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Title: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 15, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
As stated, shits getting old. A new policy needs to be put into place. Too many people joining up just to use the forum for their dumping ground when their get get rich schemes involving turbo goods falls though on ebay. What should we do? Should we implement our own rule set and enforce it religiously, or get a moderator to do so to kick out people coming here just to dump stuff?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: DarkKobold on December 15, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
Loaded questions make for great legitimate surveys.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 15, 2012, 03:40:59 PM
I have thoughts on this but the option I'm looking for doesn't seem to be there.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 15, 2012, 04:21:52 PM
Honestly there should be some requirements here before being allowed to sell. There should be a post count/forum activity requirement. Also, references should be mandatory, along with posting clean/clear pics of the items for sale when you are new. Too many new sellers joining just to sell, and they don't post pics and have no real references. There could even be a transaction limit in place to have them prove they can successfully complete a few before posting some massive list and trying to fill 20 different peoples orders. Many forums usually have some requirements in place. Surprisingly this one has never implemented any really.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on December 15, 2012, 04:41:23 PM
I would love for NO BUY and NO SELL be in place for anyone below 1,150 posts. :)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: psychobear on December 15, 2012, 04:58:29 PM
Being a new member on here I try to my best not to clash or step on any veteran members, in my for sale threat I always post pictures to everything, never gauge no one, and even did a raffle for a spare I had laying around.
I wouldn't want to be rosted by any one on here!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on December 15, 2012, 05:21:10 PM
Honestly there should be some requirements here before being allowed to sell. There should be a post count/forum activity requirement.
This, Mike. Other forums I am a member of even has a seller rep (feedback rep) and rules are heavily enforced on buying and selling via time and post count.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 15, 2012, 06:04:52 PM
Sale forums shouldn't even be visible to members with less than 100 posts and two months activity.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 15, 2012, 06:12:21 PM
Stop bitching... Jesus if you want the f*cking lot, then pay up.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 15, 2012, 06:44:47 PM
let anyone sell have some feedback system limit buying by noobs (non contributing members)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 15, 2012, 09:27:22 PM
I kind of like the system we have because I have no problem with noobs dumping shit. They %99 of the time want way too much friggn money for the stuff, but the flame patrol will take care of that. Honestly, roasting is clearly the number one most popular thing on this forum anyway. The place would be a f*cking ghost town without the dumpers. WE FEED UPON THEM.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on December 16, 2012, 12:03:18 AM
I kind of like the system we have because I have no problem with noobs dumping shit. They %99 of the time want way too much friggn money for the stuff, but the flame patrol will take care of that. Honestly, roasting is clearly the number one most popular thing on this forum anyway. The place would be a f*cking ghost town without the dumpers. WE FEED UPON THEM.
As always, Zeta's stance is more fun and more realistically achievable (its already in place) than my own dream (requiring 1,150 post count before BUY/SELL is accessible). I realize now that noobs will artificially inflate their post account with GARBAGGIO, which will actually degrade the overall experience for EVERYONE.
I suppose we should still have a handful of "best-practice principals" posted somewhere, REGARDLESS, to serve as a reference for everyone. We will refer noobs there as soon as they rear their misshapen little craniums.
NOTE: I actually am very welcoming of noobs...I don't want to lose someone who might actually contribute to the community simply because they step on a few toes with their initial FOR SALE post. On the flip side, we quickly discover what a person is like via the FOR SALE threads...so maybe it's a good thing that folks reveal their true colors, so quickly, since $$$$$ is involved.
Gentlemen, let the noobie sellers run the gauntlet, should they choose to be so bold. :)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on December 16, 2012, 01:22:14 AM
We want more mods, we want more rules, etc. but we are hanging out on a forum that basically has no administrator. At the end of the day, if we want more control over the forums, we're going to have to move. Like over to the forums that sunteampaul set up when PCEFX went down.
I'm not encouraging anyone to ditch this place. I'm just saying that it's pretty obvious that PCEFX is a take-it-or-leave-it situation at this point.
I will also say that the Prof's idea of us self-policing will not work. These people show up to dump stuff and we all rail on them, but behind the scenes guys like retrohungry and segasaturn 51195 are selling stuff. So what reason do they have to listen to anything that we say? They have no intention of sticking around, so they might as well flame us right back. We're all paper tigers anyway, since we have no way to boot/ban them. The best way to handle the situation would be to treat them with respect and point out that their prices are too high and that this isn't eBay (but do it politely). If they act like a$$holes and/or don't lower their prices then of course none of us "regulars" will buy from them (and in fact we should completely ignore them instead of keeping their thread at the top of the page with constant bumps), but just as there are people who sign up here just to sell shit, there are also people here who sign up just to buy shit, and we can't control what they do.
The best thing we can do is only sell our stuff to forum regulars and only buy stuff from forum regulars or noobs who have reasonable prices. We really can't control the actions of noob gougers and buyers who only have a membership here to fill holes in their collection at any cost. If you really can't stand those people, the best thing to do is to completely shun them.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 16, 2012, 01:29:32 AM
I don't have aproblem with noobs selling, I've bought from people in the past with low counts and had no problem. if someone has some interesting stuff to sell from their childhood that they haven't touched in years then why should they be forced to make posts just to offer something. you get noobs posting a bunch of junk posts to get their count up. you really can't get too upset when people come in here and last stuff at ebay prices because often times thats what they payed for it. if you don't like their price make an offer. if they are still to high then their stuffs just won't sell. I would rather see a feedback system in place so we know who the good sellers are. if a no feedback person is selling everyone knows they are taking more of a risk.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on December 16, 2012, 01:39:18 AM
It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).
Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.
Finally, I get on my soapbox to explain why BLODIA is an unfairly maligned game.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Firebomber7 on December 16, 2012, 03:27:32 AM
So, what about noobs with like 2 posts that just say "PMed" on these sorts of gouging sales threads? Flood their inbox with hell also?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: psychobear on December 16, 2012, 04:44:58 AM
What about posting in introductions first? I think that's a must.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 16, 2012, 06:54:37 AM
It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).
Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.
This is a good idea. But rather than harassment, how about false interest in their sales? A la: "how much is shipping to *insert random country*?" or "I'll take DEII for $300! Can you hold it? I'll send paypal on Friday!" Of course, one of us will have to eventually buy something cheap so we can get their return address and sign them up for lewd snail mail.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on December 16, 2012, 07:12:35 AM
It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).
Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.
This is a good idea. But rather than harassment, how about false interest in their sales? A la: "how much is shipping to *insert random country*?" or "I'll take DEII for $300! Can you hold it? I'll send paypal on Friday!" Of course, one of us will have to eventually buy something cheap so we can get their return address and sign them up for lewd snail mail.
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL PLAN.
Damn, we should feel good. The Professor will be pleased (ha!) :)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: turboswimbz on December 16, 2012, 07:18:05 AM
It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).
Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.
This is a good idea. But rather than harassment, how about false interest in their sales? A la: "how much is shipping to *insert random country*?" or "I'll take DEII for $300! Can you hold it? I'll send paypal on Friday!" Of course, one of us will have to eventually buy something cheap so we can get their return address and sign them up for lewd snail mail.
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL PLAN.
Damn, we should feel good. The Professor will be pleased (ha!) :)
I'm fairly certain this is already happening . . . :-#
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: FiftyQuid on December 16, 2012, 08:56:20 AM
I went with option one in the poll. Selling only permitted with 150 posts. Buying shouldn't be allowed until a higher post count is obtained. Maybe 250 or 350 posts.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: jperryss on December 16, 2012, 09:06:38 AM
I went with option one in the poll. Selling only permitted with 150 posts. Buying shouldn't be allowed until a higher post count is obtained. Maybe 250 or 350 posts.
I'm not getting the logic behind that. Not only are you limiting the market for existing sellers, but it's much easier to screw someone as a seller than a buyer.
If anything, shouldn't the required post count be lower for buying?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Keith Courage on December 16, 2012, 09:13:15 AM
Why not just let the newbies list what they have for sale right away if they want to. Then individuals here can decide whether they want to buy something from them or not. No need to trash their prices or get up in their business about how reliable or trustworthy they are. People here would obviously take that in to account before buying anything. Sounds like the easiest plan to me.
Meaning if you think the prices are too high or that you cannot trust the person for being new then don't buy anything.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 16, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
Why not just let the newbies list what they have for sale right away if they want to. Then individuals here can decide whether they want to buy something from them or not. No need to trash their prices or get up in their business about how reliable or trustworthy they are. People here would obviously take that in to account before buying anything. Sounds like the easiest plan to me.
Because this is the kind of approach that has seemed to create the image of this forum as being a dumping ground with a fat wallet for gougers and resellers. This approach no longer seems to work for the majority of us as it clearly sends the wrong message. Now after peoples ebay fail, the first place they hit is here.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: DarkKobold on December 16, 2012, 09:33:44 AM
None of this post deals with moderator enforced limits!
I'm starting to dig this idea of a community-enforced ban on new sellers. Not because it will work, or is even remotely a good idea.
