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Title: Which announced but unreleased Turbo game are you most disappointed about?
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 06:38:42 AM
Which announced but unreleased Turbo game are you most disappointed about not being released for the domestic Turbo. I pulled together a list of good ones that were announced at various times but not released.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 19, 2011, 06:44:43 AM
good thread Dan. That is a sad list of excellent games. *sigh*
I voted Cosmic Fantasy III as CF2 was one of the best selling turbo CD games, and we could have used another game in the series state side to help sales... but... yeah..
What really disappointed me were games like Dracula X and Ys IV not even being considered for release in the U.S.!!
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 06:48:28 AM
good thread Dan. That is a sad list of excellent games. *sigh*
I voted Cosmic Fantasy III as CF2 was one of the best selling turbo CD games, and we could have used another game in the series state side to help sales... but... yeah..
What really disappointed me were games like Dracula X and Ys IV not even being considered for release in the U.S.!!
They both came out too late. By the time those two came out in late 1993 the Turbo was almost dead. TTI was out of business just a few months later. In the case of Dracula X, they also would have had to license it from Konami which would have cost more than they had to spend. Remember, they didn't even have the money to release games they had already licensed, hence the list.
Added in edit: Well, 3 of the games on that list were Working Designs games (the two Neo-Geo ports and CF3). So you can't blame TTI for all of it.
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Post by: nectarsis on September 19, 2011, 06:52:23 AM
Far East of Eden 2, and Bonk IV: Bonk RPG (prob higher for Bonk as it never got release at all).
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Post by: Necromancer on September 19, 2011, 07:03:24 AM
Probably Bonk IV, King of the Monsters, and that Dangerous Journeys D&D game, since they don't exist on the PCE either.
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Post by: geise on September 19, 2011, 07:06:08 AM
I voted for Far East of Eden 2, cause I freaking love that game even though I can't understand a lick of it! When I heard it was supposedly coming state side I was so excited. Alas it was not to be.... :cry:
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Post by: Sadler on September 19, 2011, 07:31:31 AM
Does Neutopia 3 count as announced? I'm pretty disappointed that never came out.
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Post by: Mishran on September 19, 2011, 07:32:48 AM
Bonk RPG definitely. CF3 would have been great too.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 19, 2011, 07:42:23 AM
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 19, 2011, 08:38:10 AM
yea, Lords of Thunder FX. Jesus, talk about Epic.
I thought there was also a demo of an Air Zonk in 3D roaming around too, probably best that never saw the light of day anyway. :P
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Post by: TheClash603 on September 19, 2011, 08:39:46 AM
Bonk RPG, I never knew this was even rumored until now. Did the game ever get off the ground, or was it just in idea phase when it bit the dust?
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Post by: Necromancer on September 19, 2011, 08:50:09 AM
I don't know about Air Zonk 3D, but there was Super Star Soldier 3D.
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Post by: MotherGunner on September 19, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
TV Sports Baseball! (not even on the list)
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Post by: vestcoat on September 19, 2011, 09:32:43 AM
Any chance of updating the list? It's missing a lot of games.
My vote is for Dangerous Journeys. I would have loved the novelty of seeing Bonk RPG, but it probably would have been another crappy, linear, mascot JRPG like that Mario RPG on SNES.
Not getting Battle Load Runner barely bothers me at all as the import version is readily available and fully playable.
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Post by: allyourblood on September 19, 2011, 10:43:38 AM
I chose Bonk RPG for two reasons. One, it seems like it would've been fun, no matter how it turned out. Two, I'm not ultra-familiar with the lineage of the other titles mentioned.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
Any chance of updating the list? It's missing a lot of games.
My vote is for Dangerous Journeys. I would have loved the novelty of seeing Bonk RPG, but it probably would have been another crappy, linear, mascot JRPG like that Mario RPG on SNES.
Not getting Battle Load Runner barely bothers me at all as the import version is readily available and fully playable.
Send me some names and I'll add to the list.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 11:20:15 AM
Before I read the list, this was going to be my pick. Then I saw this wasn't on there, and the mystery of Bonk RPG caught my eye. This is definitely one of the more infamous vaporware titles on the system.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 11:59:25 AM
Before I read the list, this was going to be my pick. Then I saw this wasn't on there, and the mystery of Bonk RPG caught my eye. This is definitely one of the more infamous vaporware titles on the system.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 19, 2011, 12:45:16 PM
It was a hard choice for me between CF3 & Manji Maru. I chose CF3 because I already had an established love for characters, that return in CF3. Note that CF1 was also planned as kind of a budget title...but obviously got nowhere in production.
As for Bonk's Quest(TTI's name), most of the pictures floating around on the net, are fakes. Red made them originally as a joke, but then interest started buzzing(similar to how Bonk got started in the first place), & so they started developing it. There are official pictures in an oldl EGM I have, probably Steve/Esteban has it already scanned. The real pictures of the game.....don't look near as good as the old mockup/joke pictures unfortunately Ofcoarse, even all of this could be wrong. There's no real way to know for sure without going to the source, the people who actually worked on the game!
