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Title: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Kaijuboy on July 24, 2012, 02:21:13 PM
Im a bit confused and am hearing some conflicting info about chronology, so I thought I'd ask some of the members here as this system is technically the "home" of Ys (originally) as far as Im concerned.

1 & 2 are self explanatory.

3 : Someone mentioned that the SNES version was canon and not the rest.  I never knew there was a difference between the three ports (TG, Gen, SNES).  And what about the "Oath of" psp version? )

4: Did this ever see any English release/port on any platform?

5: ???

6: Ark of Napishtim?  Although I dont think it technically say "Y's 6" anywhere...

7: PSP only release, correct?

Origins:  ???

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: A Question to al the Ys experts...
Post by: tpivette on July 24, 2012, 02:31:28 PM
I would also like some insight on this as I'm only familiar with the first 4 availible for the Turbo/PCE. Anything after that....?
Title: Re: A Question to al the Ys experts...
Post by: Black Tiger on July 24, 2012, 03:22:59 PM
Ys I - IV PCE is one complete story. Other Ys IV and onward games are part of a separate storyline(s), which builds off of misc versions of Ys I - III.

Ys I & II have been remade several times, so they are no more self explanatory than the rest of the series.

Ys III games from bitd share the same in-game story, only names vary. They went and un-Ys'd it as Falcom of today loves to do, so it's up to you which version leads into other games. But it should still be pretty self-contained anyway.
Title: Re: A Question to al the Ys experts...
Post by: Jugbug on July 24, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
3 - All the ports are more or less the same gameplay/plot-wise.  The Oath in Felghana for PC and PSP is a very different remake of this game's plot, made more in the style of Ys 6 and Ys Origin.

4 - This is the one where the SNES version is supposed to be canon.  The SNES and PCE versions are different games, but share characters and some basic plot points.  Neither officially came out in English, but there are translations for both.  Yet a third different version is coming out for the Vita.

5 - There's two versions of this, but they're the same game, one just has increased difficulty.  There's no English translation for this, but one is in the works I think.

6 - 6 is technically 6.  It came out in English for PS2 and PSP, but there's also a PC version with a fan translation available.  I hear the PSP version was a pretty bad port.

7 - Only for the PSP.

Origin - A PC only prequel to 1+2.

As for chronology: Origin, 1, 2, 4, 3/Oath, 5, 6, 7
Title: Re: A Question to al the Ys experts...
Post by: storino03 on July 24, 2012, 04:12:49 PM
Ys IV is going to be released in English on the PS Vita, so that will be the definitive version, as far as, an official English release goes.
Title: Re: A Question to al the Ys experts...
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 24, 2012, 05:41:01 PM
Ys Origin is 700 years before Ys 1 & 2, & leads directly into 1 & 2.  It's more of a dungeon crawler, as it takes place entirely in Darm Tower, which, in this game, is more of a creature of chaos, as every few levels has a different theme, & it's stated in the story that the different levels are constantly changing(ala Castlevania).  It's very fun, & for an Ys game, has quite alot of story.  Plus, there's 3 different characters to play thru as, with their own stories.  There's probably a Vita version in the works, but for now, it's avaiable in english via Steam.

Ys 1 & 2, as stated, millions of versions.  My favorite currently is known as Ys Chronicles, & is on the PSP & PC as such.

Ys 3(takes place after Ys 4), many different versions, but they're all the same, though, I think it's the SNES version that is closer to the original names, places, etc.  In otherwords, Demanicus is not the name of the final boss in the Jp versions of the game, he is known as a Galbalan(which ties heavily into Ys 6).  And I think the country in the Turbo & Genesis versions is called Kenai, but it's actually known as Felghana.

Oath in Felghana is the wonderful remake of Ys 3, expanding on the story, including making Lord Macquire(sp?) a Romun vassle or something, & Felghana some sort of province of the Romun Empire.  In general, the story is now very much connected to the rest of the games as opposed to the original Ys 3, which was totally self contained.  Also the gameplay is heavily reworked to feel more like an Ys game IMO, partially due to it being an overhead view rather then a side scroller, but also the gameplay in general is a smoother.  To me, it play's as smooth as silk, & in general is usually still considered the best Ys released thus far, even though Origin & Seven were released afterwards.  Besides the PSP, you can get it on Steam, though, the PSP has some extra stuff & voice acting.

