's porting. I'm pretty sure he already made his final decisions quite some time ago. Though, I think one of my suggestions didn't end up getting picked up, Venture! I love running around as a giant happy face with a bow & arrow :D
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Post by: nodtveidt on June 26, 2011, 07:25:09 PM
I just checked out Venture... looks pretty easy to remake, though obviously the original graphics and sound is hideously primitive...
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Post by: nodtveidt on June 26, 2011, 07:47:28 PM
Hehe... how about Chiller? :)
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Post by: lord_cack on June 26, 2011, 10:41:12 PM
Donkey Kong Jr.
Moon Patrol
Either one would rock!
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Post by: touko on June 26, 2011, 10:57:48 PM
and probably not too hard to generate graphics content for, given that the original game was VERY tile-based.
I would like to add this comment.... To me, this is never the problem. Heck I have a pile of original artwork (Tile work for a couple of games) lying around waiting to be turned into games. There is where the problem comes in.
Im sure the Arkhan can attest to the fact that, a simple game in appearance doesn't mean its simple in execution.
I could go whip up some tiles for a Dig Dug Port (Or better yet a Re-Imagining.... like what Arkhan is doing with Retrocade) in a day or two but Sprite design and Animation, Music and Sound FX design, not to mention coding, testing.... all make simply remaking games like this a big issue.
Honestly I would rather put time into original concepts than Rereleasing arcade titles. There is nothing wrong with doing these types of games though. As I think Retrocade will rock and not just because its sporting some of my work :D
And again, Moon Patrol would be cool....
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: chany60126 on June 27, 2011, 02:30:31 AM
I would love to see Contra, Super C or some other run n' gun type game.
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Post by: roflmao on June 27, 2011, 03:07:08 AM
Tetris.
I'd also second Breakout.
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Arkhan on June 27, 2011, 03:11:12 AM
Venture is a really simple one to do. Horribly simple. There are never more than like 5 sprites at any given time.
I've still toyed around at the idea of it. Its probably the easiest of all the games mentioned here to redo (except pong).
More thoughts for Venture popped in my head when I sat and pummeled the Intellivision version for a few hours. It's one of my favorite Atari 2600 games, and I have fancied remaking it a few times now.
Hah, I sound like that idiot on GameMarx, only I won't be making things up and pretending I know stuff.
Since it was brought up again, I might as well add in that, if the currently planned stuff sees steady completion, I had planned for some possibilities:
Venture: Because it's a sweet game, as Paranoia pointed out, and Exidy is awesome. They deserve some PCE mojo. Wizard of Wor: Because playing it at Cedar Point made me remember how fun that game is. Though, I may pass on this in favor of: POSSIBLY: Star Castle. Yeah. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! That game ruled.
As for Pong: Already planned, :) I alluded to it (sort of) in that hucard demo video. Its going to go with Multiplayer Asteroids, and the Light Cycle game (that I am facelifting graphically/soundally. lol soundally).
Plus, pong is frikking easy. like I just wrote Pong in my head while sneezing. Ive also written Pong before, including one that had like 52 balls in play for no reason other than "hmmmm! I WONDER"
Robotron: I thought about this one, but the controls just wouldn't be the same. Lack of 2 joysticks = :( and then you'd be using a 2 button pad, and at that point you are basically playing Insanity on Hyper Mode.
Breakout: Didn't we have that already? Back in the hugo days? It lacked sound, but didn't we have that?!
Carnival: This is an interesting idea. None of the games currentely in the Retrocade are ones that require timing/precision shooting. Carnival was kind of fun. Except for the Intellivision version.... hmm.
Popeye: What kind of theme would it have? I can't just yank Popeye straight up unless I want to be sued by spinach eating lawyers.
Donkey Kong / Jr: Eh. If I did do Donkey Kong, I would be sure to make the controls less stiff than the original, because that sucked. Maybe. If the current (and above mentioned stuff) gets done. Jungle Hunt is a better platformer/rescue mission game though.