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Post by: henrycsc on September 19, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
For me, all the unreleased games were equally disappointing. I would have to say Dangerous Journeys just because TTI was finally starting to get some good US only titles out for the system. Ports of any of the great PCE titles would have been welcome as well. I would have probably ditched Bonk 3 SCD for Star Parodier/Spriggan/Drac X = pipe dream.
I remember back in the day reading about upcoming games and thinking the TTI (though they had their act together better than NEC-USA) was still missing the mark on what they snagged from the Japanese selection.
I had a discussion long ago about the upcoming Terraforming game. My friend and I both agreed that what was probably recommended to TTI was Spriggan Mk. 2 Re Terraform Project. Somehow wires got crossed and we ended up with Terraforming. Not a bad game, but probably not the best choice.
TV Sports Baseball may have actually made it very far into development considering a former NEC employee had an EPROM of it. I wasn't sure if he was ever able to get it working. If you're out there malicedoom - any updates?
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Post by: RR1980 on September 19, 2011, 02:15:35 PM
how about the Batman platformer that was supposed to come out instead of the Batman game that did ended up coming out for the pce?
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Post by: hoobs88 on September 19, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
Any chance of updating the list? It's missing a lot of games.
My vote is for Dangerous Journeys. I would have loved the novelty of seeing Bonk RPG, but it probably would have been another crappy, linear, mascot JRPG like that Mario RPG on SNES.
Not getting Battle Load Runner barely bothers me at all as the import version is readily available and fully playable.
Dangerous Journeys is the only game that I knew of that was slated to be released but never was. I have the PCE version of Battle Lode Runner so I'm in the same boat as Vestcoat with regards to that. This Bonk IV talk has me intrigued, I'll have to look around for some screenshots (whether they are legit or not).
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Post by: spenoza on September 20, 2011, 06:18:55 AM
Does anyone know what actually happened to Dangerous Journeys? How far along in dev was it?
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Post by: vestcoat on September 20, 2011, 06:46:20 AM
The following games were announced in the 1993 Club Duo Catalog (in addition to King of the Monster 2, Macross 2036, and Battle Load Runner, whic you already got): Macross 2036SLG Wizardry 1 & 2 World Heroes (WD)
People on this forum have said the KotM2 and WH were finished and playable.
The Official TG-16 Game Encyclopedia previews an alternate version of Camp California. Some guy has appeared here twice over the years flaunting pictures of it.
Let's not forget Strider for the Supergrafx.
Xymati and PC Gunjin should also be included - there were announced by an established developer and screenshots were released. Xymati has been switched to the xboxlive and nothing has been heard regarding PC Gunjin for five years.
I don't know anything about them, but, for the sake of completeness, other folks have mentioned a PCE Batman platformer and a U.S. release of Cosmic Fantasy 1.
Finally, while they can hardly be considered games, The Official TG-16 Game Encyclopedia also lists the following educational "Discis Books": The Tale of Peter Rabbit Benjamin Bunny Scary Poems for Rotten Kids Cinderella A Long Hard Day on the Ranch Thomas' Snowsuit
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Post by: runinruder on September 20, 2011, 06:50:04 AM
I hadn't read that interview before. It seems Mr. Marsh convinced NEC to abandon Dangerous Journeys and then TTI picked it up again a few years later.
ICOM was a Chicago-based company and Dave Marsh describes NEC as "just down the road" in his interview. He also says the Addams Family license was still on the table. Thus, the conference room they were sitting around was probably somewhere in Illinois and the meeting was prior to the Addams Family release in 1991.
TTI later announced that Dangerous Journeys would be released in April 93: http://www.video-game-ephemera.com/image/014_a.jpg
(main page here: http://www.video-game-ephemera.com/014.htm and PCEFX discussion here http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=9768.0 )
When Dave Marsh talked to NEC about Dangerous Journeys it 1989-90 the country was at the height of its Dungeons and Dragons = Satanism hysteria. The women who's son committed suicide had just published her book "The Devil's Web: Who Is Stalking Your Children For Satan?" and TSR had recently changed it's policy and stopped referencing devils and demons in its products. Gary Gygax was by no means a Satanist and TTI was probably smart enough to realize the fact a couple years later, restarting the project.
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Post by: Arkhan on September 20, 2011, 08:38:23 AM
DEVILS AND DUNGEONS.
YEAH.
GET OUT THE d666
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 20, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
that mindrec run n' gun game should be added. I was looking forward to that.
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Post by: Mathius on September 20, 2011, 02:08:23 PM
America needed Far East of Eden 2! Now look where we're at! :-$ [-(
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 20, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
For me, all the unreleased games were equally disappointing. I would have to say Dangerous Journeys just because TTI was finally starting to get some good US only titles out for the system. Ports of any of the great PCE titles would have been welcome as well. I would have probably ditched Bonk 3 SCD for Star Parodier/Spriggan/Drac X = pipe dream.