I like the idea because it is an online-version of the Prisoner's Dilemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma). For the community-ban to work, everyone must agree to not buy from sellers. However, that means that the best situation is that the entire community practices it, but you. You get the ability to buy from a seller, and get all of their cheapest items, while the rest of the community stays banded together in not buying from them.
This is why it is extremely difficult to combat carbon emissions on a global level. Reducing carbon emissions cost money, so it is best for every other country to reduce their carbon footprint, while your country doesn't. This is why no country has greatly focused on it.
Now, this idea can't work, beyond just the failings due to the prisoner's dilemma. First off, new sellers have absolutely no reason to listen to old-timers. Likewise, new buyers also have no reason to listen. The best old-timers can do is flood a sale posting with negativity and flames.... which already happens!
Yet, this has not prevented 100% of sales for either RetroHungry or SegaSaturn. (To what influence the flame war has had on sales is questionable). So, in short, this won't work. Appeal to the mods if you want real change.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Opethian on December 16, 2012, 09:44:18 AM
anyone with a default avatar irrelevant also anyone who believes ebay is a price guide gtfo k thx bai
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: turboswimbz on December 16, 2012, 09:49:33 AM
True perhaps to eveything said here, I think the thread here is more of a vent (for most anyway). I mean being debbie down here ON EITHER SIDE is only going to upset people. and turn this into another stupid long drawn out fight. The best thing to do is just ignore everything on both sides from my point of view.
The only real way to stop this would have been if you couldn't see the sales threads until you reached a post level or activity level and for it to be enforced. But since the mods don't enforce anyway, and won't change the rules - this would be all for naught.
So just ignore it. Buy from who you want when the price is good and they seem descent, and sell to people you think are decent at a fair price. - the golden rule re-imagined for selling/buying. your turbo karma will grow.
But don't shit on others because they want to see change or not, I mean so what if it doesn't happen. just let the rant take it's course, better than stirring shit in these threads and having everyone going at each other. because when this happens you let the new comings who dump stuff here and don't care ruin the experience for everyone.
just my 2 cents. I know it doesn't mean much, but do we really need to have arguments start over some sellers with poor attitudes or high prices?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 16, 2012, 09:52:13 AM
i have a default avitar
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Bernie on December 16, 2012, 09:53:22 AM
I would say have it set so that you could not access certain parts of the forum, until a post count has been reached. I would think 50-100 would be enough to know if they are someone worth dealing with. I've been a mod on private forums before, that utilized a system like that, and it works well. Doubtful it will ever happen here though.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: turboswimbz on December 16, 2012, 09:54:18 AM
This is why it is extremely difficult to combat carbon emissions on a global level. Reducing carbon emissions cost money, so it is best for every other country to reduce their carbon footprint, while your country doesn't. This is why no country has greatly focused on it.
No, mitigating asthma, heart attacks, endangered species impacts, acidic oceans, and dead coral reefs costs money. Endlessly refuting junk science costs money. Forcing businessmen to stop externalizing their costs is comparatively cheap. The difficultly lies in convincing free-market idiots like you.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Sadler on December 16, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
I like the idea because it is an online-version of the Prisoner's Dilemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma).
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Now, this idea can't work, beyond just the failings due to the prisoner's dilemma.
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So, in short, this won't work.
:-k You like the idea because it doesn't work?
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Appeal to the mods if you want real change.
That's not how it works around here, and it's not the mods fault. They simply don't have the power to instate anything like suggested in this thread.
EDIT: Actually I suppose they do. If someone violates the policy they could ban them, but that's a tough sell. It's not against any explicit site policy and short of bragging about your child porn chances are you won't get banned.
EDIT 2: Would you apply this to all sections or just the US side? There doesn't seem to be a lot of trouble on the PCE side. Honestly, I don't care if someone has no posts and no rep and lists something for sale. I can just ignore it and not buy what they've got if I don't think it's worth it.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 16, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
You have to remember that this is the guy who believes common loosies are worth $25+. He likes the impossible boycott idea because he thinks these noob ebay rejects have decent prices:
the best situation is that the entire community practices [the boycott], but you. You get the ability to buy from a seller, and get all of their cheapest items, while the rest of the community stays banded together in not buying from them.
You know, because all of us old-timers are so mean to the sellers with reasonable prices... and because we're frantically, desperately, competing with DK to complete our U.S. sets. A boycott will give him the edge!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: DarkKobold on December 16, 2012, 12:42:50 PM
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: 420GOAT on December 16, 2012, 03:35:52 PM
i was new and wanted to buy, im glad you decided to sell.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 16, 2012, 07:42:51 PM
just because its for sale doesnt mean we must buy. just because your selling doesnt mean you have to sell to anyone. leave it to the judgement of those involved, and lets ridicule those sale threads that go overboard.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Gogan on December 17, 2012, 03:35:36 AM
Until Aaron and/or the mods take this site seriously and implement changes, nothing will stop all the f*ckery. It's just that simple. A member-run authority on buy/sell criteria will not work. It needs to be created at mod/owner level.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Frank_fjs on December 17, 2012, 03:53:05 AM
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Necromancer on December 17, 2012, 05:10:13 AM
I'm for imposing a limit on sellers to weed out the guys looking to use us as a dumping ground to save eBay fees; and it should be a real rule subject to enforcement by mods, else we'll end up with the same weekly flamefests we have now.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 17, 2012, 05:18:06 AM
I'm for imposing a limit on sellers to weed out the guys looking to use us as a dumping ground to save eBay fees; and it should be a real rule subject to enforcement by mods, else we'll end up with the same weekly flamefests we have now.
Exactly. Craps getting old, and its getting to the point where people are posting less about playing games and more in the shity witch hunt sales threads the noobs keep starting.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 17, 2012, 05:28:06 AM
why are people posting in sales threads anyways this is the only forum I go to where it's common practice to turn every sales thread into a 10 page discussion. I go to a lot of forums with even worse gouging issues and when someone posts overpriced stuff they don't get any attention and the stuff doesn't sell. smart sellers then drop their prices until they make a deal or leave. last couple of witch hunt threads the sellers prices weren't even that bad and they were willing to negotiate. it embarrassed me the behavior of a lot of people on this site and I feel most the instigators aren't even interested in buying anything in the first place.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Gogan on December 17, 2012, 05:34:03 AM
why are people posting in sales threads anyways this is the only forum I go to where it's common practice to turn every sales thread into a 10 page discussion. I go to a lot of forums with even worse gouging issues and when someone posts overpriced stuff they don't get any attention and the stuff doesn't sell. smart sellers then drop their prices until they make a deal or leave. last couple of witch hunt threads the sellers prices weren't even that bad and they were willing to negotiate. it embarrassed me the behavior of a lot of people on this site and I feel most the instigators aren't even interested in buying anything in the first place.
This. It's almost as annoying when all people do is bitch and complain about it. It's SO easy to jus skip past threads with bad pricing. If they won't haggle, then it won't be long before they find out its not going to sell. If it sells, well, I guess it was on the mark then, whether you agree or not.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Necromancer on December 17, 2012, 06:07:14 AM
I'm not a fan of saying nothing when someone is trying to gouge or otherwise hoodwink the forum, as there are plenty of newish guys that may not know any better in terms of pricing/rarity/completeness/etc.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Gogan on December 17, 2012, 06:37:41 AM
I'm not a fan of saying nothing when someone is trying to gouge or otherwise hoodwink the forum, as there are plenty of newish guys that may not know any better in terms of pricing/rarity/completeness/etc.
In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial. But that Saturn guy, he had decent prices, said he would haggle, and still got blasted. Though, his dickish attitude didn't help, and probably stirred that pot a bit.
But, if you have no interest in anything being sold, and it's not gouged to the max, I vote people just stfu. If you are buying at high prices, you need to educate yourself. You can't fix stupid.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: KingDrool on December 17, 2012, 06:48:57 AM
Honestly, it doesn't bother me. I prefer it being the Wild West. If some douche wants to sign up just to try an unload an "OMG R@RE! SE@LED KEITH COURAGE!" for $800, let 'em try. Instead of getting our undies all up in a bunch and acting like internet rage nerds, we can just point, laugh, and move along.
And at first I was was okay with making a 150 post minimum to use the Buy/Sell boards. But shit, if some guy actually comes here with something good to sell and is willing to do so for a fair price, why make him wait until he has 150 posts?
Sorry, but I say we just let the community filter out the bullshit in this case.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on December 17, 2012, 06:59:21 AM
In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial.
Completely agree, and I did! In my case there was history and context, I don't make it a habit to pick on every single newb that does this. I even tried to calm the waters on the Saturn thread and that failed. True some guys here go overboard and I frown on that, but it's important to NOT generalize either.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: nectarsis on December 17, 2012, 01:13:50 PM
why are people posting in sales threads anyways this is the only forum I go to where it's common practice to turn every sales thread into a 10 page discussion. I go to a lot of forums with even worse gouging issues and when someone posts overpriced stuff they don't get any attention and the stuff doesn't sell. smart sellers then drop their prices until they make a deal or leave. last couple of witch hunt threads the sellers prices weren't even that bad and they were willing to negotiate. it embarrassed me the behavior of a lot of people on this site and I feel most the instigators aren't even interested in buying anything in the first place.