Ys 4, there's actually 3 versions, with a 4th being released soon for Vita as mentioned.  It seems like Dawn of Ys was cannon originally, with the anime directly based off of it.  The 3rd game mentioned is the PS2 Mask of the Sun: A New Theory.  It was made by Taito, & is very different then the SNES game, & is generally considered utter trash.  I've beaten it....it was ok.....I guess.  The 4th game coming out in a couple months looks to be taking bit's & pieces from Dawn & Mask.  The artwork deffinitly looks more like Dawn, & also there are character's in it(such as Leo) who are only in Dawn.

Ys 5 & Ys 5 Expert.  I really know next to nothing about it, since no english patch has been released for either.  I know it's very short & easy.  I'm certain there will be a remake of it someday, hopefully it will be greatly expanded on.

Ys 6 Ark of Napisthtim.  It actually was called Ys 6 in Japan, but Konami took out the 6, so as to keep people from thinking they need to play the rest of the series to understand it.  Storywise, it has it's closest ties to Ys 2, 3(Oath in Felghana), & 4(due to the Romun Empire & Clan of Darkness references), & mildly to Ys 5 with Terra & her father being in the game from time to time.  It's a great game, but, not as good as Oath or Origin(of which all 3 use the same game engine).

Ys Seven.  Only on PSP, & Chinese PC so far.  For now, it seems like it doesn't connect alot to the rest of the series, but, I have a funny feeling it's going to connect very closely to the upcoming Ys Celceta(the Ys 4 remake for Vita).  Great game, uses a different engine then Ark/Oath/Origin.  There's no jumping/platforming, making it, in some ways closer to the original feel of 1, 2, & 4.  There was a document found that stated Ys Seven was going to be a multi-platform game.  The Chinese PC version is a port by a different company, so, it remains to be seen if that falls under that category, or if there'll eventually be a PS3 version or something.  I personally hope there is another version on PS3 in the works, as long as they keep it old school.

Also, there's Ys Strategy, which is NOT by Falcom.  It was made before Origin was made.  It's a prequal to Ys 1, but, it's just a terrible game(though, with good music).  Most people call it Ys Tragedy. :lol:
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Kaijuboy on July 24, 2012, 08:57:17 PM
I knew I came to the right place to ask this question!   :wink:  :D

So was 5 japanese PC only?

Also, I remember the lengths of the earlier games being fairly short (a good thing in my opinion), did the later entries (4-onward) stay similar in that regard or did they go stupid "100+ of nonstop grinding an backtracking!" that so many RPGs like to brag about?

Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Necromancer on July 25, 2012, 04:14:34 AM
PD pretty much covered the series, but I'll add a few peripherally connected Ys titles that he missed (probably intentionally):

Ys Online - a MMORPGEL5NWV set in the Ys world
Typing of Ys - an unlockable mini game in some Falcom PC title or another; also made available as a standalone download from your friendly neighborhood NightWolve
Ys vs Sora no Kiseki Alternative Saga - a PSP vs. battle game
And a slew of cell phone games: remakes of the first six games, a side quest to Ys I called Adventures of Dogi, Ys Solitaire, Ys Pinball, Ys Fortune (a falling block puzzler), and Ys Hero (looks like VolfieV!).

So was 5 japanese PC only?

Japan only but for the Super Famicom, PS2, and cell phones.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Kaijuboy on July 25, 2012, 06:35:30 AM

So was 5 japanese PC only?

Japan only but for the Super Famicom, PS2, and cell phones.

*runs off to see if a fan-translation patch was made for the SNES*

Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 25, 2012, 08:48:55 AM
PD pretty much covered the series, but I'll add a few peripherally connected Ys titles that he missed (probably intentionally):

Ys Online - a MMORPGEL5NWV set in the Ys world
Typing of Ys - an unlockable mini game in some Falcom PC title or another; also made available as a standalone download from your friendly neighborhood NightWolve
Ys vs Sora no Kiseki Alternative Saga - a PSP vs. battle game
And a slew of cell phone games: remakes of the first six games, a side quest to Ys I called Adventures of Dogi, Ys Solitaire, Ys Pinball, Ys Fortune (a falling block puzzler), and Ys Hero (looks like VolfieV!).

So was 5 japanese PC only?