I remember back in the day reading about upcoming games and thinking the TTI (though they had their act together better than NEC-USA) was still missing the mark on what they snagged from the Japanese selection.
I had a discussion long ago about the upcoming Terraforming game. My friend and I both agreed that what was probably recommended to TTI was Spriggan Mk. 2 Re Terraform Project. Somehow wires got crossed and we ended up with Terraforming. Not a bad game, but probably not the best choice.
TV Sports Baseball may have actually made it very far into development considering a former NEC employee had an EPROM of it. I wasn't sure if he was ever able to get it working. If you're out there malicedoom - any updates?
I don't think there's any way it could've been Spriggan 2, there's lot's of dialogue in it, which means lot's of translating, even if they left out the voices. Terraforming was probably either cheap, or free for them to bring over. IIRC, Bonk 3 CD was given to them as a freebie. Baseball had to be done, it just had to. I've mentioned it before, but Game Dude even had a listing for a used copy of it at some time. But, the guy I asked didn't know anything about it. Might mean that some kind of eprom was sold to them at some time??
And I forgot to mention it, but, that Action RPG Adventure looking game, that was supposed to be 2 player, called Riftwar Saga.....I've always had a jones for that game. Might've been terrible for all I know, but it looked(from the 2 screenshots I've ever seen) & sounded cool.
As for that alternate version of Camp California that someone talked about, I hope you don't mean me? An old friend of mine, who's dad worked for Icom(& did the gfx for Ghost Manor, not to mention played the hero in that game!) had an old early demo of Camp California. I'm sure I've mentioned that, but, all I know about it, is that it was incomplete, & only had the title screen music, I remember hearing it over the phone, but never saw it in person.
And as for World Heroes, & King of the Monsters 2, I swear that one of the Shirley Bros. told me they were done, but wouldn't release them because they were afraid TTI was going to release WH2 with the Arcade Card, but then ofcoarse didn't release KotM 2 because it REQUIRED the Arcade card, irony at it's best #-o
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Post by: MotherGunner on September 20, 2011, 04:16:21 PM
how about the Batman platformer that was supposed to come out instead of the Batman game that did ended up coming out for the pce?
What? I would take the PCE version of batman any day over the platformer if given a choice, though they were both awesome! =)
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Post by: RR1980 on September 20, 2011, 10:38:11 PM
yeah the pce Batman isn't bad by any means it's just that there's already another game out there that's more or less the same on the pce (Doraemon) and on the TG16 (Cratermaze) so it would have been cooler if it had been a platformer especially being the only superhero game in the whole PCE/TG16 libaray
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 20, 2011, 10:48:45 PM
And as for World Heroes, & King of the Monsters 2, I swear that one of the Shirley Bros. told me they were done, but wouldn't release them because they were afraid TTI was going to release WH2 with the Arcade Card, but then ofcoarse didn't release KotM 2 because it REQUIRED the Arcade card, irony at it's best #-o
My understanding is that they were both finished.
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Post by: KingDrool on September 21, 2011, 07:13:01 AM
This thread makes me sad. I remember seeing screenshots of a few of these games in EGM and other magazines and being really excited. I voted Bonk RPG, but a couple of the games I was dying for were Far East of Eden and Cosmic Fantasy 3. Macross 2036 was another one that caught my eye back in the day. The Duo had so much potential, but they shut it down too quickly. :cry:
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Post by: MotherGunner on September 21, 2011, 07:17:37 AM
Agreed. What I would love to see is a reprint of FEOE Manji Maru translated to English!
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 21, 2011, 07:31:55 AM
Also, Far East of Eden III Namida was announced by Konami for a US release, it got canned. And someone licensed Tengai Makyou: Ziria for Xbox 360 (yes they remade it for the 360) but it was not released.
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Post by: MotherGunner on September 21, 2011, 08:10:26 AM
I remember that. I posted some screenshots for Ziria 360 back in the day. These are great games. I put them up there with Ys and its sad they never made it here.
Speaking of which, have you guys seen this article?
It does correlate with what has been happening for a while now.
I remember that. I posted some screenshots for Ziria 360 back in the day. These are great games. I put them up there with Ys and its sad they never made it here.
Speaking of which, have you guys seen this article?
It does correlate with what has been happening for a while now.
Really though, it is reversed. Westerners were buying Japanese games, that were for all intents and purposes just as Japanese as they were before. It's just that there's so much more Western stuff out there specifically aimed at Westerners that the Japanese and Western markets have started to split significantly.
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Post by: MotherGunner on September 21, 2011, 08:57:38 AM
Agreed. Luckily most games are easy to import as they contain english. It's the RPGs that are a PITA.
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Post by: henrycsc on September 21, 2011, 03:30:25 PM
I don't think there's any way it could've been Spriggan 2, there's lot's of dialogue in it, which means lot's of translating, even if they left out the voices. Terraforming was probably either cheap, or free for them to bring over.
