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Title: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Bernie on May 31, 2012, 10:43:11 AM
Looks like this guy has some new stuff up for sale.  http://sapphire.anime4ever.de/

Some LaserDisc repros coming soon, and some SFC game. 
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Keranu on May 31, 2012, 11:07:13 AM
Aww for a minute I thought this meant actual replicated laserdisc, instead of transferred to DVD.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 31, 2012, 12:32:59 PM
Yeah right, this guy doesn't even bother to stamp actual CDs anymore.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 31, 2012, 01:32:43 PM
Who programmed Rockman?  Was that something that ended up not being released?  Is it homebrew?  I know nothing about the PCE version, obviously.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Bernie on May 31, 2012, 01:37:13 PM
Who programmed Rockman?  Was that something that ended up not being released?  Is it homebrew?  I know nothing about the PCE version, obviously.
lol...  Where ya been Joe?!  It was Bonknuts project.  This guy had em put on disc.  Caused quite a stir back when it was first done.

Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Sadler on May 31, 2012, 01:38:13 PM
Rockman was done by Tom.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: TheClash603 on May 31, 2012, 02:24:39 PM
Lame.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Tatsujin on May 31, 2012, 02:35:52 PM
on the one side, it's amazing of what this guy is capable to reproduce (production wise). on the other side, it pisses me off that he floods the market with bootlegs of rare games more and more.

he's just a pirate guy, just like all those other pirate guys, which make cash with others properties. the worst part, he still tries to justify his deeds with like, 2nd prints of this and limited anniversary ed. of that etc.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Joe Redifer on May 31, 2012, 02:45:18 PM
Who programmed Rockman?  Was that something that ended up not being released?  Is it homebrew?  I know nothing about the PCE version, obviously.
lol...  Where ya been Joe?!  It was Bonknuts project.  This guy had em put on disc.  Caused quite a stir back when it was first done.



Nope, never paid attention.  Is Bonknuts Tom?  Why not Mega Man 2 instead?
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 31, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
well the DVD copies are pretty cool as they are not boots and there's some cool material on them for sure. So I wouldn't put these in the same category as bootlegs.
The Famicom game he is releasing is lame though, it's just a straight up bootleg I don't know how this is ok and why people accept that.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Tatsujin on May 31, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
yeah the LD to DVD stuff is kinda cool and doesn't hurt much.
also it seems that he used very good equip. to make that media swap.

but still he's making bucks with other properties and I bet my two arms and leg on this, he doesn't own any copyrights.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 31, 2012, 03:41:06 PM
yeah the LD to DVD stuff is kinda cool and doesn't hurt much.
also it seems that he used very good equip. to make that media swap.
Yeah this is the dude that has the page about rgb equipment and all the available scalers so he probably has allt he best stuff to do this kind of project
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Tatsujin on May 31, 2012, 03:43:32 PM
ah yeah, didn't know about otehr biz his doing so far? linkey?
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Frank_fjs on May 31, 2012, 04:17:18 PM
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Tatsujin on May 31, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
ah thx. this however is a pretty cool page.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 31, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
ah thx. this however is a pretty cool page.
yeah definitely  a good way to kill some time at work
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Tatsujin on May 31, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
I wonder now how many other domains & biz he's running?
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Deletion on May 31, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
Deinterlacing, Scaling & Processing - Questions & Answers is his site as well.

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Ji-L87 on May 31, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
Oh, I see Fudoh updated his page and split the top list into three. I bought a scaler from him and he's been very helpful in answering any questions I've had both prior to and after the purchase. On the old list, single list, it was ranked 3rd but now it's a bit all over the place :S

I would very much like to have a Framemeister tho' but it seems it still has problems with PAL and thus can't be my all in one solution.

Still, sort of weird with the repros though, but I believe he will do a good job with those DVD tranfers. I've seen him on some AV forums, discussing Laserdisc recording and comb filters so I think he knows what he's doing.

Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 31, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
well the DVD copies are pretty cool as they are not boots and there's some cool material on them for sure.

Well, they aren't exact copies (since there is no way to manufacturer Laserdiscs anymore) but they are just as illegitimate as his other stuff.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 31, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
well the DVD copies are pretty cool as they are not boots and there's some cool material on them for sure.

Well, they aren't exact copies (since there is no way to manufacturer Laserdiscs anymore) but they are just as illegitimate as his other stuff.
I guess my point was that they can't be mistaken as the original because they aren't the same format and aren't even the same product realy being in a different media. The Famicom game could get sold as original or like his Sapphire which has the whole "second print" bs.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Tatsujin on May 31, 2012, 10:22:21 PM
exactly my thoughts too.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 01, 2012, 01:27:46 AM
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/


LOL so Fudoh is a lying bootlegger!  I find this hilarious for some reason. :)
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 01, 2012, 06:28:06 AM
I find it depressing as hell.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Ji-L87 on June 01, 2012, 07:45:03 AM
It's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde :P
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Tatsujin on June 01, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
it sure is..lol
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: grimm on June 02, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
That Sapphire repro looks apealing to me though, but i hate my economical situation.. Cant even fork up the €50 he wants for it. I couldnt justify the price that game seem to go for. I dont really mind bootlegging officially unsuported systems, if the bootlegs are high quality, and clearly shown as just that, bootlegs. Its a way for regular gamers with less money to spend, to actually play these games.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: TheClash603 on June 02, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
They are not high quality, they are not pressed.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Frank_fjs on June 02, 2012, 08:21:14 PM
The Sapphire's are pressed, the other PC Engine games he has are not. I thought the quality was pretty darn good actually, all the paperwork is there and nicely done.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 02, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
The old Sapphire boots were pressed, then BMW bought him out.  The new ones he lists now are just CDRs.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Vecanti on June 02, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
The out of print games and stuff I don't care if he's charging for the work he's doing (though the price is crazy for CD-Rs if you ask me).

However, selling Tom's beta release of Rockman is SHAMEFUL. I'll never order from this guy. 


You can download Rockman/Megaman here (http://pcedev.wordpress.com/downloads-and-links/) by the way and support him with feedback and encouragement.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: grimm on June 02, 2012, 10:53:48 PM
They are not high quality, they are not pressed.

I was talking overall quality though. Many bootlegs can be glitchy, have graphical errors with colours etc, and sound is often a bit off. Almost like the emulator on a chip type machines out there.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Frank_fjs on June 02, 2012, 10:56:42 PM
I take it this happened very recently? I bought a copy a few months ago and it's pressed.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 05:19:02 AM
The old Sapphire boots were pressed, then BMW bought him out.  The new ones he lists now are just CDRs.

So wait, he's now charging %60 more for a CD-R of something than the pressed version cost?

This is why I seriously think we are talking about two different guys here. Whoever made the orriginal Saphires for 30 euros years ago and the dick thats screwing people now. Maybe Fudoh just bought the guy's stuff, took over the website, and went completely stupid and evil afterwards.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 05:19:44 AM
They are not high quality, they are not pressed.

I was talking overall quality though. Many bootlegs can be glitchy, have graphical errors with colours etc, and sound is often a bit off. Almost like the emulator on a chip type machines out there.


This isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 05:44:38 AM
They are not high quality, they are not pressed.

I was talking overall quality though. Many bootlegs can be glitchy, have graphical errors with colours etc, and sound is often a bit off. Almost like the emulator on a chip type machines out there.


This isn't going to happen.

Pardon?
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 05:56:19 AM
There aren't going to be any issues playing these boots. Its not a VHS tape. The CD-Rs are copies of retail games. If they track properly (up to your Duo there) they'll play perfectly.