On the flip side this a MUCH smaller/more tight knit forum than almost any other I have been on. Plus most other sites have some form of time/post limits to post, or even see the sale threads which would negate a lot of these issues. Add to that so many of us are friends (even in the real world) you'll get more reaction (usually more to the dickish attitudes warranted or not). ;)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Black Tiger on December 17, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
If no restrictions are made, a disclaimer should at least be added to the rules of the buy/sell sections warning n00bs of what generally sets people off and how many people will comment in their threads if they don't like their prices.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Gogan on December 17, 2012, 02:45:58 PM
In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial.
Completely agree, and I did! In my case there was history and context, I don't make it a habit to pick on every single newb that does this. I even tried to calm the waters on the Saturn thread and that failed. True some guys here go overboard and I frown on that, but it's important to NOT generalize either.
Saturn dug his own grave in that thread lol
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 17, 2012, 03:24:12 PM
If no restrictions are made, a disclaimer should at least be added to the rules of the buy/sell sections warning n00bs of what generally sets people off and how many people will comment in their threads if they don't like their prices.
In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial.
Completely agree, and I did! In my case there was history and context, I don't make it a habit to pick on every single newb that does this. I even tried to calm the waters on the Saturn thread and that failed. True some guys here go overboard and I frown on that, but it's important to NOT generalize either.
Saturn dug his own grave in that thread lol
But...but he PUT EVERYONE IN THEIR PLACE!!!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on December 17, 2012, 03:48:21 PM
That's true. I was definitely put in my place. The place where I don't buy his stuff and he disappears from the forums.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 17, 2012, 11:54:43 PM
I would say have it set so that you could not access certain parts of the forum, until a post count has been reached. I would think 50-100 would be enough to know if they are someone worth dealing with. I've been a mod on private forums before, that utilized a system like that, and it works well. Doubtful it will ever happen here though.
The only problem with making the "sell/trade" forums invisible to new members would be that they would assume they just don't exist and should make new topics/posts to sell their 'goods' on regular forums.
Why not just a 50 post limit for any new member to be able to start a thread? Make them join conversations, post in the "Welcome to PCFX" forum and get to know the place a bit, and when they hit their #50- then bam! They can start a thread.
I know this would take an act of GOD for Aaron to respond to a PM/email regarding this suggestion so maybe we all should try PMing him today. with the same request! :D
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 18, 2012, 05:17:06 AM
you want 50 posts from a n00b that are "I like this" and "lol" and " :lol:" before they can start posting "pm sent" in a sales thread?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: BigusSchmuck on December 18, 2012, 05:31:34 AM
you want 50 posts from a n00b that are "I like this" and "lol" and " :lol:" before they can start posting "pm sent" in a sales thread?
Or you can create a minimum post content like a paragraph or more to count towards your post count. And maybe have a script or something check to see if the content isn't repetitive and such. Might be too complicated, I dunno. Or have a requirement that your first 50 posts have to be in the pce/turbo/chat discussion and can't all be in fighting street. Better yet have fighting street posts don't count at all. Just a thought.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: sirhcman on December 18, 2012, 05:48:36 AM
I voted for 150 post count and 2 month activity but if we get into 'where I posted' and what content I have posted then I probably wouldn't qualify to sell here. I haven't made a For Sale thread but had been contemplating doing one in the future.. Currently I do all my deals through PM if people want something *shrugs*
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Obfuscate on December 18, 2012, 06:44:08 AM
2 months, no post count. You don't need to post a lot to be part of the community. 2 months keep guys from just signing up to dump their shit.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: jeffhlewis on December 18, 2012, 06:44:45 AM
Hey I'm not exactly the most prolific poster on the forums, and I've had lots of successful transactions buying and selling with members from the onset. Some of the post-limit restrictions would have prevented me from buying/selling.
I like the idea of making someone post in the introduction (or starting a thread somewhere in general) and maybe imposing 1-2 month moratorium on sales posts. Anything more and I just feel like you're scaring off new people who might contribute down the road.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: tiptopjames on December 18, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
Late to the party as usual, but I find all the poll choices to be a bit strict. I am not a prolific poster, but I read discussion boards quite a bit, be it for repair advice or advice on what games to play. Despite infrequent posting, I still decided I liked this forum enough to raffle a couple of dupes to this community, when I could have just as easily decided to sell them. So yes, I'm new, I frequent the b/s/t and discussion threads, and chances are high that I would not have contributed anything if such a silly limit were put in place. Why should we be so exclusive? I much prefer inclusion.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 18, 2012, 10:59:58 AM
so far I've had good deals from the two last noobs selling their goods so I don't know what the big deal is
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: 420GOAT on December 19, 2012, 03:48:12 AM
when i was new, i would have hated not being able to buy. selling may be something else, but then theyd just go to ebay. i think 2 weeks and 100 posts would be cool.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Arkhan on December 19, 2012, 04:23:39 AM
This whole threads pointless until we get more moderators.
I think if you don't have alot of posts, don't f*ckin' talk about anything, and just want to sell and leave, that you can just eat dicks and pound sand.
We need more moderators if we're going to have this shit work though.
Joe will take like 6 weeks to take care of it.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Gogan on December 19, 2012, 04:37:37 AM
This whole threads pointless until we get more moderators.
I think if you don't have alot of posts, don't f*ckin' talk about anything, and just want to sell and leave, that you can just eat dicks and pound sand.
We need more moderators if we're going to have this shit work though.
Joe will take like 6 weeks to take care of it.
Again, this.
Edit: actually, I think we have enough mods, they just need to do....something
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Nec.Game.head on December 19, 2012, 04:58:21 AM
This NOOB totally agrees on some of the tougher rules set. I really think that putting in the time to get to know the forum you joined should be mandatory in order to buy/sell. I guess maybe I feel this way because it's just way too easy to get on here and start selling/buying, then go else where like ebay or other forums and start selling this precious Pce stuff to make a profit. I have had some personal chats with some of the other newer members and that seems to be the trend now in days all over the place. Collecting Pce and Tg16 stuff because it's becoming really rare. I think it's BS !!! I really don't like the thought of being on a forums that has people that are into retro gaming/collecting because of it's huge trend right now and the income they can make from it. Nothing wrong with buying and selling to make a couple of extra bucks, if you are really into the console and want to help support each other in this Pce world of ours. Sorry about my rant it's just my opinion! You have got to earn your keep is what I say!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: soop on December 20, 2012, 10:11:37 PM
I don't really care too much about the selling, because I don't know anyone here who would buy something at a stupid price. It's when the new guy first gets a great deal from a fellow PCE fan and then shanks them by trying to profit.
So I say buying only, post limit.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: mrhaboobi on December 22, 2012, 12:11:24 PM
i say if someone is lucky enough to find something at a market, and they come here to sell it, so long as its cheaper than what i might have paid on ebay then to me thats fine.. everyone makes profit on something, id rather someone come here with a mint item and i have the chance to buy it, then for it to be completely lost to ebay, at least there is a chance i can negotiate with the seller for less. The forum will deal to anyone that is asking for too much, the fact is they just wont get their gear sold here.. but thats my thought.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: tggodfrey on December 22, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
I would rather see items sold here to the community rather than go on ebay because of some rule. As with all internet sales buyer is responsible for his own safety.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: KnightWarrior on December 22, 2012, 06:31:22 PM
I think at DP it's 2 weeks, Before the Buying and Selling opens up
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: jperryss on December 23, 2012, 01:26:37 AM
I think at DP it's 2 weeks, Before the Buying and Selling opens up
I've seen this on other boards as well. I've also seen a post-count minimum (typically 50-100 posts) sometimes combined with a 30-day restriction before a new user can view the classifieds.
Both work pretty well as long as that user doesn't start stupid threads like "which is better: Nintendo or Sega" and single-reply to every damn post in that thread to get his count up.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 23, 2012, 06:53:28 AM
i say if someone is lucky enough to find something at a market, and they come here to sell it, so long as its cheaper than what i might have paid on ebay then to me thats fine.. everyone makes profit on something, id rather someone come here with a mint item and i have the chance to buy it, then for it to be completely lost to ebay,
I would rather see items sold here to the community rather than go on ebay because of some rule.
I don't watch the sale forums as close as I used to - have there been any bargains from new members this year? Has anyone with less than the suggested post requirements ever posted a sale "priced to sell"?
You guys would have a point if brand new members were posting competitive prices, but I don't see the evidence. Noob sales are moderately successful because the 0-to-2-year members working on their U.S. sets wet themselves whenever they get a chance to buy something outside of ebay or haggle, not because the prices are lower. If a rookie does lower a price to the low BIN/average auction rate, it's because of a bulk sale and the lack of ebay fees, not generosity.
Saturn only moved his CD games after being verbally bludgeoned into lowering his prices three times. Even then, they wouldn't have sold without idiots on hand to buy Madden for $40 used when a google user could have bought it new for $23 on Amazon. Retrohungrey's prices basically match Amazon, where's the bargain? Do we really need to welcome ebay fee dodgers so our less scrupulous members can support double-talking liars like Saturn and second-post F-bombers trying to flip DE2 for 300 x the purchase price and twice the going rate?