I only said it because this was what my friend and I believed back in the day. With efforts like Beyond Shadowgate, it wouldn't have been unreasonable to think that they could have aimed higher. Once we got Terraforming, my friend and I just looked at each other and asked "how did they pick this game?" It's a great game, but free or not, it did little to expand the market of the Duo in the US.
Even a US Dracula X or Sapphire wouldn't have saved the system by that time, but it could have sent it off with a bang. I suppose they could have released a US Virtual Cushion and Hi Leg Fantasy. Take the Wii marketing scheme to a whole new level.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 21, 2011, 10:52:03 PM
Found the pics of Riftwar Saga, I know it's not absolutely incredible looking, but, I've always had an interest in it none the less (http://archives.tg-16.com/EGM/big_riftwar_saga.jpg)
As for Japanese gaming. While today I do buy more Western games then BITD, most of my games are from Japan. I still love Jp games more over Western in general, though the gap between them is smaller.
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 22, 2011, 12:10:11 AM
wow PD, that looks amazing!! I've never heard of Riftwar Saga till this moment.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 22, 2011, 01:28:09 AM
wow PD, that looks amazing!! I've never heard of Riftwar Saga till this moment.
BTW, I found a few other games TTI showed off at CES's. These include Snatcher (yes, I'm serious), Image Fight II, I also found very brief video of King of the Monsters 2 and World Heroes along with some others. I may put up pictures in a little bit.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 22, 2011, 01:46:53 AM
Here's some pictures from a CES of some unreleased games or banners for unreleased games.
Once we got Terraforming, my friend and I just looked at each other and asked "how did they pick this game?"
I think they were banking on Syd Mead's name to help to sell the game. Didn't work.
the flaw in that plan is Syd Mead fans didn't buy the Turbob because it wasn't called Syd Mead's Turbob Grafx-16
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Post by: KingDrool on September 22, 2011, 04:20:33 AM
Ah yes, I remember seeing stuff for Ranma 1/2 and Snatcher. It was Snatcher that really got me excited back in the day. Years later, I eventually got it on the Sega CD, weeping for my poor Turbo Duo and that it missed out on such a great game.
That last batch of announced-but-unreleased games was really great. Thanks for the post, Dan.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 22, 2011, 05:28:10 AM
Ah yes, I remember seeing stuff for Ranma 1/2 and Snatcher. It was Snatcher that really got me excited back in the day. Years later, I eventually got it on the Sega CD, weeping for my poor Turbo Duo and that it missed out on such a great game.
That last batch of announced-but-unreleased games was really great. Thanks for the post, Dan.
No problem, I figured photo evidence of some of these would be useful. For World Heroes and King of the Monsters 2, all I had were title screens.
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Post by: Senshi on September 22, 2011, 06:27:51 AM
Was dracula X announced or just not thought about?
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Post by: Mathius on September 22, 2011, 07:05:00 AM
I doubt it was even considered due to the Turbo being on life support at that time.
It looks like TTI licensed two games from Konami that never got released. One of the Gradius games, and Snatcher. Neither of which saw the light of day. Dracula X came out almost a year after all those games I showed you below were shown off by TTI. TTI had enough trouble releasing games they had the rights to before they could worry about ones they didn't.
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Post by: MotherGunner on September 22, 2011, 08:36:32 AM
Doesn't really count, but: Mortal Kombat.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 22, 2011, 07:13:26 PM
I was told by Eun Lopez(the secretary at TTI during it's demise) that Macross 2036 was basically done(though, I know not what the final name of the game was, maybe kept it as Macross, can't imagine them getting the Robotech name!), but there were a few glitches near the end, or atleast, that's what my memory tells me. It'd be nice to find that "almost" finished version someday, if it really exists.
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Post by: SMF on September 22, 2011, 09:11:49 PM
Funny story about MK for TG, I read that it was offered to NEC first as a exclusive but they turned it down. Wonder how many people would have picked a TG16 up if it was only available on the TG16?
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 23, 2011, 12:23:56 AM
Funny story about MK for TG, I read that it was offered to NEC first as a exclusive but they turned it down. Wonder how many people would have picked a TG16 up if it was only available on the TG16?
While it was a big arcade game, it really took off with its home release in the US. It certainly wouldn't have been anywhere near as possible had it been console exclusive.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 23, 2011, 12:21:58 PM
Dan, did you ever see Riftwar Saga an any CES's? That's one game I'd love to have more info on.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 23, 2011, 03:33:03 PM
Dan, did you ever see Riftwar Saga an any CES's? That's one game I'd love to have more info on.
I don't recall seeing it. Those screens BTW are from a video of the CES's I found. However, I did attend both the 1992 and 1993 Summer CES when TTI was in attendance. I remember a baseball game (not TV sports baseball) that never got released being shown off and demo'ed on a core grafx. I also asked a TTI rep about Street Fighter II Champion Edition, to which they said "we're working on it".
