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Title: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: turboswimbz on October 23, 2012, 11:18:03 AM
so i have never been much into the 2-D shooters. I have tried to really get into them, but idk I never seem to find one I love, I like many of them, and even cleared a few, air zonk, fantasy zone, deep blue. Yeah i know I'm not a huge fan yet I dodged my way through deep blue, silly right?. anyway, recently got SSS and so far I do actually love it, I can't get past stage 3 yet, but I figure that's due to my lack of shmup skills thus far. So I was wonder from some of the fans out there, what is your favorite part of the 2-D shooters, and what game got you hooked, how did you find out about that game? What games do you feel offer the best experience? (also i don't see why we can't talk about PCE shooters as well, since they will be bound to come up, and there is no sense in starting two separate threads)
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 23, 2012, 11:27:35 AM
I got into shmups in a major way a few years ago after not really thinking about them much previously. What inspired it, beyond my love of the Turbo consoles, was meeting some people who were REALLY into them and REALLY f*cking good at them. Most of them hang out at the shmups.com forums.
They showed me Cave games like Mushihimesama, Espgaluda, and DoDonPachi. I became mesmerized by the bullet patterns, and was amazed by how skillful they were at these games. So I began snatching up the imports on Saturn and PS2 and investing a lot of time (and money) into them. I'm still not great at them, but I can at least clear handfuls of levels without continuing.
Anyway, this made me go back and have more appreciation for the Turbo/PC Engine shmups. I always loved Gate and Lords of Thunder, but I really dug deeply into the rest of the catalog.
As far as my favorites, I already mentioned Cave, but I'll also buy anything by Treasure (Radiant Silvergun, Gradius V, and Ikaruga). For Turbo-specific games, Gate and Lords of Thunder are still my favorites. I'll never forget the first time I plugged in my brand new Turbo Duo and booted up Gate of Thunder. Mind blown.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: galam on October 23, 2012, 11:51:33 AM
... I'll never forget the first time I plugged in my brand new Turbo Duo and booted up Gate of Thunder. Mind blown.
Ditto. I never quite got into Lords, but I'm also not great at shmups, so maybe that's why. Anyway, lately I've been collecting NES shmups and having a ball with them. Some are great and some are downright terrible. For some reason, my opinion on specific games seem to differ from most. For instance, I can't stand aero blasters or dead moon and others love them. I am a huge gate fan, blazing lasers, galaga, sidearms, and sinistron for TG. For NES... gyruss, guardian legend, stinger, and gradius have caught my fancy. Finally, I would say Radient Silvergun is quite possibly the best shooter I have ever played. The music is majestic.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Sadler on October 23, 2012, 11:58:30 AM
I love Lords of Thunder! I think the music and settings are better than Gate. Entering a boss battle and hearing the initial ROAR! of the boss is just awesome! Also, I suck at shooters and have actually beat Lords, which is more than I can say for Gate.
Like you said, the Soldier series is awesome. I still think SSS > SB > FS, but the margin between SSS and SB is incredibly thin.
Other shooters? Check out the Download games, I love the cyber punk theme to them. Sapphire is cool too, but it's more cool from a "holy shit, the PCE can do this?!" angle than from a gameplay standpoint. That's not to say Sapphire is weak in gameplay, I just think other games do a better job.
EDIT: Yeah, Sinistron is really cool and I don't think it gets near enough credit. Sidearms and Forgotten Worlds have yet to grab me, I just can't get into the mechanics.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 23, 2012, 11:58:53 AM
Finally, I would say Radient Silvergun is quite possibly the best shooter I have ever played. The music is majestic.