As for Black Tiger: Well, the idea is to do pre-crash games, to bring something the PCE lacks which is classic arcade games. The only non-precrash game we're doing is the Skate or Die 2 halfpipe, because man, that thing rules and could've been a pre-crash game!
My friend has a black tiger cab though. and man is that thing fun. Maybe later. The chiptunes would sound awesome.
I dunno if I mentioned it here , but I did mention it on Aetherbyte.com (ok, well, on aetherbyte.blogspot.com . The PHP thing gooned up and stopped pulling my posts from there into aetherbyte.com's news page and I didn't fix it yet.),
I will be taking a programming/fiddling around break until like July 10th. Insanity X and the CCAG stuff burned me out slightly. I needs me some more Neptunia. I may poke at a few things, but I will be taking a break.
but, Retrocade is gonna to keep on keepin' on. My phantom programmer army (1 other person, possibly a second person too), probably won't be taking a break.
I fixed the parallax sprite clipping issues in Atlantean and knocked the sprite count down and got that thing working nice. Next up is all of the controls/shooting for the Dolphindroid. The fact that this isn't a Defender cabinet means shooting is going to require careful planning and testing so that its as rapid fire action style as Defender.
I have more leads/ideas for the almighty AbCard. Yes, the AbCard. That's what I am calling the HuCards.
July should see some more updates/things to show for Retrocade.
Also: As Lord_cack pointed out, some things that seem simple, are not simple once you get into them. case in point: Berzerk. "It's from 1980 how hard could it be?" <<< I said that. lol
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: BlueBMW on June 27, 2011, 04:38:53 AM
Though it'll never happen Id love to see an epic multi disc rpg / shooter. Like have scrolling shooter sections and walk around rpg type areas. Maybe have your ship upgradeable / replaceable. All the while having some epic struggle against an ultimate evil.
Ok im done :mrgreen:
And that's not really an arcade title like the topic title states... :oops:
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Post by: roflmao on June 27, 2011, 04:43:16 AM
Wow, that would be epic. Sounds kind of like Final Lap Twin, but with shmuping instead of racing. Love it!
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Keranu on June 27, 2011, 05:44:24 AM
Though not exactly a full fledged remake, me and Tom whipped a quick and simple Pong demo for Turbo Fest. Thread here. (http://proxy2974.my-addr.net/myaddrproxy.php/http/www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=5932.0) I wanted to expand on it more, like have a four player mode and some neat graphic effects during heat of the moment action.
I'm probably the only one interested in this idea, but I would love to see Insector X on the Turbo. Not a straight arcade port, but one that combines the backgrounds and gameplay from the arcade version with the music and sprites of the Genesis.
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 27, 2011, 05:53:36 AM
Robotron: I thought about this one, but the controls just wouldn't be the same. Lack of 2 joysticks = :( and then you'd be using a 2 button pad, and at that point you are basically playing Insanity on Hyper Mode.
Make it support two controllers, rotate the orientation by º90 CCW, problem solved.
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Black Tiger on June 27, 2011, 05:55:58 AM
I was being kinda sarcastic with Black Tiger, taking the opening post literally. :P At least we got Son Son II.
A primitive hardware based game I'd love to see updated for Turbo is AD&D Treasure of Tarmin. I would gladly provide any art/graphics necessary for a remake of that. :)
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: vestcoat on June 27, 2011, 06:33:46 AM
More multiplayer games! I get a LOT more mileage out of elementary, old school games when there's a second player around. Your plan to make asteroids compatible with the Turbolink is also a really great marketing idea, encouraging people to buy a second copy.
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Arkhan on June 27, 2011, 08:35:45 AM
I was being kinda sarcastic with Black Tiger, taking the opening post literally. :P At least we got Son Son II.
A primitive hardware based game I'd love to see updated for Turbo is AD&D Treasure of Tarmin. I would gladly provide any art/graphics necessary for a remake of that. :)
lol Tarmin was awesome. What a game. Its definitely one of the few games on INTV worth putting up with the controller for.
