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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Bernie on November 26, 2012, 12:49:47 PM
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This guy here http://myworld.ebay.com/misfit-toys-and-games/&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2754 . I have bought from his store, three times, and two of those times items were not as described. First one was a sealed Magical Dino Tour for the TG16. Item had been water damaged, box was in bad condition and the manual was water damaged. Had trouble getting a partial refund, but he finally agreed to it. Of course I was punished by him not leaving feedback. Moving on, I bought a Sega setup couple weeks ago. It was a model 1 unit, that was described as complete and working with games. Once I got it, its bad news from the getgo.
1. The consoles were filthy, and I do mean filthy.. Not dusty, not a little dirty, but nasty filthy. I had to take the Genny apart to clean it properly, and get all the dirt, grime, and animal hair out of it.
2. One of the CD games were missing from its case. I guess he didnt bother to see if it was actually in there. I dunno
3. The final straw, the CD unit came with a TG16 power supply, so it will not work. Since it was listed as working, Im not sure if he actually tested it and shipped the wrong power brick, or if he lied. Not sure, but either way a big letdown for me.
I of course contacted him, no response, so I opened a case with eBay. Oh, now we get a response in which he says he wishes I would have waited before opening a case.. hmm... Anyway, moving forward. I let him know of the issues, he said he would get the power brick out ASAP, then asks what power supply I need. I tell him, and thats the last I heard. All emails since then have been ignored or not responded to, so when eBay contacted me tonight asking how things were going, I went ahead and escalated the case. Im posting this here, because he has a lot of gaming stuff, that many of us here would buy. Just be wary of this seller, and expect things to be not as described. I wouldnt suggest buying there though as he clearly does not inspect things before shipping, nor does he stand by his sales. Its up to the bay what happens at this point.
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thanks bernie, i was looking at couple of his auctions, think I'll hold off now! [-X
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Thanks I take your word on stuff like this as I've dealt with you many times and I know what condition you like your games to be in. Some of those issues are really disappointing especially when sellers are deceitful in order to maximize their profits.
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Yeah, and conveniently, after the case was escalated I get a response. We are talking literally minutes here, he responded. Ignored all messages asking him if he has had the time to ship yet, and checking in. So, now he is mad that "Im in a big rush", his words not mine, and told me to ship it back and he would refund me. Anyway, yeah. I would steer clear of this one.
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Tell him you're going to ship it back (use a private email account or minutemail.com), then continue the claim with eBay/PayPal. He probably won't even notice that you don't call off the claim. I wouldn't ship the damn thing back, not after him lying, and after you cleaning the unit for him. Not to mention you're not getting any money back for your time. I know it sounds shitty, but I can't stand shitty sellers so whenever I can screw them back I do it x2.
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Nah fifty. That would make me just as guilty. If I get refunded, I'll ship it back.
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Nah fifty. That would make me just as guilty. If I get refunded, I'll ship it back.
I appreciate your honesty, Bernie.
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Ebay just emailed me to let me know they are paying return shipping. Gonna print the postage and ship this back. The seller asked me to send it as received... hmmm.. I guess I should let my dog chew on it, shit on it, sleep with it... ect...
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Yeah usually to get a refund you have to prove you shipped it back, so Fiftys idea wouldn't have worked anyway. Nice they are covering return shipping for you on this. Its been a little while since I had to handle a actual return to someone, but if they make that a permanent feature now for returns on "item not as described" claims that would be nice.
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wow that sucks.
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what a dirtbag. thanks for the warning!
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I'm shocked eBay is paying return shipping on it. I wonder if a percentage comes from the seller?
Yeah, you're right Bernie. Being an a$$hole to scum is just as bad as being the scum. I'd still wipe some ass sweat on it though. Maybe the guy will get pink eye at the very least.
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Ebay just emailed me to let me know they are paying return shipping. Gonna print the postage and ship this back. The seller asked me to send it as received... hmmm.. I guess I should let my dog chew on it, shit on it, sleep with it... ect...
So sad, but so true. He's benefitting from this transaction by getting back a console in much better condition.
Anyway... throw some animal hairs and nose grease on the Genesis, just in case he complains.
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I was just looking at some of his items today and was going to purchase something. I will avoid him now. Life's too short to deal with idiots.
Thanks for the heads up!
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I was just looking at some of his items today and was going to purchase something. I will avoid him now. Life's too short to deal with idiots.
Thanks for the heads up!