One of my all-time favorite games. Bliss.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SignOfZeta on October 23, 2012, 12:30:08 PM
I've found that when you stop using the term "shmup" they become a lot more apealing.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: turboswimbz on October 23, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
I don't use the term actually, I just like calling them shooters, my brother just calls them those "old" ones
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: PunkicCyborg on October 23, 2012, 01:03:37 PM
shooters! that's why we all like PCE, right? I horizontal shooters because they are memorization based and I like setting small goals. I get the same kind of satisfaction when I clear a good shooter as when I solve a hard puzzle or finish a small but satisfying project. I also like them because I don't have a lot of time in one sitting to play games so they are perfect. For PCE I like almost all the shooters. Even the bad ones i can still get some kind of enjoyment over conquering them and their flaws. I especially like Download, W-ring, the soldiers, Rayxanber II and all the cute em ups are great too.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 23, 2012, 01:09:42 PM
I've found that when you stop using the term "shmup" they become a lot more apealing.
:roll: Whatever...
If anything, it helps differentiate them from what all the young whippersnappers refer to as shooters these days (FPS), without having to say "2D shooters".
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: galam on October 23, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
... Also, I suck at shooters and have actually beat Lords, which is more than I can say for Gate.
Really? What the hell is wrong with me then? I have tried all of the levels that you can select from, and I am yet to even see a boss. I must not be "getting it" somewhere along the line.
What about genesis? I haven't played any shooters on the genny that I remember standing out. I have a few for sega cd, but what about carts? Any recommendations?
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: futureman2000 on October 23, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
I was not a big fan of the genre until I played Batsugun on the Saturn. It's really short, but the art and music really got me hooked. It was my gateway shooter.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Sadler on October 23, 2012, 02:02:02 PM
... Also, I suck at shooters and have actually beat Lords, which is more than I can say for Gate.
Really? What the hell is wrong with me then? I have tried all of the levels that you can select from, and I am yet to even see a boss. I must not be "getting it" somewhere along the line.
Stick with one level, don't keep swapping between them. Honestly doing them "in order" (around the ring) I think works well. Other than that, it's pretty standard shooter. Keep your weapon powered up (at least level 2) and you'll do fine. I prefer Earth and Wind, pretty much for everything.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: galam on October 23, 2012, 02:14:17 PM
... Also, I suck at shooters and have actually beat Lords, which is more than I can say for Gate.
Really? What the hell is wrong with me then? I have tried all of the levels that you can select from, and I am yet to even see a boss. I must not be "getting it" somewhere along the line.
Stick with one level, don't keep swapping between them. Honestly doing them "in order" (around the ring) I think works well. Other than that, it's pretty standard shooter. Keep your weapon powered up (at least level 2) and you'll do fine. I prefer Earth and Wind, pretty much for everything.
Thanks, I'll give it another go sometime. It was my first VC purchase a while back when I didnt want to spring for the disc.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 23, 2012, 02:32:38 PM
I was not a big fan of the genre until I played Batsugun on the Saturn. It's really short, but the art and music really got me hooked. It was my gateway shooter.
Batsugun kicks ass! Was obsessed with that one for several months.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Drakon on October 23, 2012, 03:04:48 PM
Batsugun special is the best. I've played a batsugun special arcade board (unfinished beta version but it's playable). I'm also big on certain cave shmups, ketsui, mushihimesama, espgaluda.
I also think gate of thunderforce is an amazing somewhat hacked game (I prefer the music over the original gate of thunder)
The first shmup I ever got into was the first raiden in the arcades. Now I think the game is total garbage but back in 1990 it was such an awesome concept to me. Some years later I played raptor on the pc and again I was totally sucked in, but now I think it's a terrible game. My personal favourite shmup of all time is ketsui, I'm okay at ketsui but definitely far from the greatest ketsui player ever. I discovered ketsui at a shmupmeet, some dude owned the board (years before it came out on xbox 360). I played ketsui and instantly I was hooked on the game. I like how ketsui requires a lot of memorization therefore the more you play it the better you get at it (very rewarding for time put in).