More multiplayer games! I get a LOT more mileage out of elementary, old school games when there's a second player around. Your plan to make asteroids compatible with the Turbolink is also a really great marketing idea, encouraging people to buy a second copy.
All of the games will be turbo-linksmart.
Pong and light cycles over Turbo Expresses will definitely be awesome. I am currently fiddling with Light Cycle ideas in my head as far as art goes.
They are games I want to retain as much 1980s feel as possible. As such, I am going in the same vein as Insanity's arcade mode, but a little more polished.
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Post by: tru on June 27, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
I think Pengo would be a fun game on the Turbo... pushing those blocks of ice into enemies and squishing them while trying to line up 2 diamonds before the imte run out... I used to play the crap out of that arcade machine...
A game that I would think would be rather eay to do would be Cosmic Arc... not much going on in the game in terms of graphics... but I remember playing it a lot as a kid... that and Demon Attack...
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Post by: BlueBMW on June 27, 2011, 12:11:46 PM
Maybe a boulderdash clone? :D I used to play the crap outta that game on my atari 800
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on June 27, 2011, 01:27:31 PM
ESPGaluda PC Engine-ified! yeah right.....
Gals Panic staring the sexy ladies of the PC Engine, you know the hot little numbers from Sapphire, Yuna, Valis mmmmmmm thatd be so epic
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: KingDrool on June 27, 2011, 02:37:31 PM
I don't care about any sort of remakes or clones (though I'll buy anything Arkhan churns out). What I'd love to see are more original games. Action/platformers/shmups, etc.
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Post by: DesmondThe3rd on June 27, 2011, 02:58:29 PM
E.T. 2!
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Post by: TheOldMan on June 27, 2011, 03:11:56 PM
No!
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Arkhan on June 27, 2011, 03:17:30 PM
I don't care about any sort of remakes or clones (though I'll buy anything Arkhan churns out). What I'd love to see are more original games. Action/platformers/shmups, etc.
Well fortunately while these are clones, they're spiffed up and shit so its not like youre just buying atari games. Its not like the 3402392 shooters on PCe are all original, lol.
also, that's not the first time Pengo was suggested.
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Post by: TheClash603 on June 27, 2011, 03:39:57 PM
Love the Chiller and Moon Patrol suggestions.
A few of my old school favorites which weren't mentioned are Pifall 2 (maybe a tad complex), KC Crazy Chase, or Keystone Capers.
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Post by: spenoza on June 27, 2011, 05:05:26 PM
What? No support for Dig Dug? How about Qix, or Q-bert? Or even the original Mario Brothers (not Super at all).
Come to think of it, a remake of the old Atari console game Combat could be pretty awesome, too. I played that quite a bit.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 27, 2011, 06:08:42 PM
Mario Bros for sure. Q-bert though...sorry, that game was just no damned fun.
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Post by: blueraven on June 27, 2011, 09:39:46 PM
Joust 2 PC Engine! :D
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: lord_cack on June 27, 2011, 10:21:37 PM
I don't care about any sort of remakes or clones (though I'll buy anything Arkhan churns out). What I'd love to see are more original games. Action/platformers/shmups, etc.
Black Tiger would rock, but, I think that's beyond the scope of the games he's porting. I'm pretty sure he already made his final decisions quite some time ago. Though, I think one of my suggestions didn't end up getting picked up, Venture! I love running around as a giant happy face with a bow & arrow :D
What is the scope? Only games from the 80's/Atari, that type of look?
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Post by: Charlie on June 28, 2011, 07:20:07 AM
>>What? No support for Dig Dug? How about Qix, or Q-bert? Or even the original Mario Brothers (not Super at all).<<
Absolutely, positively support this with all my heart and soul. (That means I like it)
Charlie
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Arkhan on June 28, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
Black Tiger would rock, but, I think that's beyond the scope of the games he's porting. I'm pretty sure he already made his final decisions quite some time ago. Though, I think one of my suggestions didn't end up getting picked up, Venture! I love running around as a giant happy face with a bow & arrow :D
What is the scope? Only games from the 80's/Atari, that type of look?