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 23, 2011, 04:15:50 PM
Bummer, I can't even find any info on "Kid's Source", who were they, where were they based, where are they now? :D
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Post by: henrycsc on September 23, 2011, 05:51:25 PM
Was dracula X announced or just not thought about?
It was considered to the point that it is mentioned (as a response to a letter) in the last issue of Duo World. TTI certainly would have considered it - as a pipe dream maybe, but there is no way that it wouldn't have been at least talked about.
As well, add Street Fighter 2 since TTI did at least make an attempt to get licensing for the game. That one certainly would have turned heads here in the US.
Dan, this is the first time that I have seen the screenshots of the CES demos. It brings tears to my eyes. So close, so close.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on September 23, 2011, 06:29:17 PM
WTF is Bonk RPG? Was any actual work done on this or is the leading result in this poll based on half a sentence some dude from TTI might have said once?
I voted for CF3 since it a) actually exists b) is decent c) is very hard to play for most Americans in Japanese and d) was advertised on a sign in a town in CF2.
If CF3 was actually released in the US people would still be fawning over it. Shit, a lot of people absolutely worship CF 2 and that game is basically, cut scenes aside, crap on a cracker.
I wanted 2036 really bad back in the day, but now that it can be had for $30 its not that big of a deal for me. The voice acting hasn't been replaced with horrifically bad lines read by janitors and/or people who have had their heads ran over by a bus (see: Final Zone 2) but IMO that's a good thing.
BTW, Macross: Eternal Love Song was also announced but isn't on this poll. That one actually would benefit from translation.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 23, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
I've seen two completely different sets of pics for Bonk's Quest. Actually, there were 2 EGM's one right after the other that each had a Bonk game. The first one was showing off what they called Bonk 3: Panic Cyborg, the next EGM had what they called at the time Bonk 4: The Role Playing Game, or something to that effect. It has completely different pics of a Bonk RPG then what you'll normally find on the net. Frankly, it doesn't look that great compared to the pics that are easier to find. I recall being kinda bummed BITD, because the other set of pics appeared in mags before these crummy looking ones.
I still have that EGM somewhere, I don't think I ever took any pics of it, eventually if someone can't find the other set, I'll start digging around for that mag & take pics of them. Oh & EGM even included Bonk 4 in some kind of contest where you could win it....obviously no one won it :roll:
Found pics:
http://turbo.mindrec.com/unreleased/bonk4/
Most of the pics there are ones that I believe are the real deal, however, the overworld shot in the upper right& the 2 at the very bottom I believe are fake, & were actually pictures of from a Genjin comic that ended up inspiring them to make a real RPG for him!
Oh, & I have a flyer from TTI advertising it as Bonk's Quest. I believe that was the last name they had for it, before it got canned.
Here's some more pics, once again, not sure what's fake & what's real http://bonkzonk.com/game.ktn?Game=rpcg
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Post by: SignOfZeta on September 23, 2011, 09:12:37 PM
Dang, that would have been cool, probably very Momotaro-esque, most likely.
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Post by: geise on September 24, 2011, 02:17:45 AM
Hmmm...RPG Genjin. I bet Thibaut has that.
Seriously though, that game looked like it would have been really good. It's a shame it never happened like quite a few others on the pc-engine/turbo. :cry: Thanks for sharing the pics ParanoiaDragon. I vaguely remember seeing these long ago.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 24, 2011, 02:23:21 AM
WTF is Bonk RPG? Was any actual work done on this or is the leading result in this poll based on half a sentence some dude from TTI might have said once?
Yeah, it was definitely a real project.
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I voted for CF3 since it a) actually exists b) is decent c) is very hard to play for most Americans in Japanese and d) was advertised on a sign in a town in CF2.
If CF3 was actually released in the US people would still be fawning over it. Shit, a lot of people absolutely worship CF 2 and that game is basically, cut scenes aside, crap on a cracker.
Some work was done on the US translation by Working Designs, they had it on display at both the 1993 Winter and Summer CES.
Also, CF2 had a decent story, good characterizations and nice music and atmosphere. It was better than a lot of 16-bit RPGs.
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Post by: Dyna138 on September 26, 2011, 01:30:23 PM
I would have loved to see a Bonk RPG for 2 reasons, I love Bonk and there aren't nearly enough Turbo RPGs translated in the west. Besides that CF3 would have been sweet for the same reason, although I'm not a big big fan of CF2. I think I got mid way through CF2 and kind of put it down, I have to give it another try.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 26, 2011, 02:10:01 PM
I wouldn't necessarily give up 100% on CF3, Victor never has confirmed nor denied how much work was done on the game. I've never been able to get a straight answer out of him. Unfortunately, it's a Telenet product, so it might fall under Sunsoft, which, at first was looking like it was going to be doing wonderful things with it's properties.....but they seemed to have disapeared, & I have no idea what Victor is up to lately, other then some PS1 rereleases on PSN.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 26, 2011, 02:12:21 PM
I wouldn't necessarily give up 100% on CF3, Victor never has confirmed nor denied how much work was done on the game. I've never been able to get a straight answer out of him. Unfortunately, it's a Telenet product, so it might fall under Sunsoft, which, at first was looking like it was going to be doing wonderful things with it's properties.....but they seemed to have disapeared, & I have no idea what Victor is up to lately, other then some PS1 rereleases on PSN.