Anyone who's interested in ketsui here's a 1cc recording I made:
Other shmups I think rock are....
megadrive: thunderforce 4 verytex V-V / V-five
famicom:
crisis force recca (even though I can't get anywhere in this game)
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: tpivette on October 23, 2012, 03:08:04 PM
Sapphire for sure, just for the visual experience. Blazing Lazers... my second Turbo game ever (1989), and just an awesome introduction to not only shooters, but to the TG16 as well (Keith Courage doesnt really count). Gate and Lords of Thunder... badass graphics/music/gameplay, really shows off the SCD potential.
While I have yet to experience the Soldier series, I definitely want to play these soon. Probably be the PCE versions as the US ones are kind of costly. They seem to resemble Blazing Lazers alot, so I'm sure I'll love them
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: rag-time4 on October 23, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
so i have never been much into the 2-D shooters. I have tried to really get into them, but idk I never seem to find one I love, I like many of them, and even cleared a few, air zonk, fantasy zone, deep blue. Yeah i know I'm not a huge fan yet I dodged my way through deep blue, silly right?. anyway, recently got SSS and so far I do actually love it, I can't get past stage 3 yet, but I figure that's due to my lack of shmup skills thus far. So I was wonder from some of the fans out there, what is your favorite part of the 2-D shooters, and what game got you hooked, how did you find out about that game? What games do you feel offer the best experience? (also i don't see why we can't talk about PCE shooters as well, since they will be bound to come up, and there is no sense in starting two separate threads)
I think that good music is very important to a good shooter... I think it was playing a couple stages in blazing lazers (5 desert and 8 bubble) at high volumes really got me hooked on the genre. Lords and Gate of Thunder have obvious aesthetic appeal, but the one shooter that really won me over with its gameplay is Image Fight..
Image Fight is a pretty tough game, but the control you get with the red pods really gives you an immersive feeling once you get into it. The rigid weapons in other shooters are extremely boring by comparison.
By the way, have you tried the flame weapon in SSS? Give it a couple tries now and then... be creative with how you fly as the flame sweeps back and forth. It's a unique experience! The flame can be very effective if you complement the movement of the flame with appropriate movement of your ship, staying in constant motion.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Otaking on October 24, 2012, 12:05:15 AM
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Tatsujin on October 24, 2012, 12:41:38 AM
I got into shooting games right after I got into video games back in maybe 1980 or 81. and ever since then this genre is my favorit of all genres out there.
that also got me into pce'ing in the frist place. that also encouraged me to get all the shewties available on the system :)
"she" sure is the queen (king) of all 8/16-bit shewties :)
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: majors on October 24, 2012, 01:30:26 AM
So I was wonder from some of the fans out there, what is your favorite part of the 2-D shooters, and what game got you hooked, how did you find out about that game?
I remember playing Super Cobra in the arcade and loving it in my youth(thank you Galloping!). It's on my want list for "classsic" cabs but Stern hardware, I've heard, is finicky. Then I remember R-type and Side Arms...good thing I could get them both on TG! Raiden was hot shit in the day, but it's only when I played Viper Phase 1 (followed by Raiden Fighters series -same hardware) when I really appeciated Raiden. Saturn took care of my arcade ports with Dairus, Metal Black, Sexy Parodius, etc. Of course Cave entered my vocabulary soon after with Ikaruga and Mushi("Bug Bitch").
What about genesis? I haven't played any shooters on the genny that I remember standing out.