Yes, the forum will "deal" with gougers, but no way are the handful of bargains worth the perpetual drama fest or the support we give to a$$holes.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 23, 2012, 09:01:01 AM
i say if someone is lucky enough to find something at a market, and they come here to sell it, so long as its cheaper than what i might have paid on ebay then to me thats fine.. everyone makes profit on something, id rather someone come here with a mint item and i have the chance to buy it, then for it to be completely lost to ebay,
I would rather see items sold here to the community rather than go on ebay because of some rule.
I don't watch the sale forums as close as I used to - have there been any bargains from new members this year? Has anyone with less than the suggested post requirements ever posted a sale "priced to sell"?
You guys would have a point if brand new members were posting competitive prices, but I don't see the evidence. Noob sales are moderately successful because the 0-to-2-year members working on their U.S. sets wet themselves whenever they get a chance to buy something outside of ebay or haggle, not because the prices are lower. If a rookie does lower a price to the low BIN/average auction rate, it's because of a bulk sale and the lack of ebay fees, not generosity.
Saturn only moved his CD games after being verbally bludgeoned into lowering his prices three times. Even then, they wouldn't have sold without idiots on hand to buy Madden for $40 used when a google user could have bought it new for $23 on Amazon. Retrohungrey's prices basically match Amazon, where's the bargain? Do we really need to welcome ebay fee dodgers so our less scrupulous members can support double-talking liars like Saturn and second-post F-bombers trying to flip DE2 for 300 x the purchase price and twice the going rate?
Yes, the forum will "deal" with gougers, but no way are the handful of bargains worth the perpetual drama fest or the support we give to a$$holes.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell cra
Post by: esteban on December 23, 2012, 10:08:11 AM
I have no idea, to be honest, if I actually get "good deals" when I occasionally purchase stuff. I'm at least 6-10 years off with all my "ballpark figures" for the prices on games (I used to buy stuff regularly 6-10 years ago when I had a few more $$$ to spend on games).
I did purchase an R-Type HuCARD (excellent condition, complete in jewel case, no cardboard box) within the last few months (from a person I considered a newbie) for ~$15? I was happy as hell, only because I've wanted it for a damn long time (I remember when it was a ridiculous $60-70 in Toys-R-Us). Clearly, my yardstick for pricing is skewed.
...and I have PCE R-Type CD and both HuCARDs already...
Was this a great deal? I have no f*cking idea. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: turboswimbz on December 23, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
All I can now do is laugh after reading that Esteban. In a perfect world all that matters is the happiness of getting a game at a price that is alright for your budget.
that being said I can't say the recent new sellers were good experiences for me . . . I'm still due a refund from 1 I'm beginning to doubt I'll see it.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: tggodfrey on December 23, 2012, 12:27:18 PM
The price or game value arguement will never end. Sure, new members come here with the idea games are worth more becuase of other sites like ebay and amazon. At least they come here and learn. On the opposite side of the coin existing members arent perfect either. I see existing members expecting to pay 10.00 for a game but expect to sell it for 20.00 on this forum. I have seen older members sell Cotton here for 250.00 when the forum wants to argue the game is only worth 50.00. To go one step farther i have seen existing members want to sell a series of items for a given price, lets say 150.00 but then turn around and sell that same lot for cheaper on another forum like Nintendoage.
My point here is that "noob" status isnt the problem. Its people in general. Everyone wants stuff for nothing but they want top dollar when they sell. I find the claimed prices on the forum to be cheap as can be. granted these games were 45.00 new it sounds rediculous to pay 35.00 for any game. What does 35.00 get you these days? Not even a full tank of gas. I dont support raising prices but price will naturally go up with the inflation of our economy. it sucks but it is what it is. As long as new members can discuss and understand that the forum does not acknowledge Ebay as a Price determining factor, I dont see a problem. There will always be someone who claims a price is too high no matter how low it is.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 23, 2012, 01:35:16 PM
Prices are a secondary concern for me. I only brought it up because you and mrhaboobi were worried about good deals going to ebay, which is unlikely.
We're never going to reach a consensus on prices. My concern is the a$$hole factor. I don't agree with 70% of the prices in the sale forums, but I generally keep my mouth shut, especially if it's a reputable member or active gamer. I didn't flame Saturn because of his prices, I flamed him because his contradictions were insane.
The point of this thread is stopping the noobs who simultaneously profit on us while giving everyone the middle finger. Guys like Swiss "Suck it" Canada, Retro "f*ck off" Hungry, and "I'm Still Here, Fags" Xray. No one joins an obscure hobby forum to sell collectibles to strangers for bargain prices. First-post sellers are a$$holes. Period. And anyone with <100 posts is highly suspect. There's no good reason to rubber stamp newcomers for the sale forums.
The only conceivable benefit to transient gougers is the entertainment factor, as Zeta pointed out. Some of the our finest moments and the majority of Nat's Hall of Shame come from such unsuspecting peddlers: Enix, Johnnyblaze, etc. That said, even I tire of the BS after a couple days. The peace and harmony around here was downright palpable when Xray and Canada were finally banned. A post requirement would have prevented every a$$hole cheapjack I've mentioned except for Xray. It's a good idea and it will be worth the peace and quiet.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 23, 2012, 02:02:50 PM
when i got here i was looking for a duo (or other CD hardware) as i had no way to play cd games. found the place when the sound died on my express.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 23, 2012, 02:07:24 PM
it's not a good idea though to assume a seller is making a profit on a game though especially on common games that might be 5-10 bucks more then you'd spend because you don't have any idea what THEY paid for the items
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: tggodfrey on December 23, 2012, 02:07:38 PM
Yeah I see your point and I agree with the "a$$hole factor" lol. Trouble is how do you set a rule up to keep the asshoels out and not hinder the honest sellers/buyers. Not everyone is all that interested in constantly posting threads in the discussion forum. Take me for example. There isnt anything I can post in the MOd section that you guys dont already know. The discussion threads I post in are mostly when I am bored at work. Not everyone has internet available at work.
Time frames seem to be a common choice on some forums. I usually see 30 day limits. On the automotive forum I ran, i used post count for the BST section. Using 50 posts worked since posting 50 trolling comments takes time and we could catch the individual before he got away with it. It did hurt member who just signed up looking for repair parts. Never did find a real good middle ground but the 50 post requirement is still active today.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 23, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Trouble is how do you set a rule up to keep the asshoels out and not hinder the honest sellers/buyers.
Time frames seem to be a common choice on some forums. I usually see 30 day limits. On the automotive forum I ran, i used post count for the BST section. Using 50 posts worked since posting 50 trolling comments takes time and we could catch the individual before he got away with it.
Yeah, I don't think we'd need a very big limitation. Just a token time limit would be enough to stop fly-by-night sellers from trying to make a quick buck w/o fees. And Steve has a valid point - a public marketplace may attract good people who aren't initially interested in shooting the breeze. I don't know what options are available to admins... maybe the sale forums could still be viewed by everyone so new members could buy via PM; but they couldn't start threads, i.e. sales, until 30 days and/or 50 posts.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 23, 2012, 06:24:52 PM
No one, a$$hole or not, should be buying or selling shit until they meet a post count requirement, and can provide solid references if selling here for the first time. Anyone joining should be able to provide some kind of referral, either via ebay seller feedback, or other forums, yet many of the dicks who have come here dont, and no one ask them to which is crazy and stupid. Digital Press, the Neo forums, etc all have a feedback system of some sort in place. We don't, and the market system here has always suffered as long as I have been here due to the lack of it. I mean, we are talking since 2005 here.
By the time they make it to the required post count you should be able to filter out if they are a dick or not. Bad members hardly ever make it past the first 50 post, and dealers for profit only will never make it past that either because they want to just make money and move along. Yes, I know that sucks for the one 3rd minority here who wants to buy up whatever shit is brought in, but lets face it, shit would be a lot calmer around here if a more strict rule set was in place. All the bullshit is just a distraction, and to the casual viewer, seeing it take place outside of FS gives the forum a bad image.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: tggodfrey on December 23, 2012, 07:20:56 PM
shit would be a lot calmer around here if a more strict rule set was in place. All the bullshit is just a distraction, and to the casual viewer, seeing it take place outside of FS gives the forum a bad image.
Wow. pot meet kettle. Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 23, 2012, 07:53:44 PM
Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?
Professor is the urinal; I'm the toilet. But that's OK. See, we hire Esteban to follow us around and do damage control, cheering people up with his funny pictures. Unfortunately, poor old Esty is maxed out and the server limits how many times he can paste that Bonk smiley in a day, which is why we need to pinch the sphincter on the a$$hole Recruitment Center, AKA, the sale forums.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 23, 2012, 08:14:08 PM
shit would be a lot calmer around here if a more strict rule set was in place. All the bullshit is just a distraction, and to the casual viewer, seeing it take place outside of FS gives the forum a bad image.
Wow. pot meet kettle. Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?