Yeah, your best bet is to avoid him. He doesnt appear to know much about his items, and certainly does not check conditions before shipping. If he does check the item, he leave a lot out of the description.
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This is some bullshit here lemme tell ya..
Ok, read the first part of the thread to be brought up to date.
Now, eBay provided me with a return shipping label to return the item. However....the item has stalled in AZ. According to the UPS tracking number, there are multiple errors in the address, and they are attempting to contact the receiver to have that corrected. That has been since Thursday the 6th of December. Obviously something is wrong with the address. Whether or not it is on eBays part because of the label, or the seller not providing the correct mailing info. Im not sure, but all I know is my refund is being held up for some bullshit that I have no control over. I called eBay and talked to a few wonderful hard to understand folks, who dont seem to know their ass from a hole in the ground. I cant tell you how many times I had to explain what the issue was.. They did say, that they were going to have the shipping info corrected and I would be contacted about my refund. I feel I have done everything I was supposed to do, and deserve my refund, now. Its not my fault the seller doesnt have a clue about his products, and that the address on the label that Ebay provided me has issues. Hopefully this will be taken care of, asap. It is just really pissing me off and causing me stress.
Thanks for listening to my bitch session.... :wink:
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Bernie, This thread is making me sad to hear, I know the level of detail you take, it seems unlikely that you wouldn't have done everything 100% correct. It's a sad day when you can't get a bit of customer service. I hope you can resolve this issue soon.
FUC*ebay
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Most of ebays customer support via phone is directed to call centers in India now, so thats part of the problem right there.
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damn Bernie, thanks for the heads up, but what a headache. Hope you get a resolution quick.
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Got my refund sometime during the night. :)
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Good to hear! :dance:
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Wow, really? I didnt do anything you said on there. You said you wanted to send the item, back so I let you, you got a FULL 100% refund. I dont understand why the negative? I understand a neutral, but a negative? Can this be fixed?
From him, I guess he doesnt like the truth to be known.
My reply.
NO, it cannot. Every thing I said is true, and you were forced to give me a refund through eBay. When I had an issue before, and asked for a partial refund, you even refused to leave positive feedback after I paid on time. I guess that was your way of retaliation since you couldnt leave a negative in return. You sent an incomplete item, that wasnt tested and was very dirty, along with an empty game case. You also were not easy to work with, and only responded to emails once I reported the situation to eBay, so no it cannot be fixed. The feedback I left is deserved and warranted. I know for a fact you wouldnt have bothered to leave my well deserved positive. If you would like to talk further about this, I have created a post here https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13617.0 . Others share my feelings. It is wrong to be deceptive and shady about items you are selling.
Feedback I left.
Item incomplete and filthy. Seller hard to work with. This is the 2nd time.
Follow-up by jimilee2012 (Dec-11-12 13:40):
Also, will fail to leave deserved positive feedback if he has to refund. Avoid!
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Bummer about the feedback, but money talks. Glad things worked out. I still hope you walked around with the stuff between your ass cheeks before sending it back.
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Hey at least you got your money back, you don't want some dirty beat up genesis anyways, there's enough great conditions units out there to be had.
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Hum, i just bought Super Mario Kart and 10 snes dust covers off this guy, my first dealing with him. I messed up when i asked him about combined shipping and forgot to mention i was in sweden. He finally responded after my third email about that, and we finally agreed on an ok combined shipping rate of $15 for those items.
I never got the impression he was avoiding me though, this was the days before christmas so he very well might have been busy shopping gifts or what not, as he said he was.
I can post back here once i get my items to share what condition the stuff is in. It was all described as in good shape. and carried average ebay prices.
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Oh, he only plays the avoid game if there's an issue. Been thru it twice with this guy. First time, I chalked it up as whatever. Second time, nah... can't bullshit me. If it was not for eBay and their buyer protection, I would've been stuck. He only responded when I involved eBay. Wish you luck.
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Well this was an issue, since i asked to be let out of having to buy the mario game because his first combined shipping was more than i was willing to pay. I sent a message a day for three days asking to get out of it. He then finally returned saying he'd been busy preparing for christmas and gave me new combined shipping that i agreed to, which he didnt really have to, as it was MY mistake, and not his.
Thanks for the good wishes, we'll see what happens. so far im not too worried about our deal. Dust caps are only dust caps, and we'll see what shape the cartridge is. I am not doubting your story, but my items are less prone to the issues you had i believe.