I recall Vic answering this question on the old Working Designs message board way back when. I think a first draft of a script was done, but never added to the actual game.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on September 26, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Bummer, I hope more was done, just because that would rock so much if we eventually got a completed version of that game!
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Post by: offsidewing on October 23, 2011, 03:50:34 AM
Does anyone know if Mortal Kombat was just offered up in a preliminary fashion, or was any of the coding actually complete?
Only the license was offered as an exclusive. Midway didn't handle any of the console ports. Even if Nec/TTi had gone for the deal, they probably would've had the team behind Talespin or something do the port and it would have done more damage than good.
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Post by: Arkhan on October 25, 2011, 01:28:04 AM
You can't really make Mortal Kombat any shittier , to be honest.
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Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on October 25, 2011, 01:46:19 AM
You can't really make Mortal Kombat any shittier , to be honest.
Mortal Kombat was fine for its time, and yeah, it was made shity, via Gameboy and Gamegear. Most all of the Mk ports suffer from some issue or another other then the Dos Cd release from the MK1/MK2 Collection for Dos. That one is about the only near perfect port from that time period of the game. Link to video of it:
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Post by: Arkhan on October 25, 2011, 02:39:23 AM
I was never into the herky jerky quality of it, or the way the moves were done. I did really like Raiden, and only use him ever.
I blame the janky motion capture stuff. It just looks funny. I much preferred Street Fighter 2 and the games that play like it.
and, I hate that Street Fighter: The Movie fighting game. It's like Mortal Kombat for me.
I remember renting MK2 when I was younger and got a kick out of it for maybe 30 minutes, and then went "meh" and played Battletoads!
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Post by: offsidewing on October 25, 2011, 08:45:45 AM
Interesting tid bit, as I package off stuff I'm selling, I flipped through the pages of Turbo Force Vol 1 Issue 4 and noticed there is a screen shot of Dangerous Journeys in the 'Coming Attractions' section for the Winter CES 1993.
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Post by: machomadness on October 27, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
Playing the CD-R of the Fantasy Star Soldier prototype, it's so addicting and fun, it's a damn shame it was never released....
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Post by: nat on October 29, 2011, 07:50:39 AM
How does it differ from Star Parodia? I was under the impression they were identical except for the title screen.
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Post by: roflmao on October 29, 2011, 08:39:20 AM
How does it differ from Star Parodia? I was under the impression they were identical except for the title screen.
That what I thought as well. Star Parodier is an excellent game, and can be found relatively cheap on ebay (at least it could be when I picked it up a handful of months ago).
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Post by: henrycsc on November 01, 2011, 04:24:58 PM
I just got the 1993 Club Duo Volume 1 catalog from Offsidewing - thanks man!
It has quite a few unreleased titles in it (as vestcoast mentioned). The catalog was bold enough to actually list part numbers and dates for these games, and several have screen shots.
Here is a complete list of unreleased US titles
Battle Load Runner Hu TGX020094 October Macross 2036 SLG SCD TGXCD1049 August Wizardry 1 & 2 SCD TGXCD1050 September Macross 2036 SCD (No part number here) July King of Monsters 2 SCD WTG990502 September (Screenshot shows King of the Monsters 2) World Heroes SCD WTG990503 October
I have scanned the catalog and sent copies to Esteban so he can post good quality scans on the Turbo Play Magazine Archives.
I know he's working on a bunch of stuff right now, but hopefully you'll see the update soon. http://archives.tg-16.com/index.htm
Here's King of Monsters 2 http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9161/kingofthemonsters2.jpg
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Post by: nat on November 02, 2011, 01:22:52 PM
It says those KoM 2 shots were taken from the arcade, makes me skeptical about how far along the Duo version actually was. It probably never really even got off the ground.
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Post by: henrycsc on November 02, 2011, 01:59:18 PM
It does say that for "the above photos" but not for the title screen. It would be cool if it was close.
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Post by: T2KFreeker on November 02, 2011, 05:09:19 PM
Why is Neutopia 3 not on this list?
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Post by: KingDrool on December 05, 2011, 06:52:53 AM
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on December 05, 2011, 08:30:34 PM
Neutopia 3 was implied at the end of Neutopia 2.
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Post by: esteban on December 06, 2011, 12:13:49 AM
THERE IS ONLY ONE ACCEPTABLE ANSWER to this question:
Namely, Far East of Eden 2.
All the $$$ and labor that goes into localizing a game like that...
Now, I doubt there was any chance it would have been localized, but I am still crestfallen, even after all these years.