When you can find someone WHO WAS NOT ON THE FIRST PAGE BEGGING FOR A FREE TRINKET FROM NAZI NICK'S RAFFLE (you were on the first page, and thus carry no weight with me, and don't qualify since you knew this clown was a a$$hole from jump street due to his other post), and have them provide me with a compiled list of my supposed endless complaints I have posted, that somehow happen to far exceed and trump everyone else's here, by doing a side by side comparison with a graph chart and scientific data, lmk. I average 2 post a day, and I don't maintain any hate on ebay reseller threads, so I am sure this will be a easy task for your champion to complete. Thanks for your interest though guy.
EDIT: And just to add, anyone wanting to criticize me and protest my supposed endless complaints along with tggodfrey here, you can go pound salt in Hades while suffering a giant rubber dong up your ass for eternity for all the good it will do you, because nothing you say will carry any weight with me either on the subject. Half the people here saw Nazi Nick's f*cking melt down and the shity treatment towards Bernie prior to said raffle and sales. Bernie, who GAVE far far more to this community then Nazi Nick ever did, was tossed aside, abandoned, in favor of some a$$hole simply because the guy was offering something shiny and new.
Many here decided to toss Bernie under the f*cking bus for a pretty trinket UP UNTIL it ended up said obvious a$$hole just also happens to be a racist, and even after that many still wanted to continue on like all was well. EVERYTHING was good up until that moment for most involved. Some at least saw the error of their ways. A few knew it was all f*cked up from the get go and stood up for Bernie. So for anyone who wants to complain about me, who also happen to be one of the ones who signed up on that raffle and stood aside while that shit went down, because they wanted some dumb f*cking neon sign, what does that say about your character and convictions exactly? Yeah, f*cking thought so. And now you have the same selfish a$$holes posting and voting in here, getting irked that there is a slight, yet possible, risk that they may lose their shot at getting more shit from similar a$$holes, regardless of what others in the community may have to contend with, because their vast and endless greed trumps all else. Am I surprised? No, not in the least.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 23, 2012, 09:17:23 PM
now a feedback system i fully support.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Bernie on December 23, 2012, 11:29:25 PM
Ditto. It would be nice to have a feedback system. :) So when guys like Canada ship in a cornflakes box, we can share. lol. I stil cannot believe that guy did that!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on December 24, 2012, 12:15:01 AM
Half the people here saw Nazi Nick's f*cking melt down and the shity treatment towards Bernie prior to said raffle and sales. Bernie, who GAVE far far more to this community then Nazi Nick ever did, was tossed aside, abandoned, in favor of some a$$hole simply because the guy was offering something shiny and new.
Many here decided to toss Bernie under the f*cking bus for a pretty trinket UP UNTIL it ended up said obvious a$$hole just also happens to be a racist, and even after that many still wanted to continue on like all was well.
QFT. And that's the reason that "self-policing" will never work around here.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 24, 2012, 01:03:03 AM
How is it not working?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on December 24, 2012, 02:27:49 AM
Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?
Professor is the urinal; I'm the toilet. But that's OK. See, we hire Esteban to follow us around and do damage control, cheering people up with his funny pictures. Unfortunately, poor old Esty is maxed out and the server limits how many times he can paste that Bonk smiley in a day, which is why we need to pinch the sphincter on the a$$hole Recruitment Center, AKA, the sale forums.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 24, 2012, 05:55:07 AM
this thread sucks. it's just causing conflict between members and is not productive at all seeing as everyone has atotally different opinion on the subject and the poll options are one sided. aaron can't even do regular updates on the forum so the chances of any substantial changes are little to none.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 24, 2012, 07:27:52 AM
Conflict isn't necessarily a bad thing. "Conflict between members" is why we don't have neo nazis and gougers shipping games in corn flake boxes. Conflict can also build relationships. Friends aren't always made by being Mr. Nice Guy. Sometimes you have to duke it out first.
Will any change come from this thread? Probably not, but the "militant mods" thread accomplished something. And Aaron recently poked his head in and hooked up his Duo to play MSR, so you never know.
Regardless, I could read threads like this all day:
you can go pound salt in Hades while suffering a giant rubber dong up your ass for eternity for all the good it will do you,
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 24, 2012, 08:11:46 AM
this thread sucks. it's just causing conflict between members and is not productive at all seeing as everyone has atotally different opinion on the subject and the poll options are one sided. aaron can't even do regular updates on the forum so the chances of any substantial changes are little to none.
The poll options were not one sided. They specifically asked if there should be a rule set implemented, and if so, what types, and there was a option for those opposed, who don't agree at all that anything should be implemented and enforced (for mostly obvious f*cking reasons). It just so happens that only one 3rd seem to support the last option and think this thread sucks, and that the majority DO WANT some kind of rule set and enforcement put in place of some type.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 24, 2012, 08:29:09 AM
The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love a$$holes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 24, 2012, 08:33:03 AM
The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love a$$holes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.
exactly its either you go along with profs idea or you love a$$holes so how is that not one sided. there have been plenty of new members with successful sales rid of drama and non gouging prices.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Sparky on December 24, 2012, 09:08:26 AM
f*ck lets not get into this on Xmas eve, your right punk there are some good noobs out there selling but there is a hell of a track record this year of bad ones! I wish Nat would come back as he was a great mod, and a good voice for the majority on those new guy sellers that needed some direction :P.... All I want for Xmas is a mod with a voice.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 24, 2012, 09:10:05 AM
The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love a$$holes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.
exactly is either you go along with profs idea or you love a$$hole so how is that not one sided. there have been plenty of new members with successful sales vid of drama and non for prices.
Given this poll has run for 9 days and no ones popped on to specifically post saying thats why they have not voted, thats just speculation in favor of the minority, implying its far larger then what it obviously is. The fact is, not having a dealer rule set in place has supported the current a$$hole reseller problem currently on hand. Buying from said a$$holes means supporting said a$$holes, because you are doing exactly what they want. The main buyers from them seem to be the minority. You may not like the wording, because its brutal honesty doesn't paint said whining minority in a positive light, but sorry, there's no way you can spin that shit any other way.
There is NOTHING positive about buying from, and thus supporting, noob brat a$$hole resellers. They come here and get exactly what they want. It sends the wrong message, that they can come here, walk all over anyone they choose, then leave, and the bulk of us will put up with it so that the few who bought from them can get their supposed good deals (that have to be haggled for half the time anyway and end up just being ebay prices mainly). A rule set in place would, if not eliminate it completely, then at least minimize these issues. Those who love buying games from people will still be able to do so from said new sellers willing to stick it out and go through the proper process. Those not willing to stick it out, they can be shown the door. This kind of system works on multiple other FAR LARGER forums. There is ZERO reason why it would not work here as well. No ones asking moderators to step in and suggest pricing, trade values, etc. Just simply set up some requirements and enforce them regarding new people joining here.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 24, 2012, 10:59:10 AM
Would some one please just make Mike a mod so we won't have to deal with this shit anymore?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 24, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love a$$holes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.
exactly is either you go along with profs idea or you love a$$hole so how is that not one sided. there have been plenty of new members with successful sales vid of drama and non for prices.
Given this poll has run for 9 days and no ones popped on to specifically post saying thats why they have not voted, thats just speculation in favor of the minority, implying its far larger then what it obviously is. The fact is, not having a dealer rule set in place has supported the current a$$hole reseller problem currently on hand. Buying from said a$$holes means supporting said a$$holes, because you are doing exactly what they want. The main buyers from them seem to be the minority. You may not like the wording, because its brutal honesty doesn't paint said whining minority in a positive light, but sorry, there's no way you can spin that shit any other way.
There is NOTHING positive about buying from, and thus supporting, noob brat a$$hole resellers. They come here and get exactly what they want. It sends the wrong message, that they can come here, walk all over anyone they choose, then leave, and the bulk of us will put up with it so that the few who bought from them can get their supposed good deals (that have to be haggled for half the time anyway and end up just being ebay prices mainly). A rule set in place would, if not eliminate it completely, then at least minimize these issues. Those who love buying games from people will still be able to do so from said new sellers willing to stick it out and go through the proper process. Those not willing to stick it out, they can be shown the door. This kind of system works on multiple other FAR LARGER forums. There is ZERO reason why it would not work here as well. No ones asking moderators to step in and suggest pricing, trade values, etc. Just simply set up some requirements and enforce them regarding new people joining here.
That is exactly why I didn't vote
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 26, 2012, 05:52:38 AM
i too didnt vote for the same reason
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: RoyVegas on December 26, 2012, 06:24:38 AM
I did vote but I wasn't a fan of the options.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Keith Courage on December 26, 2012, 06:38:03 AM
I think anyone regaurdless of being new or not has a right to sell their stuff. If they are asking too much money then it's easy to just not buy instead of making someone out as being an a$$hole. It's also easy to decide not to purchase anything based on trust. So it is the buyers choice wheather to purchase anything or not. No one is forcing the members here to buy what is for sale.
Why is it a problem if someone buys a few games at a yard sale and then comes here to sell them at a small profit? Especially if said game or games are hard to find ones. This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere.