Musha is the easy answer on that, but prices are getting silly. Others worth mentioning: Lightening Force(TF4), Steel Empire, Thunder Force III, Trouble Shooter and Wings of Wor. I own all those, so I can feel good about recommending them. Turbo is still my go-to console for my shooters though.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 24, 2012, 01:57:15 AM
Shooters are the same as every other genre really. 80% of them suck. It's not about "learning to enjoy shooters." So much as it is just finding a shooter you actually like. If you are forcing yourself to play a game in the hopes of "getting it", you are playing the wrong game.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: geise on October 24, 2012, 02:16:40 AM
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: PunkicCyborg on October 24, 2012, 02:28:56 AM
I've tried newer shooters on multiple occasions but always go back to older stuff. I guess I don't get it either.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Otaking on October 24, 2012, 02:36:03 AM
Well if you like firework displays burnt into your retinas, epileptic fits and induced seizures maybe give some Touhou games a spin.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 24, 2012, 02:51:02 AM
I don't find Cave's offerings to be a lot of fun in long term situations. But the non-stop barrage of bullets is quite the adrenline rush in small bursts. Meaning, as an actual arcade experience, it can be very awesome. But their scoring systems are rather stupid and should be forgotten by 99% of players.
Radiant Silvergun is the ultimate overblown shooter imo. Beyond graphics, style, and I suppose music, there is nothing good about that game. People defend it to the death, but damn the gameplay is just horrid.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 24, 2012, 03:08:54 AM
Radiant Silvergun is the ultimate overblown shooter imo. Beyond graphics, style, and I suppose music, there is nothing good about that game. People defend it to the death, but damn the gameplay is just horrid.
Please elaborate.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Arkhan on October 24, 2012, 03:16:23 AM
SHUMP SHUMP SHUMP.
I like Gall Force for FDS or MSX Steam Hearts for PCE/Saturn Gulkave for MSX/stuff Wings of Wor is cool Phelios was fun although gimpy in comparison to the arcade You also can't go wrong with Sol Feace on Sega CD Tiger Heli for NES
man, Tiger Heli
oh, and Gun.Smoke
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 24, 2012, 03:36:21 AM
Radiant Silvergun is the ultimate overblown shooter imo. Beyond graphics, style, and I suppose music, there is nothing good about that game. People defend it to the death, but damn the gameplay is just horrid.
Please elaborate.
Ugh, do I really have to do this again? Oh well, in order to play RSG properly, you have to correctly chain the entire game. If you don't chain, you will be far too weak, and the boss fights will go on for 20 mins or more each. Meaning, to be good at RSG, you have to already be good at RSG. IE, gameplay is shit. Memorize every single enemy pattern or you are boned. I can't imagine how anyone can find that enjoyable.
To make up for the garbage gameplay, the Saturn version allows you to save your levels and begin the game at the max powerup level. So in other words, play long enough and you don't have to care anymore. Not to mention it makes the first half of the game pointless. No matter how you play it, it's broken.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 24, 2012, 03:52:40 AM
Sorry, I don't recall ever reading your opinion on Radiant Silvergun before. Please send me a link to "The Compendium of SuperDeadite's Opinions on Everything" and I'll peruse it before I ask you a question next time. ;)
But I can see why that gameplay style isn't for everyone. A friend of mine refers to it as a "puzzle shooter" and I agree. But calling the gameplay "shit" is a bit much, IMO. It's just a different style of shooter. It's really unique, it challenges my brain, and I love it for that.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: bartre on October 24, 2012, 04:00:11 AM
Radiant Silvergun is the ultimate overblown shooter imo. Beyond graphics, style, and I suppose music, there is nothing good about that game. People defend it to the death, but damn the gameplay is just horrid.
Please elaborate.
Ugh, do I really have to do this again? Oh well, in order to play RSG properly, you have to correctly chain the entire game. If you don't chain, you will be far too weak, and the boss fights will go on for 20 mins or more each. Meaning, to be good at RSG, you have to already be good at RSG. IE, gameplay is shit. Memorize every single enemy pattern or you are boned. I can't imagine how anyone can find that enjoyable.
To make up for the garbage gameplay, the Saturn version allows you to save your levels and begin the game at the max powerup level. So in other words, play long enough and you don't have to care anymore. Not to mention it makes the first half of the game pointless. No matter how you play it, it's broken.
agreed, i totally agree here, RSG is way overblown. I like Radilgy, though i haven't spent too much time with it yet.
my fave shmup though still probably goes to Sokyugurentai, love it.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Arkhan on October 24, 2012, 04:02:43 AM
alot of these new shooters are dumb.