Pre video game crash games:
AKA:
everything before Famicom/NES.
Except for C64. f*ck that noise.
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Post by: nodtveidt on June 28, 2011, 02:37:52 PM
I thought about doing Combat and Pitfall II... both are pretty easy. I also thought about doing River Raid, but that was a very cleverly coded game for its time.
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Post by: lord_cack on June 28, 2011, 02:56:30 PM
I thought about doing Combat and Pitfall II... both are pretty easy. I also thought about doing River Raid, but that was a very cleverly coded game for its time.
Atari 5200 Pitfall 2 > Super Mario Bros.
Yeah, I said it!
...though I have to say I am somewhat dismayed no one seconded my KC Crazy Chase (best maze game that isn't Ms. Pacman) and Keystone Caper (escalators are good... but bad!)
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Post by: Keranu on June 29, 2011, 01:37:44 AM
Firetruck!
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Post by: Arkhan on June 29, 2011, 02:26:47 AM
I thought about doing Combat and Pitfall II... both are pretty easy. I also thought about doing River Raid, but that was a very cleverly coded game for its time.
Activision got all the good weed back in the day, I think.
all their games are mind bogglingly clever code wise.
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Post by: fragmare on June 29, 2011, 04:02:57 AM
Demon Attack! :)
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Post by: spenoza on June 29, 2011, 05:35:24 AM
I remember enjoying a couple of the Mr. Do entries back in the day. They reminded me a little of Dig Dug while also being significantly different.
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Post by: Arkhan on June 29, 2011, 06:57:54 AM
lol only if its the atari 2600 one and not the Intardovision one.
But even that, weve got Galaga 88. Totally a better game.
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: Black Tiger on June 29, 2011, 08:55:12 AM
If you can make it at least as epic: Sinistron. 8)
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Post by: Bernie on June 29, 2011, 02:39:02 PM
Was Pitfall ever in arcades? That would be interesting as a Super CD game. I was never big in the arcade games, seeing as how I didnt get into video games till I got a NES. But I do remember enjoying it the most on the 2600 at my uncles when I was young. That and Yar's Revenge.
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Post by: nodtveidt on June 29, 2011, 04:52:53 PM
Yar's Revenge is one I'd like to remake too... and make it all fancy shmancy :D
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Post by: hoobs88 on June 29, 2011, 05:03:30 PM
How about a 5 player version of Sega's "Quartet"? You could call it "Quintet", "Cinco de Sega", or "Fab Force Five". Just don't leave out the token black guy!
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Post by: SignOfZeta on June 29, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
How about a 5 player version of Sega's "Quartet"? You could call it "Quintet", "Cinco de Sega", or "Fab Force Five". Just don't leave out the token black guy!
That...is a f*cking fantastic idea.
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Post by: spenoza on June 30, 2011, 02:59:23 AM
How about a 5 player version of Sega's "Quartet"? You could call it "Quintet", "Cinco de Sega", or "Fab Force Five". Just don't leave out the token black guy!
Hells yes. Problem is, the original already had an awesome Van Halen-style synth loop. How can that be topped on the PCE?
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Post by: Arkhan on June 30, 2011, 08:19:21 AM
How about a 5 player version of Sega's "Quartet"? You could call it "Quintet", "Cinco de Sega", or "Fab Force Five". Just don't leave out the token black guy!
Hells yes. Problem is, the original already had an awesome Van Halen-style synth loop. How can that be topped on the PCE?
I could top that shit! This is the PCE duder. But Quartet is so large that it would be a good standalone game. The point of variety packing this is to give you more bang for your buck without giving us more delays for your buck. lol
That's funny, I mix up Sinistron and Paranoia all the time. They're just too damn similar.