This is why I voted for a$$holes since it was the closest option.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: DarkKobold on December 26, 2012, 06:50:26 AM
This is why I voted for a$$holes since it was the closest option.
This is a great out of context quote.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 26, 2012, 09:01:16 AM
I think anyone regaurdless of being new or not has a right to sell their stuff. If they are asking too much money then it's easy to just not buy instead of making someone out as being an a$$hole. It's also easy to decide not to purchase anything based on trust. So it is the buyers choice wheather to purchase anything or not. No one is forcing the members here to buy what is for sale.
Why is it a problem if someone buys a few games at a yard sale and then comes here to sell them at a small profit? Esepcially if said game or games are hard to find ones. This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere.
This is why I voted for a$$holes since it was the closest option.
One problem here is with your opening statement. Yes, they have a right to sell them in general. They have ebay, craigslist, etc. But here no one should simply feel they are entitled to sell anything right from the get go, yet you have people signing up here and pulling shit they obviously would not get away with on any other forum (and no I am not referring to the prices).
This is a forum. Rights are not handed out here freely. You don't have unlimited freedom of speech, freedom to do as you want, where you want, when you want, posting exactly what you want, whether it be porn or whatever on this forum. There are rules and limits, but unfortunately when Nanto tossed the sales section together he didn't have the forethought to put any in place really on this part of the forum, and the fact that you are not even hearing any opinions from mods on this matter right now is damning in and of itself.
Also, sadly its not like anyone is making anyone out to be a a$$hole. Their posting behavior, constant contradicting, packing jobs, and double dealing is what makes them an a$$hole. I really don't care where said person got said games, nor that they come here to sell them. You are turning this into a "not being able to sell at all" sort of thing, which it is not. Its called a restriction for new accounts.
As said prior multiple times, a small post count requirement and being able to provide references works out well on multiple other forums. Many have a feedback system too in place to post positive feedback for buyers and seller, or to report problems so it will be on record. Or, hell even in the extreme case of Vogons, you have no "for sale" section at all, and by proxy, ZERO issues there concerning the matters this forum has currently been facing in the sales section.
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This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere.
Also, so far pretty much everything being posted here for sale on PCE and Tg16 can be found elsewhere, so that is really a non-existent issue. Between ebay, craigslist, amazon, rakuten, yahoo japan, other game forums, etc, pretty much everything can be found for a price, and given the recent trend, when people bring the stuff here, no one has really been saving any big bucks, especially on the rarer top tier titles. Everyone is expecting BIN, or near BIN prices, and you are getting less protection as a buyer because you are doing blind buys from unproven sellers.
For some people, a few in the minorities, I'd say their hate of ebay even has made them so blind to the facts and desperate that they are willing to rely on these shady or unproven sources regardless. Buyers out on the fringe of the market place, basically willing to do anything to avoid buying on ebay because of supposed resellers trumped up prices, in the end supporting the same exact resellers anyway because those said people are coming here after not finding buyers on ebay. Its stupidity at its worst, and a few of you are actively taking part in it often here.
Steve and other guy who I forgot to remember the name of, if I added your "against rules in place" votes to the tally, it would be 33 votes in favor of, and 19 against now. Still quite a minority concerning those who are opposed.
NOTE: Just to be a smart ass, its very possible there are those in favor of a rule set being put in place, but simply did not vote because I was the one who started the poll. Its also possible the same people didn't vote because the sky wasn't green last thursday, or two weeks ago ground beef wasn't on sale at their local market. Its also very possible that after a certain point, the numbers don't f*cking matter, because you obviously have a large enough chunk of people here flat out saying there's something broken here that needs to be fixed, and their complaints are being attacked by a few who possibly have their own agenda, and by others who are simply paranoid that no one will sell games here anymore if they have to actually participate in the forum.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 26, 2012, 09:06:23 AM
Ok it's settled! ProfessorProfessorson is always right! /end thread
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 26, 2012, 09:07:15 AM
I think anyone regaurdless of being new or not has a right to sell their stuff. If they are asking too much money then it's easy to just not buy instead of making someone out as being an a$$hole. It's also easy to decide not to purchase anything based on trust. So it is the buyers choice wheather to purchase anything or not. No one is forcing the members here to buy what is for sale.
Why is it a problem if someone buys a few games at a yard sale and then comes here to sell them at a small profit? Esepcially if said game or games are hard to find ones. This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere.
This is why I voted for a$$holes since it was the closest option.
You're completely missing the point. The issue isn't prices or profits or PCEFX members making new sellers out to be a$$holes (although it's happened and you're welcome to start a new topic), it's that many members who join to sell ARE a$$holes. Fact: Xray, Canada, Enix, Johnny Blaze, Saturn, Retrohungry, et al. have left a negative impact on a lot of people. Adding a probationary period or post requirement is a logical way of preventing future innocents.
Now, if it's not a concern for you and you don't mind sifting through noob diapers for an occasional golden nugget, that's fine, but don't ignore eight pages of evidence and claim that sellers can do no wrong.
Finally, since you guys keep missing the point and bringing up prices and profits, I'm going to take issue with your hypothetical yard sale example. Yes, there is something wrong with buying unwanted games to resell them for a "small profit". And there's something wrong with DK's friend who sits at work refreshing his browser every 15 minutes looking to flip newly listed BINs. It's everyday greed. I've been guilty of it too and it's not the worst thing in the world, but it's ruining our hobby. There's no "cartel" and no grand conspiracy to blame for hyper inflation, impossible-to-find games, and our 200+ gouging thread, just lots of greedy commoners and business as usual. And let's not minimize their effect with this "small profit" nonsense. Anyone who's signing up on the PCEFX forums to flip games they bought at a rummage sale is not a casual schmuck. They're most likely active dealers/collectors who know exactly what the games sell for and are seeking to maximize profits. Easy bulk sales and no fees provide a good incentive for resellers to join here. They may not get as much as they can eventually gouge on ebay if they let a BIN sit for weeks, but there are enough impatient collectors here to give them more than the auction rate. All they have to do is ask for $5 less than the BIN du jour and they're guaranteed a quick sale. This may be easy to justify on a small scale, but it's the same mentality that drives people like Alexsduo's contact sitting on 7 copies of MC for "investment purposes." When you defend this with your Normal-Rockwell examples and free market rhetoric, you're advocating greed.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on December 26, 2012, 12:00:44 PM
In case it wasn't clear on page 1 and 2 of this thread, I am in favor of restrictions. Yes, I know that some folks will simply post garbage/filler until they reach the minimum post limit, but at least it will filter out a few charlatans.
Realistically, I don't know if this restriction will solve our problems, or if it will be implemented, but I'm willing to give it a try. The Grand Experiment, as it were.
I WANT ME SOME NUGGETS.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: DarkKobold on December 26, 2012, 12:24:40 PM
You're completely missing the point. The issue isn't prices or profits or PCEFX members making new sellers out to be a$$holes (although it's happened and you're welcome to start a new topic), it's that many members who join to sell ARE a$$holes. Fact: Xray, Canada, Enix, Johnny Blaze, Saturn, Retrohungry, et al. have left a negative impact on a lot of people.
Oh please. Aside from the one racist guy, none of these guys were anything more than slight irritants. In reality, the threads when a new seller like Saturn start provide the old guys something to do. You of all people should talk, seeing as you got your rocks off by going in that thread and exacerbating the situation, and inciting a flame war with the seller. Now you come out with a "think of the children" style rhetorical that is laughably pathetic.
Finally, since you guys keep missing the point and bringing up prices and profits, I'm going to take issue with your hypothetical yard sale example. Yes, there is something wrong with buying unwanted games to resell them for a "small profit". And there's something wrong with DK's friend who sits at work refreshing his browser every 15 minutes looking to flip newly listed BINs. It's everyday greed. I've been guilty of it too and it's not the worst thing in the world, but it's ruining our hobby. There's no "cartel" and no grand conspiracy to blame for hyper inflation, impossible-to-find games, and our 200+ gouging thread, just lots of greedy commoners and business as usual. And let's not minimize their effect with this "small profit" nonsense. Anyone who's signing up on the PCEFX forums to flip games they bought at a rummage sale is not a casual schmuck. They're most likely active dealers/collectors who know exactly what the games sell for and are seeking to maximize profits. Easy bulk sales and no fees provide a good incentive for resellers to join here. They may not get as much as they can eventually gouge on ebay if they let a BIN sit for weeks, but there are enough impatient collectors here to give them more than the auction rate. All they have to do is ask for $5 less than the BIN du jour and they're guaranteed a quick sale. This may be easy to justify on a small scale, but it's the same mentality that drives people like Alexsduo's contact sitting on 7 copies of MC for "investment purposes." When you defend this with your Normal-Rockwell examples and free market rhetoric, you're advocating greed.