I have Otomedius and it f*cking annoys me how gimpy the game plays.
You don't get pixel perfect excitement. You get slippery 3D bullshit with particle effects, so your mileage always varies. It's lame.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 24, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
f*ck yes, Otomedius was TERRIBLE! I hate the shit out of that game.
As for Cave shooters, if you're not into the whole bullet hell thing, the Deathsmiles games are pretty cool. And yeah, Soukyugurentai is bad ass.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 24, 2012, 04:21:36 AM
Sorry, I don't recall ever reading your opinion on Radiant Silvergun before. Please send me a link to "The Compendium of SuperDeadite's Opinions on Everything" and I'll peruse it before I ask you a question next time. ;)
"It's just a different style of shooter."
1. You clearly need to hang out in chat more. 2. I've heard that so many times. I've owned the game for over 10 years, every year or so I pull it out hoping for something to change, but it still just isn't any fun to play. I really don't consider memorization to be a puzzle, if anything it's a dancing game. And I like to actually shoot stuff. This is the direct opposite of RSG, where often you need to let enemies run off the screen, cause shooting the wrong ones screws you over.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 24, 2012, 04:23:42 AM
Different strokes, my friend.
(there is no chat).
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 24, 2012, 04:26:56 AM
? There is a chat, and most of use are there every day. :) Join us!
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: KingDrool on October 24, 2012, 04:28:24 AM
Where? Over on Paul's site?
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 24, 2012, 05:03:27 AM
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Post by: Obfuscate on October 24, 2012, 05:13:02 AM
The Games that Hooked me on Shooters were:
Gate of Thunder (I got the Duo the Christmas it came out and the game blew me away) Soldier Blade (After having Gate of Thunder I bought Soldier Blade and liked that even more)
Other Turbo/PCE Shooters everyone should own:
Nexzr, Macross 2036, Lords of Thunder, Cotton, Rayxanber 2 and Spriggan.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Arkhan on October 24, 2012, 06:13:28 AM
I stopped going to the chat for awhile because every time I go its just 68k rambling. Boring as hell.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: SuperDeadite on October 24, 2012, 06:22:25 AM
I stopped going to the chat for awhile because every time I go its just 68k rambling. Boring as hell.
Get one, join the party. Then it's fun. :)
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Arkhan on October 24, 2012, 06:50:59 AM
Not really. I don't see the point of getting a 68k so I can talk to the other 2 owners of one about it, lol.
Plus, I had one before. and an FM Downs. Sold that shit because MSX and Turbob = betterbob
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Aggie Tsubi on October 24, 2012, 07:27:34 AM
I'm not big on bullet hell shooters, so that'd probably make me an outcast in most shmup communities these days. Even though it's no shining example of the genre, I'd even take Otomedius over the average bullet hell if only because it plays more like classic shooters. I actually like having stage design to interact with, so when you got a bullet hell shooter with completely empty screens save for the enemies and bullets, I find it boring. They seem to revel in their cheapness too, while I prefer shooters that are challenging but not being intentionally unfair.
Anyway, the TwinBee games were the first shmups I really got addicted to. It's still my favorite shmup series. Pop'n TwinBee on Super Famicom is probably my favorite, but I love the PC Engine version of Detana! TwinBee as well, even more than the arcade original since the port is more balanced. My favorite shmup period is probably Dragon Spirit, but I'm actually not that big on the arcade or TG-16 versions. Even though it's a downgrade in graphics, the NES version is faster and tighter. As you can tell, I really like shmups with two planes of combat, shooting enemies in the sky and bombing enemies on land. As for horizontal shmups, I'd probably have to go with Gate of Thunder as my fave.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Drakon on October 24, 2012, 03:48:16 PM
Radian silvergun is confusing for sure. I also don't find radiant silvergun to be a very fun experience. But I do like watching superplays of radiant silvergun!