EPROMS and CDRs aren't as reliable as mask ROMs and pressed CDs, but aside from those factors there aren't going to be any issues.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 06:10:02 AM
Oh i understand. I have my tiny experience of bootlegs from the neo geo. And you can definetly tell a bad bootleg from the original. Its harder when it comes to a well made bootleg though.. Thanks for the elaboration.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Sadler on June 03, 2012, 07:40:41 AM
The old Sapphire boots were pressed, then BMW bought him out.  The new ones he lists now are just CDRs.


So wait, he's now charging %60 more for a CD-R of something than the pressed version cost?

This is why I seriously think we are talking about two different guys here. Whoever made the orriginal Saphires for 30 euros years ago and the dick thats screwing people now. Maybe Fudoh just bought the guy's stuff, took over the website, and went completely stupid and evil afterwards.


I don't know who started this rumor, but it's 100% false. The new Sapphire's are pressed, just like the old ones. I bought a copy a month or two ago, definitely from the new batch (it has a manual). I explicitly asked him if it was pressed, he said it was. Beyond that, the disc has care4data on it. Here's some pics, including one comparing it to SFZ.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/28a4vtt.jpg)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/345ycgk.jpg)

My shitty cell phone isn't good enough to capture the care4data, but I promise it is there.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 08:01:10 AM
"It has a manual"? All the old ones most certainly had manuals. That's how they pass for fakes on eBay.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Sadler on June 03, 2012, 08:13:50 AM
"It has a manual"? All the old ones most certainly had manuals. That's how they pass for fakes on eBay.

Well, I might be off here, but there were a few waves. Initially, yes, they had manuals. Eventually he ran out of those and started selling the misprints (color on disc was much lighter). That's how I got my first copy last year. It had no manual, just a cover sheet. It did have the spine and art on the back of the case though. Finally he started just selling them loose (which I think is when BMW picked up a spindle of them).

The reason why I bothered buying it again this year is because it had a manual and bootleg or not, I wanted a copy with the manual.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 03, 2012, 02:07:37 PM
So for the 100 something Euros you spent on those two boots, you would have been more then halfway towards a real legit copy of Sapphire.  Over 50 Euros for a boot.  LOL.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Sadler on June 03, 2012, 02:12:54 PM
So for the 100 something Euros you spent on those two boots, you would have been more then halfway towards a real legit copy of Sapphire.  Over 50 Euros for a boot.  LOL.

Interesting way to say "I'm wrong."
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 03, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
?  What you do with your money is your thing.  But no boot/repro should cost over $10 or it's a waste imo.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 02:50:29 PM
Fifty Euros for a boot is pretty ridiculous. I paid $30 (I think) and that's kind of the limit of sanity.

I wouldn't pay anything for the SFZ since I could bang one out at home.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: Frank_fjs on June 03, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
I don't know who started this rumor, but it's 100% false. The new Sapphire's are pressed, just like the old ones.

+1.

They are still pressed, and the latest batch has some minor colour corrections. I coughed up $40 for my copy, including delivery, and am completely happy with the quality of the product. I mean he reproduced everything, the cover, manual, registration card, all the way down to the spine card and having the game on a pressed CD is a nice bonus. This price also included an additional loose CD which was great as I was able to pass this on to a friend.

When I contacted him, he made no attempt to pass it off as a real copy and was quite clear in describing it as a boot.

Blue bought a heap of loose CD's which were misprints (the colour was wrong - also why they were cheaper than usual) but other batches have been made since then, so not sure why everyone just assumes they're now CD-R's.

In any event, spending $40 suited me much more than spending $400 on the real thing, I just wanted to play the game.
Title: Re: JAPANESE LASERDISC REPROS
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 08:47:25 PM
I think people are assuming they are CD-Rs because everything else the guy sells now is. Why are the Sapphires pressed but not the SFZ or Megaman? We had assumed Care4Data had lost the wisdom to press PCE CDs, like so many other facilities.

My guess is that these are still copies left over from the previous batch.