Either way i can return with my experience once ive gotten the stuff if you want.
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I also had a dealing with this seller for a NES manual. I waited and waited and it was never delivered. I filed a Paypal dispute and finally got my money back.
But yeah, bad experience with him as well.
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So an update on this. I sent his system back, and eBay refunded me when they seen it was in his hometown, according to tracking info, but he wouldn't go get it. I got a postcard today from UPS, as it was returned to me since he never picked it up.. They don't deliver to PO boxes, so I gotta go get it. Strange... Why would he NOT get his stuff?
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Strange... Why would he NOT get his stuff?
To f*ck with you and try to make it look like everything is your fault.
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Well, I went and picked it up. Not sure what to do at this point... I did everything exactly like eBay requested, even using their return postage that they provided. I swear, dealing with misfits has been one big f*cking nightmare...
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Strange... Why would he NOT get his stuff?
To f*ck with you and try to make it look like everything is your fault.
Yep, if he tries to appeal the claim, just have the tracking info on hand for ebay so they can review and see he refused to pick up the package or whatever. You have done all you can really concerning the matter otherwise.
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eBay should have the tracking info right? Since I used their return label they provided.. I odnt wanna get f*cked by this a$$hole.
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Yeah they should, but when you call them half the time the reps they use from India act like they don't know what is going on, so I would just keep a record of the shipping info on hand just in case you need to cite it for them over the phone or something one day.
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Thanks! Will do.
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Well, my items arrived in good condition as advertised. Mario kart needed some cleaning, but few are those ebay sellers who clean cartridge ports to begin with so nothing unusual there..
Considering my mistake of asking for combined shipping (but forgetting to mention i was in sweden) he said $1 per each game added, i couldve ended up paying more shipping. he first combined at $20 in a box (10 dust caps + one game), which i thought was a bit high, he lowered to $15 and i was happy. Considering he didnt even have to do that since i had already committed to buying, i think he was willing to work with me. I left him positive feedback. Cant speak of bernie's issues which i dont doubt are real, but my experience was good, no worse than the usual ebay experience for me. Id buy from him again.
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Good for you Grimm.
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Thank you, i hope your issues gets resolved to your satisfaction too.
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Thank you, i hope your issues gets resolved to your satisfaction too.
They were resolved, thanks. :) Its good that your experience went well. But consider this. There are tons of sellers on eBay, and when someone in the forums says, "Hey, this guy is not good!", its best to shop somewhere else. Why play roulette with your money? I dont know about you, but I dont have the funds to just roll the die and hope for the best.
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But many of those "beware" threads are also done by people who dont research, dont ask the perhaps obvious but needed questions, or just dont use common sense.. In other words they assume too much, and then spew shit over the seller when they get disappointed when he wont cover their own mistakes. Not saying this was the case for you either way, but in general that is often what it is.
If i run into a beware-thread i take it into account, but i dont base everything off it. It also depends heavily on how many actually share their own bad experiences with that person. Some people have bad experiences where others dont. You had a bad experience, i did not. Sure, my order was less than $55 all in all so i didnt put as much though into it as if it had been a $550 purchase, but thats still quite a lot of money to me, especially since im unemployed. Its not money i wish to lose or take for granted, thats like food for a week for me.
I didnt see this thread before i purchased from him, and judging by his feedback on ebay, he seems pretty fair to trade from to me, especially based on my experience once the deal is done and i have my goods. 3620 positive, 9 neutral and 4 negative in the past 12 months isnt bad. And if you check the two negatives he's had one is yours, and the other can be speculated the buyer didnt ask questions to protect his interest.. Im not saying he didnt, as i have no way of knowing. But i can easily imagine him seeing "box shows wear" as something minor, whilst another person might consider 3 big rips (if they were 3 big rips) as "wear". Ive been in too many discussions on how differently people grade items to even do it anymore. If its described as that, i would ask to see pics of the "wear", and if he didnt want to picture it for me, i look elsewhere. So again, not saying its the case as i have no way of knowing, but this could be one of those buyers who disagreed on what wear is, which is his right, and therefor left negative feedback hastily out of anger and disappointment. I would not neglect his experience, but compared to the 3600+ of positive feedback, i couldnt judge the seller as bad over his (or your) experience alone.
I find it best to take other people's experience into account and let them guide you, rather then let them dictate what you should or should not do. Regardless of if its a purchase or something else.