Way to evoke two logical fallacies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
I'm sure your response to me will be littered with this fallacy as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
If anything, new seller threads create drama in this forum, which attracts some of the older forum members like moths to a flame, even if they aren't buying. They show up in droves to offer their two cents lambasting the most recent new seller.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: HercTNT on December 26, 2012, 01:22:59 PM
Ok it's settled! ProfessorProfessorson is always right! /end thread
Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Mathius on December 26, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
I don't care for a lot of the personalities over at Neo-Geo.com but their feedback system is nice. Implement something like that please.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Arkhan on December 26, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
Even DigitalPiss has a feedback system!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 26, 2012, 08:27:53 PM
Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 26, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means?
So basically in your lame little imaginary world you consider me in the ranks of the like of a comic book character, Batman in this case, and somehow imagine yourself and a few others as equals to said characters villains that he opposes, that also happen to terrorize the city Gotham. Does that explain why over the years you've just happened to be a dick face in general to random people, because you consider yourself as some PCEFX super villain, similar to the Joker? In your mind this forum is your Gotham, and you spend time pulling off what you deem epic hijinks that always end in fail? Ahh well, at least you're being honest with yourself here.
edit: just for you and your imaginary gang of villains Zeta.
Aside from the one racist guy, none of these guys were anything more than slight irritants.
So... two of my examples were before your time, the racist guy was a freak anomaly, and the noob seller insulting a member's wife in his signature is a "slight irritant." Gotcha. Thanks for your input. Go tell that to the husband.
Instead of linking freshman bullshit on wikipedia, try stringing a couple sentences together, staying on topic, and making a point for once in your life. There's a difference between a microcosm and a slippery slope. The human-waste resellers squabbling over garage sale toys at 6:30AM are EXACTLY the same as the POS investor sitting on seven copies of MC. If you gave two shits about gaming you wouldn't be defending them. The chance of KC's hypothetical, non-nonchalant shopper finding cheap TG games in the wild, knowing what they are, knowing what they're worth, not wanting to play them, and waiting for an account activation at PCEFX to resell them to strangers for a "small" profit is nil. Sure, it's hard to pass a deal when it stares you straight in the face, but the motivation is greed and anyone signing up here for that reason is 99% likely to be an actively gouging douche. Gouging douches are usually a$$holes. Let's make them get a hundred posts under their belt so we don't get the first-post sales and second-post F-bombs like we saw here last week.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on December 27, 2012, 01:03:39 PM
DK is all about the buying & selling, so the last thing that he wants is an obstacle between himself and someone trying to take his money. The fact that he's constantly so out of touch with what's going on around here certainly supports that theory.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 27, 2012, 06:59:20 PM
wasnt the racist the same one that insulted the wife?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 27, 2012, 08:04:16 PM
Xray was the racist; Canada had the special signature.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell cra
Post by: esteban on December 27, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
Ok it's settled! ProfessorProfessorson is always right! /end thread
Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means?
This isn't exactly something that was just recently brought up with the creation of this thread. We've been asking/PMing/f*cking begging the powers that be here for similar systems in order to keep track of new people that come in here looking to take advantage of the community. A thread from over two years ago talked about the same idea, and a mod (Nat) actually mentioned that he would run some ideas past Aaron. We never heard anything after that. About our only shot is having a reputable member or moderator with close connection to Aaron get his attention and get him to make a change or appoint someone to do it.
Ok it's settled! ProfessorProfessorson is always right! /end thread
Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means?
This isn't exactly something that was just recently brought up with the creation of this thread. We've been asking/PMing/f*cking begging the powers that be here for similar systems in order to keep track of new people that come in here looking to take advantage of the community. A thread from over two years ago talked about the same idea, and a mod (Nat) actually mentioned that he would run some ideas past Aaron. We never heard anything after that. About our only shot is having a reputable member or moderator with close connection to Aaron get his attention and get him to make a change or appoint someone to do it.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 28, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Yeah, I see. The one where he didn't have the time to care because he was out of touch or something or another. Its easy to not see a problem or care when you don't have an attachment to your own user base.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: HercTNT on December 28, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
People can come to this site with their turbo/Pce hardware and literally have it resurrected from death. Systems can not only be fixed like new, but modded to perform even better than the original. How can even the most jaded of old timers not appreciate that, let alone advancements made in just the last year. you can now buy cheap flash cards, Larger better screens for your portable, controller ports, rechargeable batteries, etc....... I'm not sure how many other sights offer this same level of technical and community support. I do know that i for one, am impressed by what people here are capable of. I'm also thrilled to be able to get amazing deals on games that I have not been able to get anywhere else. Maybe this is huge wishful thinking on my part, but I would want to protect that, then let this place turn into a dumping ground for greedy sellers and demanding noobs. Its obvious that there are huge differences in opinions on what needs to be done here. I just hope that everyone understands this site does have alot more to offer than just cheap games or flashy trinkets.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on December 28, 2012, 06:29:27 PM
Herc that's an excellent point. To this day I cherish the friendships, knowledge, and all around GREAT times I've had here over the years and shared with all of you. We've seen many milestones that were just too awesome to forget.
Off the top of my head:
-D-Lite (Both positives and negatives) -Moderator Impeached -Nintega -My pal Mike kicking ass and taking names in defense of others -Fighting Street is Born -a$$hole f*cked Me Over -Advancements in Tech Work (Via Oustanding individuals like Keith, Beemer, Steve, and others) -Sparky -Homebrew Releases -Ark Vs Roy -SeymorOnion -JelloSlug (fingers crossed) -The PCEFX Raffle is born -Turbobs! -PCEFX Secret Santa is born -Great deals by sellers for buyers (and paying it forward) -PCEFX Blackout Scare of 2011 ...and many more I didn't mention or yet to come; wouldn't miss it for the world!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on December 28, 2012, 06:32:26 PM
Unfortunately, I think we're just going to have to live with the fact that there are always going to be newb dumpers coming around, and there is always going to be a subculture of people here who are willing to deal with them because they want a complete collection above all else. Some guys have deep pockets and just don't give a shit, and that's why the dumpers keep coming around.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 28, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
We could just blame it all on Darkkobold. God knows he'd have it coming.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on December 28, 2012, 06:49:26 PM
Unfortunately, I think we're just going to have to live with the fact that there are always going to be newb dumpers coming around, and there is always going to be a subculture of people here who are willing to deal with them because they want a complete collection above all else. Some guys have deep pockets and just don't give a shit, and that's why the dumpers keep coming around.
Chris
Yeah, I accepted that two years ago with that exchange with Aaron. You're absolutely right, Chris. Most of the time, I have been indifferent, hell, I tried to diffuse the Sega situation. With this last guy, I felt compelled to break my neutrality about it because of my previous back and forth with him on Ebay and it bothered me that much that he came here with his pompous attitude that I baited him to show here for you all. On a side note, I love how he mentioned that everything was "sold" but what he really did was take what was left of the lot and reposted it back to Ebay. (Oh yes he DID!) So I'm glad he people didn't get screwed and the ones who did buy, more power to them, they seem to have gotten good deals. I may or may not be vocal with the next guy as at the end of the day, I trust my friends here to smell the cheese but not fall for the trap. =P
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 28, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
much of my mod/repair work comes from nubes, without issues
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: BigusSchmuck on December 29, 2012, 05:04:58 AM
Lets not forget the schmuck who put my personal info up just because his games didn't get there fast enough. *shiver* At least now hes somewhat reformed.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SegaSaturn51195 on December 29, 2012, 05:45:39 AM
If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: thesteve on December 29, 2012, 06:05:55 AM
perhaps a simple dont feed the trolls, is a better policy.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Bernie on December 29, 2012, 06:39:10 AM
If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.
Hold on now SS. While his idea may not be perfect, I do agree that something should be put in place. You may have had some decent deals with some folks here, myself included, however your attitude in your sales thread was a huge turn off.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 29, 2012, 09:47:25 AM
Herc that's an excellent point. To this day I cherish the friendships, knowledge, and all around GREAT times I've had here over the years and shared with all of you. We've seen many milestones that were just too awesome to forget.
Off the top of my head:
-D-Lite (Both positives and negatives) -Moderator Impeached -Nintega -My pal Mike kicking ass and taking names in defense of others -Fighting Street is Born -a$$hole f*cked Me Over -Advancements in Tech Work (Via Oustanding individuals like Keith, Beemer, Steve, and others) -Sparky -Homebrew Releases -Ark Vs Roy -SeymorOnion -JelloSlug (fingers crossed) -The PCEFX Raffle is born -Turbobs! -PCEFX Secret Santa is born -Great deals by sellers for buyers (and paying it forward) -PCEFX Blackout Scare of 2011 ...and many more I didn't mention or yet to come; wouldn't miss it for the world!
That stuff is all great, really it is, but WTF does it have to do with this topic? I mean, you want to "protect" all that as if its...threatened or something? I don't get it. I don't see dumper noobs as being likely to make that go away. In fact, much of that stuff was spawned, directly or indirect, by noob/dumper culture. Raffles for example, would they feel so good if there weren't so many greedy a$$holes around here? Roy is a constant source if amusement and he's the absolute personification of "shitty forum member".
I think we might actually need the a$$holes. By the standards if other forums we ARE the a$$holes.