*edit* oh man I forgot to mention spriggan that game rules! Especially on the pc engine cd.
Radiant Silvergun is the ultimate overblown shooter imo. Beyond graphics, style, and I suppose music, there is nothing good about that game. People defend it to the death, but damn the gameplay is just horrid.
Please elaborate.
Ugh, do I really have to do this again? Oh well, in order to play RSG properly, you have to correctly chain the entire game. If you don't chain, you will be far too weak, and the boss fights will go on for 20 mins or more each. Meaning, to be good at RSG, you have to already be good at RSG. IE, gameplay is shit. Memorize every single enemy pattern or you are boned. I can't imagine how anyone can find that enjoyable.
To make up for the garbage gameplay, the Saturn version allows you to save your levels and begin the game at the max powerup level. So in other words, play long enough and you don't have to care anymore. Not to mention it makes the first half of the game pointless. No matter how you play it, it's broken.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: HercTNT on October 24, 2012, 04:32:29 PM
Aggie, i have never heard the term "bullet hell shooter" before. Its so true though, i don't know how anyone can find that frenetic action enjoyable. to each his own. I love 2d shumps, not really a huge fan of 3d ones. There are a few good ones, terminal velocity for dos comes to mind. Overall though i find the 2d ones much more enjoyable. For dos tyrian 2000 is the creme de la creme for me. Turbo just has so many its unreal. Turbo = shooter heaven for me. Drakon, agreed on spriggan, just an amazing game.
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Post by: Tatsujin on October 24, 2012, 07:17:32 PM
In earlier times, they were also called bullet-sprayer. I very much enjoyed the early times of these shooters. I believe batsugun was a very early type of this spec. genre. which then was continued by cave peeps after toaplan closed its doors.
Donpachi is probably still my fav. one, and it was also caves debut in that genre.
After that, this serie and all its mutant versions became more and more weird. But i would say, that until late 90s the games were still much fun to play.
Also handraw graphx was more and more replaced by ugly prerender shit.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: fragmare on October 24, 2012, 10:23:31 PM
Verts ----- I'd probably say my favorite all-time shmup has still got to be Dangun Feveron. I'm no Cave fanboy, by any means, but that game in particular is just gold. It plays like one really long time-attack level, minus the time limit. No gimmicks, just blow shit up as fast as possible and collect as many medals (discomen) as you can along the way.
Then I'd have to say Raiden II/DX... because sometimes, I'm masochistic, and like to be slowly and excruciatingly ground into dust by sniper bullets and slow-scrolling backgrounds. :p
Horis ----- I have always had a general dislike of the Darius games, but the one exception to that, Darius Gaiden, is probably my favorite all-time hori.
After that, it gets a little muddy. It's a bit of a toss between various arcade and console shooters like R-Type, Thunderforce III/IV, Gate of Thunder, Aldynes, Gradius II, etc.
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Post by: SamIAm on October 25, 2012, 01:30:52 AM
I've 1CC'd Radiant Silvergun in both arcade modes and almost in the Saturn mode.
If you can chain 3A, 3B, and 3C properly and beat those three bosses 100%, you'll already be strong enough at that moment to beat any boss in the game quickly enough, including the final boss. If you don't go out of your way to chain at any point but beat every boss 100% through the whole game, you'll be just fine. That goes for both gameplay modes. RS doesn't demand perfection to play it, it just demands that you don't completely suck.
Anyway, Soldier Blade is probably the most fun I've had with a PCE shooter. The pacing is just perfect. Aldynes on the Super Grafx is right behind it.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Tatsujin on October 25, 2012, 02:04:30 AM
wingleader to base, wingleader to base.
just a couple more shots.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Arkhan on October 25, 2012, 03:56:09 AM
shump shump shump!
SHUMP SHUMP SHUMP!