Japan only but for the Super Famicom, PS2, and cell phones.


You could also mention the for PS2.  That, I believe, only came out in Japan.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: storino03 on July 25, 2012, 09:14:54 AM
What about the Ys 1 and 2 games for the X6800? Was that the first release for the Ys games?
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Necromancer on July 25, 2012, 09:20:05 AM
What about the Ys 1 and 2 games for the X6800? Was that the first release for the Ys games?

No.  It started on PC-88 and was ported to the X68000 years later.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Kaijuboy on July 25, 2012, 09:29:33 AM

Ys 1 & 2, as stated, millions of versions.  My favorite currently is known as Ys Chronicles, & is on the PSP & PC as such.


Interesting. Any particular reason?  Anything added,  changed, etc?  I have the Duo and DS versions.  I know its back to 2D (while the DS has 3D graphics).

Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: storino03 on July 25, 2012, 10:00:22 AM
I'm playing Ys Chronicles on the PSP right now, but haven't played the DS version. In reviews, people find the 3D graphics to be "ugly" and the game too easy.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Black Tiger on July 25, 2012, 10:15:16 AM
Ys for X68k is a fugly remake with terrible "realistic" artwork. Ys III X68k is the most advanced version for in-game stuff (other than the music) among the original versions. Seems pretty consistant with other computer versions as far as story/content goes.

I haven't played the PS2 Ys III in years, but I believe than the scrolling sections have scrolling removed altogether, yet some of the bosses have scrolling screens.

Ys I & II Eternal/Complete/Chronicles/etc has some major layout changes to the non-dungeon sectiobs, including part of the field area basically becoming a dungeon. I prefer the PCE versions for gameplay, aesthetics, etc, but it's nice to have alternate versions of games like this.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 25, 2012, 03:33:20 PM
Yeah, Ys 3 on PS2, from what I recall, has alot of the scrolling removed, so that it's more comprised of rooms, like Zelda I guess, rather the huge rooms that scroll.  I do recall some area's having scrolling, but like BT said, it might be just the bosses.  Overall though, it's fairly decent, & the best of Taito's Ys efforts I think.

Also, I totally forgot about the PS2 Ys 5.  I have it, but haven't beaten it yet.  It's supposed to be a much better effort then the PS2 Ys 4.  I have no idea how closely the plot follows the SNES game.  I didn't know about Ys 5 on cell phones though, I assume it's a direct port of the SNES game? 

Also, there is a disc I have, that I think came with Ys 6 PC (or maybe it was Ys Complete?), that has 1-5 emulated on it for PC.  I forget which versions 1-3 are(PC-88 perhaps?), but 4 is the SNES MotS, & 5 is ofcoarse the SNES game(though, I don't recall if it's the original, or expert).

Oh, & I just got Ys vs Sora no Kiseki Alternative Saga off ebay for dirt cheap.  Mainly got it, cuz I'm assuming that if it ever get's released in the US, it'll probably be digital only, & I like to have the complete package.  It actually contains spoilers to the 2nd & 3rd Trails in the Sky games(which haven't been released yet), so it could be awhile if it ever see's a release out here.  Anyways, it seems cool.  I believe some call it an Action RPG, but....I'd deffinitly say it is indeed a battle/fighting type of game, with exp. points & alot of story.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: storino03 on July 25, 2012, 05:09:25 PM
Ys Ark of Napishtim (Ys 6) was a pretty good game. I remember buying it on the PS2 and enjoyed it. There's a glitch so that you can level to the max--I think it was Lv 50.

It was also ported to the PSP, but there is horrendous loading issues, so generally the PS2 version is definitive.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 25, 2012, 07:40:35 PM
If Konami would prepare Ys 6 PSP for PSN, I'd guess that the loading issue's would be almost non-existent.  I want to play that version someday, but, haven't bothered.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: NightWolve on July 26, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Jesus, ParanoiaDragon knows his Ys games! Shit, not much anyone else can add... Ah, even a friendly mention of "Ys Typing Tutor (http://www.ysutopia.net/projects/ystt/)" (AKA "Typing of Ys") found its way in here I see! Heh. Yeah, that was an unlock-able minigame from a weird, cutesy PC game called Zwei! - I actually tried to fan-translate it but I could never get a translator that could finish the job so I stopped caring.