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Post by: turbofan1 on December 06, 2011, 01:41:39 AM
I'm probably in the minority,but Tv Sports Baseball was one of the games I was looking forward to.Since the turbo only had one baseball game to begin with.And also Macross 2036 and Populous.I knew we were never going to get any of the Konami games.And I could of gave two shits about Working Designs doing those Neo Geo ports.And as ParanoiaDragon mentioned,it would of been interesting to see what king of game Rift War Saga was.
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Post by: snickersbar on December 06, 2011, 06:59:20 AM
I voted for bonk IV I think it would of been a great game
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Post by: vestcoat on December 06, 2011, 09:50:09 AM
I don't understand the frustration with titles like this. I have them on my shelf, there's no region lockout, no language barrier, and they're not expensive to import. The real loss are the games that were never released anywhere, then games that require Japanese, then the rest.
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Post by: turbofan1 on December 06, 2011, 06:03:06 PM
I don't understand the frustration with titles like this. I have them on my shelf, there's no region lockout, no language barrier, and they're not expensive to import. The real loss are the games that were never released anywhere, then games that require Japanese, then the rest.
Well I'm thinking back to 1993,not today.Back than you didn`t have ebay and all these resources to find these games.Only way of getting pc engine games,was to buy them through A magazine.And its not like it was cheap back than to imports those games.
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Post by: tg16manaic on December 14, 2011, 03:11:17 PM
I'm probably in the minority,but Tv Sports Baseball was one of the games I was looking forward to.Since the turbo only had one baseball game to begin with.And also Macross 2036 and Populous.I knew we were never going to get any of the Konami games.And I could of gave two shits about Working Designs doing those Neo Geo ports.And as ParanoiaDragon mentioned,it would of been interesting to see what king of game Rift War Saga was.
You're not alone turbofan1, i was also looking forward to TV Sports Baseball. It looked so cool in the club turbo catalog. As a matter of fact, i remember going to the mall and actually seeing it for sale at compucentre here in canada. I remember holding it in my hands, reading the back, but i ended up buying Air Zonk instead. True Story. I know people say it wasn't released, but i totally remember that. It's a memory that sticks out in my head. I remember regretting buying air zonk, and wishing i had bought TV Sports Baseball instead. Believe it or not lol.
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Post by: MotherGunner on December 14, 2011, 04:00:34 PM
I'm probably in the minority,but Tv Sports Baseball was one of the games I was looking forward to.Since the turbo only had one baseball game to begin with.And also Macross 2036 and Populous.I knew we were never going to get any of the Konami games.And I could of gave two shits about Working Designs doing those Neo Geo ports.And as ParanoiaDragon mentioned,it would of been interesting to see what king of game Rift War Saga was.
You're not alone turbofan1, i was also looking forward to TV Sports Baseball. It looked so cool in the club turbo catalog. As a matter of fact, i remember going to the mall and actually seeing it for sale at compucentre here in canada. I remember holding it in my hands, reading the back, but i ended up buying Air Zonk instead. True Story. I know people say it wasn't released, but i totally remember that. It's a memory that sticks out in my head. I remember regretting buying air zonk, and wishing i had bought TV Sports Baseball instead. Believe it or not lol.
LOL what??
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Post by: nat on December 14, 2011, 04:30:45 PM
Chances are you're thinking of either World Class Baseball, or one of the other TV Sports games (Football, Basketball, etc)...
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Post by: Mathius on December 14, 2011, 04:41:27 PM
I believe that you believe. Sometimes our memories can be tricky especially when it is a memory from our youth. For example, when I was 4 or 5 I used to sleep in the downstairs tree room on Christmas eve on an old green 70s style couch. Late one of those nights I was POSITIVE that I saw Santa sneaking in to put presents under the tree. Mind you no one in my family has ever dressed up like Santa for anything. Ever. I still have that memory, and it is still just as baffling as it was then.
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Post by: Retrocool on December 14, 2011, 07:41:13 PM
I'll be honest here... ALL OF THEM i would have loved seen come to the states.....
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Post by: DynamiteSJ on December 14, 2011, 07:47:03 PM
There are a few jp games that get released but has english txt in them and somewhat understandable... do any of these games on this list have english txt in them and just region blocked or fully jap language games?
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Post by: Necromancer on December 15, 2011, 01:31:42 AM
I'm gonna go with 'not'. It's either what nat said or you were high on delicious maple syrup.
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Post by: tg16manaic on December 15, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
lol i had a feeling u guys weren't gonna believe me. It was around 1993 so i was about 15. It was a long time ago, but i remember when i was 15 lol. I saw the game in the club turbo catalog, and i went to the mall specifically to buy TV Sports Baseball. I remember seeing it there, and the price was 79.99. I remember the box being yellow. I was looking at it, i wanted to buy it, but i decided to buy air zonk instead because it was on sale for 24.99. I saw it with my own eyes. It wasn't world class baseball, tv sports hockey, tv sports football or tv sports basketball. I had all those already. Could it be possible that it was released just before the end of turbo grafx, but never sold? If nobody buys a game is it considered unreleased?