SHUMP YO GROOVETHANG
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Post by: Nec.Game.head on November 06, 2012, 03:38:39 AM
LORDS OF THUNDER LORDS OF THUNDER LORDS OF THUNDER !!! That's the the one game that pisses me off the most from the shooters Ive played for the Duo so far .. But I absolutely love that game !!! The music on that game is just straight kick ass ... And I also just love how whatever element you choose to pick will really determine how easily you will beat each level once the element's power is maxed out ...
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Post by: turbokon on November 06, 2012, 05:06:58 AM
Lords of thunder and sapphire are the only shooter I have beated on the turbo.
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Post by: esteban on November 06, 2012, 07:49:23 AM
I love old-skool shoot-em-ups. 8-bit/16-bit are the peak, for me (eventually I'll get around to playing modern stuff, by which I refer to last 15 years of stuff).
I don't need an exceptional game. I just am simply a whore for the genre and will play any game, no matter how mediocre.
ROCK ON, for example, has provided me with entertainment. It's not total crap.
I suppose the reason why I am willing to play (and enjoy) the mediocre shoot-em-ups is because I've played all the great stuff and I want more...BUT, I'm not willing to invest much time/money/energy into the bullet-hell stuff (yet). I'll eventually get into the more modern shooters, but I'm happy playing the old-skool stuff, for now.
I also do not have much free time to play games these past few years, which has allowed me to fully immerse myself in old-skool shoot-em-ups without getting bored (I still have a lot I barely/never played!) and guilt-free (I used to worry about the bullet-hell games I was missing...now, I don't care. I trust I'll eventually play 'em). http://junk.tg-16.com/audio/Monster_Maker/Track_10.mp3
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Nec.Game.head on November 07, 2012, 02:52:06 AM
Well put esteban .. I'm more into the old school games because as time moves on forward those are the games that will become harder to find for a decent price .. And can eventually become too expensive to justify buying them just to own them and try them out on their original console .. Plus I'm an old school kind of guy. Tg16 and all the other retro consoles are from my childhood which is just too cool .. The way I see it, I got plenty of time to catch up with the modern style of gaming that I'm missing out on right now in the present .. Hell who am I kidding ?? I may just always stay in the 90's for all the awesome shooters, fighters and platformers .. Gotta master the basics before I move on to the move advanced shooters ..
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: rrob78 on November 09, 2012, 06:11:27 AM
Ive always loved shooters, but I'm terrible at them, but still fun to play.
Title: Re: 2-D shooters SHMUPS
Post by: Firebomber7 on November 09, 2012, 01:28:31 PM
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...what is your favorite part of the 2-D shooters?
Blowing things up, and the slightly feeling of satisfaction I get when I do so.
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...and what game got you hooked?
River Raid. Then Life Force got me more hooked. Then G Darius got my even more hooked. Parodius made me feel funny inside. Then DoDonPachi put me over the edge.
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how did you find out about that game?
River Raid- everyone had it back then. When I went to my friend's house about a block away when I was a kid to watch Saturday morning cartoons like Robotech, G.I. Joe, Pee-Wee's Playhouse and Gummi Bears, we used to play his Atari 2600 when the good shows weren't on. River Raid was my favourite game on the system.
Life Force- One of my other friends had this back in the day. I loved it. I probably rented it every couple of months for a two year period before I finally got a used copy.
R-Type- the local blowing alley had the arcade version of this. I don't think I ever made it past level 3 on the few quarters I had to spend as a 10 year old, but I had a lot of fun trying! (Saint Dragon was right next to it, and I used to like that one as well. I was pretty darn happy when I realized this was on the PC Engine)
G Darius- the first game I ripped, after Toukon Retsuden 2, when I got my PS1 modded back in about 1997 or 1998. It blew me away.
Parodius Da!- played this on an SNES emulator in 1997 or 1998 or around there. Pure heaven for me.
DoDonPachi- got a boot of it for my white Saturn back in 2000. Pure joy.