*runs off to see if a fan-translation patch was made for the SNES*


http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=ys5

There's your info on the Ys V patch - 80%. Keep waiting! ;)
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Kaijuboy on July 26, 2012, 10:05:25 PM
*runs off to see if a fan-translation patch was made for the SNES*


http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=ys5

There's your info on the Ys V patch - 80%. Keep waiting! ;)


Curses!  #-o  Well, its good thing its at least being worked on.  :D
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Kaijuboy on July 26, 2012, 10:09:32 PM
6 - 6 is technically 6.  It came out in English for PS2 and PSP, but there's also a PC version with a fan translation available.  I hear the PSP version was a pretty bad port.

The PSP version isnt exactly *bad*, but its loading times are severely broken and make the game very frustrating (in towns in particular).

Strangely though, I think 6 looks better on the PSP, as the PS2 version just seems like they just blew up the PSP graphics to a bigger screen, which doesnt always look so hot...

Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: storino03 on July 26, 2012, 10:41:38 PM
 Because the pixels are closer together. The PS2 one came out in Feb 22 of 2005 (US) and the PSP one came out in Feb 28 of 2006 (US).

I doubt it was based off the PSP and then ported to the PS2.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Bernie on July 27, 2012, 01:42:49 AM
I had no idea Ys III was released for PS2!  Was it released here in the states?
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: geise on July 27, 2012, 03:25:31 AM
ps2 Ys III was released by Taito and is japan only.  It's not a bad game and has a couple extra gameplay elements with Adol.  There is no scrolling in it cause you move from one side of the screen to the next, then it loads the next screen.  I liked it, but once Felghana came out I forgot all about it.  If you're an Ys nut like me or (obviously) ParanoiaDragon hehe you'll at least want to play through it once.  Way better than the PS2 Ys 4.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: Kaijuboy on July 27, 2012, 04:40:58 PM
Because the pixels are closer together. The PS2 one came out in Feb 22 of 2005 (US) and the PSP one came out in Feb 28 of 2006 (US).

I doubt it was based off the PSP and then ported to the PS2.

But the Asian releases of the PSP/PS2 came out almost at the same time. So I'm sure there must have been some shared assets... or the PS2 is just blurry and ugly either way...  :lol:


Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: storino03 on July 27, 2012, 05:19:33 PM
I don't remember much from that particular game. I did like the music though.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 27, 2012, 06:30:58 PM
The bummer with the PS2 version, is that Konami replace all the sprites(all characters & enemies were sprites) with poly's.  They retained the sprites in the PSP version however, giving me 1 reason to play thru it one of these days.  Also, both the PS2 & PSP versions have different extra's in them.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: NightWolve on July 28, 2012, 05:53:39 AM
The bummer with the Ys VI PS2 version, is that Konami replaced all the sprites (all characters & enemies were sprites) with poly's.  They retained the sprites in the PSP version however, giving me 1 reason to play thru it one of these days.  Also, both the PS2 & PSP versions have different extra's in them.

I bought it right when it came out at the $39.99 price tag just to support one of my favorite publishers (Konami) and series regardless of when I would sit down and get to play it. When I finally did, eh, I enjoyed it well enough. I was surprised by the crappy graphics, but it didn't bother me all that much, though I used to think that the PS2 was pretty powerful until this game; getting to compare it to the PC version opened my eyes. Heh.

Anyway, the real bummer for me was the raw, dry/dull script translation (Plus, eh, I think the font Konami chose was pretty shitty and the text wrapping wasn't consistent). I got the impression a purist like Shimarisu translated it, someone that despises Victor Ireland/Working Designs and demands a very literal translation in response to it. I know she did professional translation work for Nintendo in the past (I think it was a GameBoy game), so she wasn't limited to Ys fan translations with me way back. My "Ys IV:Dawn of Ys" patch is mostly her translation work unfortunately.
Title: Re: A Question to all the Ys experts...
Post by: SuperDeadite on July 28, 2012, 07:45:11 AM
X68k YsI was made by Micomsoft, Falcom had nothing to do with it.  It's weird as hell with the digitized portraits, prerendered CG boss sprites, and the world map is even smaller.

X68k YsIII is the best version of the game imo.  The music naturally can't compete with TurbobCD, but it's still wonderful sounding FM at it's best.

Ys VI was called VI in Japan.  Konami dropped the VI for the USA releases.