Im not defending this seller, nor saying everyone should or shouldnt buy from him really, im just arguing a point, that if you do your research, ask anal questions you stand a much better chance of not being disapointed. For example, i ALWAYS ask if the item will ship in a box, and how it will be protected during shipping, if im buying something that can easily be damaged in transit. Loose carts are fine in a bubble envelope for example, but a Sega CD case, standard cd case, cardboard box games etc i ALWAYS make sure they package it well, and have rarely seen a poor job as a result. So ask all these things, be thourough even if you shouldnt have to, because people are people and most people are fairly lazy and stupid, especially on ebay or internet-shopping as a whole. I purchased that new PC Engine RPG that was released not long ago, and forgot to ask how it was being shipped. It was shipped in a plastic envelope with NO bubble-wrap or other protection what so ever. Of course the case was crushed once it arrived with me here in sweden. Couldve been avoided with a simple question of upgraded shipping..
As for general ebay selling, the people i find to be bad sellers in general are those where i have recieved overly filthy items, or tobacco smoke infested items that are hard or impossible to get the smoke out of, where the condition has not been described. But again, if you ASK about that in particular, you have that covered if it goes to a dispute. I generally try to ask about tobacco smoke, but i forgot when i finally found a decently priced Mutant League Hockey boxed with manual. It arrived, and the manual itself stinks of tobacco smoke, so right now its in a plastic bag with kitty litter as that is said to help bring that out, if that doesnt work ill try baking soda. But i cant really go and complain as an afterthought. The seller should have described this yes, but again you, the buyer, has all the tools to avoid things like that by simply asking these types of questions. Therefor i didnt give him a bad or neutral feedback, but if i end up buying from him again, ill make sure to ask these things that should be obviously described to begin with.
Again, i want to clarify that i am not judging you, or telling you what you should or shouldnt have done to avoid this bad experience you had. I am simply sharing my thoughts and reasoning when it comes to buying items online, especially from abroad since thats usually the case for me, and therefor requires more forethought since issues will get expensive quickly as ebay do nor re-imburse international shipping yet requires expensive trackable shipping which may sometimes end up more expensive than the product itself, as was the case when i got scammed with a counterfeit DS3 controller from a Hong Kong vendor. It was simply not worth returning it.
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Up to you man.
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Im not defending this seller, nor saying everyone should or shouldnt buy from him really, im just arguing a point, that if you do your research, ask anal questions you stand a much better chance of not being disapointed. For example, i ALWAYS ask if the item will ship in a box, and how it will be protected during shipping, if im buying something that can easily be damaged in transit. Loose carts are fine in a bubble envelope for example, but a Sega CD case, standard cd case, cardboard box games etc i ALWAYS make sure they package it well, and have rarely seen a poor job as a result. So ask all these things, be thourough even if you shouldnt have to, because people are people and most people are fairly lazy and stupid, especially on ebay or internet-shopping as a whole. I purchased that new PC Engine RPG that was released not long ago, and forgot to ask how it was being shipped. It was shipped in a plastic envelope with NO bubble-wrap or other protection what so ever. Of course the case was crushed once it arrived with me here in sweden. Couldve been avoided with a simple question of upgraded shipping..
Actually, you are defending him. You are also implying that I did not do my research. I should not have to ask anal questions, as its up to the seller to be totally honest. When you buy a f*cking console from someone, you expect the seller to not pack it like a moron. Thankfully, this was not the case here. He packed very securely.
As for general ebay selling, the people i find to be bad sellers in general are those where i have recieved overly filthy items, or tobacco smoke infested items that are hard or impossible to get the smoke out of, where the condition has not been described. But again, if you ASK about that in particular, you have that covered if it goes to a dispute. I generally try to ask about tobacco smoke, but i forgot when i finally found a decently priced Mutant League Hockey boxed with manual. It arrived, and the manual itself stinks of tobacco smoke, so right now its in a plastic bag with kitty litter as that is said to help bring that out, if that doesnt work ill try baking soda. But i cant really go and complain as an afterthought. The seller should have described this yes, but again you, the buyer, has all the tools to avoid things like that by simply asking these types of questions. Therefor i didnt give him a bad or neutral feedback, but if i end up buying from him again, ill make sure to ask these things that should be obviously described to begin with.