They are similar in how much I suck at them. Paranoia is prettier and has better music, IMO.
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Post by: Bernie on June 30, 2011, 11:41:56 AM
Im sticking with Yar's Revenge or Pit Fall. :) I'd love it, be all over it, buy 1000 copies.. ok, maybe not that far. I played the shit out of both those games when I was little. Be cool to see em revamped on the Duo. Doesnt really matter what the next project is tho, cuz I'll buy it regardless.
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Post by: Arkhan on June 30, 2011, 12:07:40 PM
Paranoia is like my favorite horizontal PCE shootar. Games so awesome.
Yars Revenge would need ALOT of additions. The games too frigging simple and boring to me, lol. What is so great about it!?
Its 2 levels over and over!
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Post by: Bernie on June 30, 2011, 12:10:08 PM
Was Pitfall ever in arcades? That would be interesting as a Super CD game.
>:-(
Why frowny face? :)
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Post by: Necromancer on July 01, 2011, 02:23:18 AM
Arcade Pitfall: .
I don't remember ever seeing it anywhere, but apparently the first level is like the original Pitfall, the second level is like Pitfall 2, and the remaining levels were original.
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Post by: TheOldMan on July 01, 2011, 03:09:12 AM
Quote
Why frowny face?
Supposed to be mad face. Arguements over Pitfall vs. Jungle Hunt.
Title: Re: Suggest retro arcade games for Arkhan (and others) to create for the PCE
Post by: hoobs88 on July 01, 2011, 03:17:54 AM
How about a 5 player version of Sega's "Quartet"? You could call it "Quintet", "Cinco de Sega", or "Fab Force Five". Just don't leave out the token black guy!
Hells yes. Problem is, the original already had an awesome Van Halen-style synth loop. How can that be topped on the PCE?
I could top that shit! This is the PCE duder. But Quartet is so large that it would be a good standalone game. The point of variety packing this is to give you more bang for your buck without giving us more delays for your buck. lol
I didn't realize that these suggestions were for a variety pack. I'd still like to see what Arkhan could do with Quartet if it was a stand alone game. On a side note, I was just listening to a MIDI file of the music from the game yesterday.
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Post by: Bernie on July 01, 2011, 03:54:29 AM
Supposed to be mad face. Arguements over Pitfall vs. Jungle Hunt.
ohhhh.. I had totally forgotten about Jungle Hunt!! oops!
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 01, 2011, 06:29:23 AM
I had a thought. To help update these retrocade games, maybe you could include elements of similar games for the same era.
For instance, in Atlantean, maybe there's a way you could mix in some Dolphin, maybe as some kind of bonus challeng if you meet the right criteria. Also could mix elements of Sea Quest(I think that's what it was called?).
For Jungle Hunt, mix in some elements of the Pitfalls. I've always loved Jungle Hunt, but, at the same time, it gets kinda old, since it's level based. I think there are 4 levels in it, once you beat those, it just repeats with a higher difficulty. Perhaps make it more like an open world that has these challenge part with nothing but vine swining or swimming & fighting aligator's, etc.
IF you did Venture, you could maybe .....include elements of Food Fight! :D Bare with me now, maybe when you enter rooms, there could be things in those rooms that you can throw, that has various effects on the enemies, freezes them, slows there speed, confuse, etc. However, maybe they could also use those against you. And then finally, you get to eat a giant ice cream(not really, but, something could be captured to progress you to a new level).
Just food for though, I think you already have Pyramid Plunder down pat, & I can't think of anything to add to the ramp, I don't recall what other games you were going to do other then the Insanity death match.
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Post by: nat on July 01, 2011, 07:16:12 AM
That's funny, I mix up Sinistron and Paranoia all the time. They're just too damn similar.
They are similar in how much I suck at them. Paranoia is prettier and has better music, IMO.
:o
Indeed, Nat. I had Sinistron for many years. While I found the "jaws" mechanic to be rather neat, the graphics were unimpressive and the music grated on my nerves quite a bit.