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Post by: DynamiteSJ on December 15, 2011, 04:50:17 PM
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Post by: DynamiteSJ on December 15, 2011, 04:50:58 PM
The game was actually rated.. so it must have been completed and available! The first paragraph states its "release". Has to be out there in the wild somewhere!
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Post by: MotherGunner on December 15, 2011, 05:05:36 PM
"Upcoming release" is implied there.
You mentioned yellow, so what you saw was indeed World Class Baseball. =)
(http://www.emuparadise.me/TurboGrafx-16/TG16-PCE/EXTRAS/Turbo Grafx 16 - Boxes/World Class Baseball (U).jpg)
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Post by: tg16manaic on December 15, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
Could it be possible that it was released just before the end of turbo grafx, but never sold?
No. Had it actually been completed and produced for retail sale, TZD would've had 'em for sale like they did with all the other unsold product; it's far far more likely that you're mistaken about the game title or even that the store made a mock-up to get people's interest.
...unless it was a prototype or something for mags to preview/review in advance
That's usually the way it's done, as there's not much point in writing about a game that the reader has already seen in person.
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Post by: Arkhan on December 16, 2011, 02:11:16 AM
Aren't all the sports games yellow...? for the most part.
I bet it was some mockup box to get interest going, like how gamestop does.
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Post by: Windy on December 16, 2011, 02:36:39 AM
I wanted TV Sports Baseball so bad it would have been the first 5 player baseball and from original trailers it looked as though it was going to be the best of the TV Sports series. I don't play to many sports games these days which is what originally got me playing videogames back in the day. I loved NHL Hockey and Super Monaco on the Genny :)
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Post by: fragmare on December 16, 2011, 06:42:02 AM
I can confirm, for sure, that TV Sports Baseball was finished (or at least nearly finished) for the TG-16. I was at the '92 Summer CES in McCormick Place in Chicago. They had TV Sports Baseball running on a Turbo Express at the back of the TTI booth. I played it for about 10 minutes before moving on to other games at the booth. It wasn't in TurboChip form yet (it was still on a green PCB sticking out of the back of the TurboExpress). There were a ton of games I played there that never made it to the states. They had a big Home Run Derby set up near the front of the booth for World Class Baseball '93. Their booth was actually more impressive than Sega's... Though Nintendo's booth really took the cake there.
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Post by: Arkhan on December 16, 2011, 07:30:51 AM
Way to not steal the board, idiot!
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Post by: fragmare on December 16, 2011, 09:56:55 AM
a.) I was 15 at the time. b.) It was locked onto the Turbo Express itself, which was bolted onto the display.
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Post by: nat on December 16, 2011, 01:18:53 PM
It was completed. It was never released, however.
We (TBD) were in contact with a dude that owned one of the prototype PCBs that reviewed the game for a magazine way back in the day. He doesn't have it anymore, unfortunately, but was able to confirm the game was fully complete.
It's not clear why it was never released, but rest assured, it wasn't.
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Post by: MotherGunner on January 08, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Hi guys, I was looking through the "Turbo Gear" mini catalog and a game title caught my eye.
Under the "Family" Section there is a game titled "Discis Reading Series" (CD).
Does anyone know the background behind this game. Was the name changed to something we are familiar with or was it in fact an "announced" game that never made it?
Thanks
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Post by: Necromancer on January 09, 2012, 02:23:29 AM
Under the "Family" Section there is a game titled "Discis Reading Series" (CD).
Does anyone know the background behind this game. Was the name changed to something we are familiar with or was it in fact an "announced" game that never made it?
That one didn't make it. Discis made a bunch of 'learn to read' interactive games for computers, but porting one to the Duo didn't pan out.
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Post by: RegalSin on January 09, 2012, 02:54:00 AM
These are called magazine CD's. During the 1990's their was many of these released alongside magazines, and had a host of graphics, and other interactive media.
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Post by: MotherGunner on January 09, 2012, 03:43:23 AM
So should we add this to the list? Perhaps just falls under other.
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Post by: vestcoat on January 09, 2012, 08:40:18 AM
Hi guys, I was looking through the "Turbo Gear" mini catalog and a game title caught my eye.
Under the "Family" Section there is a game titled "Discis Reading Series" (CD).
Does anyone know the background behind this game. Was the name changed to something we are familiar with or was it in fact an "announced" game that never made it?
Thanks
I posted a list of the announced TG Discis titles back on page two along with a bunch of other games that were never added: http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10321.msg186626#msg186626
It would be nice if the creators of popular threads like this and Wonderboy would incorporate others' feedback.
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Post by: MotherGunner on January 09, 2012, 09:27:41 AM
Hmm, I guess I missed it. Wow Peter Rabbit would have been cool. I'm about to introduce my son to Magical Dinosaur Tour.
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Post by: henrycsc on May 14, 2012, 12:55:02 PM
I found these in some gaming mags
Bonk IV RPG was in the EMG 1993 Video Game Buyer's Guide