I guess you did not read my thread fully.. I stated the console was FILTHY, I literally had to take it apart and scrub the motherf*cker clean. The cart slot had so much animal hair in it, that a Genny cart wouldnt even seat properly. And there you go again saying its my responsibility to ask a ton of f*cking retarded questions. Again, as someone that sells things on eBay myself, its up to ME to advertise my stuff honestly. But thats apple and oranges, I could deal with a dirty console if I knew it worked.. See, the SELLER, see that there fella? SELLER.. The seller advertised it as, WAIT FOR IT NOW..... COMPLETE AND WORKING!!
That certainly is not what I got. I got a system that was so goddamn nasty, that a cart wouldn't start, and a CD unit with the wrong power supply.. So, tell me mr eBay expert, was I supposed to get out my f*cking crystal ball and ask him if he was sending the proper power cables, and if his dog had slept with the system for 10 years? Cause if that is so, then I am totally in the wrong and should have known better. Everyone, please.. buy from Misfits, he is GREAT!!! Just ask grimm.
And one more thing. I have bought from this seller three times. The first time it was for a sealed TG16 game. The box had been stored either in high humidity or somewhere where it was exposed to H2O. So, the box was shot, plastic all stuck to it and falling apart. Luckily, the game inside was also sealed, and everything was good. I didnt care so much, since I dont keep boxes. I bought a sealed game knowing it would be in MINT condition, I could give a shit about a damn box. Second time, I bought another sealed TG16 game, CD game this time. Same condition, BUT this time the manual inside was totally screwed. Luckily the game was ok. I emailed him, and he emailed me back promptly, asking me what I wanted. I asked for a $10 refund. That brought the price down to where it should have been in that condition. See, when ya buy a game SEALED, you naturally assume its in MINT condition. I guess I should have asked if he stored it in the swimming pool, my bad. Anyway, he responded with he thought 10 was too high, and this game goes for bla bla bla.. Then, he stopped responding altogether. So, I opened a case, and he instantly, and I mean within 5 freaking minutes, responded. ANd, he gave me the refund, but not the positive feedback I deserved.. I did pay for the item, in full, and on time. I chalked it up as, ehh...whatever. Now, fast forward. Im searching for a Sega CD unit, and I come across his. Hey, it looks good, he said it works, and its complete, and includes games. Win/win. I get, a shitty console that clearly has not been tested, and one of the game case was completely empty.. Really, do I really f*cking need to ask the seller, " Excuse me dear sir, but is the game in the case?" Really? Give me a f*cking break. Im glad you, grimm, had a good experience. Really, I am, cuz I dont wish anyone bad luck. But...mark my words, you buy from him again, and you stand a chance of getting shit. What you do, is totally up to you. Seeing as how you are not employed, I wouldnt think you would want to take that chance.. But hey, who am I? Just some guy that didnt ask a ton of questions about an item that was described improperly.
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Question: misfit-toys-and-games?
Answer: caveat emptor, period.
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I dont use implications or undertones, i spoke from my own experience and practices and if you now later think i told you what to do, after first accepting my post for what it was, i cant help that. I made it clear several times i made no judgement over you NOR him. If i had intended for you personally to ask anal questions, i would have mentioned you personally. Again, i dont use implications or undertones, regardless if you believe so or not. I have Aspergers Syndrome and it is not in my nature to do so. I get shit for being TOO honest and TOO straightforward. I simply gave hints on how to increase ones chances of avoiding issues, by asking more if the description is sparse. Im not gonna look here again, since you obviously are taking out your newfound frustration on me, after having acted civilized a day ago.
You are now being overly sarcastic, childish and even say "Everyone, please.. buy from Misfits, he is GREAT!!! Just ask grimm." I never said that, not once. Nor did i belittle your issue or expressed any doubt you had one. I think i even said "i dont doubt you had issues with him". I was trying to be helpful and unbaised in the thread, and you give some sort of delayed backlash that makes me think you are drunk reading this thread again in drunken anger, taking shit out on me.
If you have bought from this guy before and had bad experiences from the very first buy, why would you buy from him again... No that was not a question, it was a statement. By your own angered reasoning you shouldnt even have looked at his listings ever again. I wont even respond to your on implications made towards ME, and i wont bother you again Bernie, good bye.
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Oh please. Don't play the victim here sir. I may have come across as harsh, and for that I apologize. But there is no doubt that you were insinuating that I was partly at fault. At least that is how it appeared, and why it upset me. If I misunderstood you then shame on me. But I've read it several times.. It just strikes me that way every time. Either way, its not my intent to make enemies here. I say we chalk this shit up as a misunderstanding and not look back.