Ark is basically a superhero to us, but he's banned from some other more sophisticated forums (ones with feedback systems and seller qualifications). Mike has done at least as much stalking as Nintenga. Sure, it's mostly benifitial, but it doesn't make it any less asbo. He scours the Internet HARD for info on basically everyone. I've never f*cked over anyone on this forum, never overplayed or overcharged, never did shifty mod work, never brought anyone's family members into flame wars, never said anything racist or homophobic, yet that dude is posting photoshopped pictures of me that I don't even know where he even got. He's an obsessed vigilante nut ball. That would not be taken lightly on many many other forums. If he's got a secret file on me, then he's got one for all of us. If this forum were somehow absorbed into another website (remember when that was happening?) pretty much ALL the old members would be banned for being antagonistic foul mouthed a$$holes. The noobs would probably safe though, since all they want to do is buy and sell and capitalism is very popular.
Anyway, this place is great. I say we learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, learn to take care of ourselves. The vast majority of the "f*cking over" is self inflicted anyway. It's mostly noobs with overhyped US stuff screwing over other, more or less equally noob collector types who want to complete a US set of a system in a short span of time. You rarely hear about people getting the bad end of a deal on Kaze Kiri or Drac X, it's almost always to do with a cardboard box or something stupid like that.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: HercTNT on December 29, 2012, 10:00:16 AM
If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.
You have not been here long enough to have an opinion like that unless you have a bitter axe to grind. Its not like your comment is way off base or anything like that, just kinda ignorant.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on December 29, 2012, 10:18:58 AM
If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.
Three threads on PCEFX: "Should we require a post count to inhibit a$$hole noob resellers like SegaSaturn51195?" SegaSaturn51195: "No."
Thanks for your input!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 29, 2012, 11:03:39 AM
Herc that's an excellent point. To this day I cherish the friendships, knowledge, and all around GREAT times I've had here over the years and shared with all of you. We've seen many milestones that were just too awesome to forget.
Off the top of my head:
-D-Lite (Both positives and negatives) -Moderator Impeached -Nintega -My pal Mike kicking ass and taking names in defense of others -Fighting Street is Born -a$$hole f*cked Me Over -Advancements in Tech Work (Via Oustanding individuals like Keith, Beemer, Steve, and others) -Sparky -Homebrew Releases -Ark Vs Roy -SeymorOnion -JelloSlug (fingers crossed) -The PCEFX Raffle is born -Turbobs! -PCEFX Secret Santa is born -Great deals by sellers for buyers (and paying it forward) -PCEFX Blackout Scare of 2011 ...and many more I didn't mention or yet to come; wouldn't miss it for the world!
That stuff is all great, really it is, but WTF does it have to do with this topic? I mean, you want to "protect" all that as if its...threatened or something? I don't get it. I don't see dumper noobs as being likely to make that go away. In fact, much of that stuff was spawned, directly or indirect, by noob/dumper culture. Raffles for example, would they feel so good if there weren't so many greedy a$$holes around here? Roy is a constant source if amusement and he's the absolute personification of "shitty forum member".
I think we might actually need the a$$holes. By the standards if other forums we ARE the a$$holes.
Ark is basically a superhero to us, but he's banned from some other more sophisticated forums (ones with feedback systems and seller qualifications). Mike has done at least as much stalking as Nintenga. Sure, it's mostly benifitial, but it doesn't make it any less asbo. He scours the Internet HARD for info on basically everyone. I've never f*cked over anyone on this forum, never overplayed or overcharged, never did shifty mod work, never brought anyone's family members into flame wars, never said anything racist or homophobic, yet that dude is posting photoshopped pictures of me that I don't even know where he even got. He's an obsessed vigilante nut ball. That would not be taken lightly on many many other forums. If he's got a secret file on me, then he's got one for all of us. If this forum were somehow absorbed into another website (remember when that was happening?) pretty much ALL the old members would be banned for being antagonistic foul mouthed a$$holes. The noobs would probably safe though, since all they want to do is buy and sell and capitalism is very popular.
Anyway, this place is great. I say we learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, learn to take care of ourselves. The vast majority of the "f*cking over" is self inflicted anyway. It's mostly noobs with over hyped US stuff screwing over other, more or less equally noob collector types who want to complete a US set of a system in a short span of time. You rarely hear about people getting the bad end of a deal on Kaze Kiri or Drac X, it's almost always to do with a cardboard box or something stupid like that.
Are you, idk, actually wallowing in self-pity here? Besides the whole "I didn't do anything to anyone" bit which is laughable at best because you've picked countless fights with people at every turn (most of which you lose unless the member is a noob or something), ragging on people for their complaints, then passing off said complaints as your own on your podcast, you also stalk certain members at every turn. You don't see me posting in or following up on your threads much, right? Yet you seem to have this creepy thing going on where you will be tailing my post and threads often, much in the same way someone like Nintega would. Is it because you just want any kind of attention at all, even if its bad? Do you somehow need me to notice you or something? You supposedly don't like me, so why follow me around so much creep? Just put me on ignore and move on. But no, somehow you envisioned this as some struggle the likes of which compares to Batman, with you in the role as the Joker, battling for high stakes. Unfortunately for you, you're just a hypocrite and nothing like the such occurs.
As for not ripping anyone off, no, it does not seem you have. But also, you actually have not DONE anything FOR anyone most of the time. No one ever sees you going out of your way to help anyone, and you have even been spotted at times posting telling people how f*cking stupid you think they are for paying what they did for certain games, like its any of your f*cking business to begin with. Its fairly simple Zeta, you don't want any conflict, you don't go looking for it. You good sir just happen to look for it often, and you do it because you are a dick, plain and simple. Seriously, try going 6 months without stalking ole Professor around the forums, commenting in mah threads, replying to mah post. For that matter, try to go 6 weeks even without just being a dick in general to some guy here. I seriously don't think you can manage it. If you want friends Zeta, you make friends. It will require you from downgrading your creep status though by about 70 percent at least, and to start getting emotionally invested in something here that is beneficial to most of the members.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on December 29, 2012, 11:44:39 AM
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That stuff is all great, really it is, but WTF does it have to do with this topic?
You DID see the context based on Herc's original comments right? TWTF it has to do with this topic. :)
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Mike has done at least as much stalking as Nintenga. Sure, it's mostly beneficial, but it doesn't make it any less asbo. He scours the Internet HARD for info on basically everyone. I've never f*cked over anyone on this forum, never overplayed or overcharged, never did shifty mod work, never brought anyone's family members into flame wars, never said anything racist or homophobic, yet that dude is posting photoshopped pictures of me that I don't even know where he even got. He's an obsessed vigilante nut ball. That would not be taken lightly on many many other forums. If he's got a secret file on me, then he's got one for all of us.
"So what I told was true...from a certain point of view"
Okay Zeta-Wan Kenobi, I don't know what the resentment is between you and Mike in detail (I don't have the time to go digging into ancient posts), but I do know this: You have to work really hard to make Mike dislike you as much as he probably does; Mike has always shown me a tremendous amount of attention, patience, and respect, so he has mine. No, I don't agree with everything he says but neither do I agree with things you say. It doesn't change the fact I also have respect for you too. I sense a disturbance in the force with the emotional tone above...as if you have spent a GREAT deal of time thinking about Mike, I guaranf*ckingtee you that Mike slept like a baby last night, and here you are going on about him obsessively. Could it be that either because I left you off the list or mentioned Mike, perhaps you felt insulted or nerve-struck somehow? Either way, none of us are angels here so stop with the sanctimonious self-assessment about what you think you haven't done to others on these forums... Love ya, Z :wink:
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Anyway, this place is great. I say we learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, learn to take care of ourselves.
Agreed on the first part and on the second part, disagree with the latter. There is always a way to take care of oneself while also bringing others up around you with you. Curious, are you a family man? If so, you'd then really know this...
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on December 29, 2012, 04:35:41 PM
I think by "learn to take care of ourselves" he meant collectively, as in not needing formal rules in place, rather than individually. Could be wrong, though.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 31, 2012, 05:52:56 PM
I think by "learn to take care of ourselves" he meant collectively, as in not needing formal rules in place, rather than individually. Could be wrong, though.
Chris
I honestly don't know WTF else I could have meant by that.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 31, 2012, 07:16:52 PM
Are you, idk, actually wallowing in self-pity here?
Um...pity? No.
See, this is where I wonder...why we understand each other so poorly. I don't mean "understand" as in "agree", I mean simply...I don't know WTF you are even talking about. WTF are you imagining I'm feeling sorry for myself for? I didn't make this post because I'm sad, I made this post as a response to your posts which I often hate and think are stupid.
My life is actually totally amazing right now. Without going into Neo-geo.com levels of obnoxious detail I'll just say that when I was younger I didn't actually think things would turn out this great. My biggest problem in life right is a toothache that only started a few days ago and until I can get to a dentist I'll have to avoid extremely cold drinks. That's it. That's my only worry. I mean, that's pretty amazing, honestly, you have to admit that. I've got nothing to feel sorry for myself for.
I see something stupid and I say, "That's f*cking dumb. Maybe if I say something about it he'll stop". Its really just that simple. Obviously I'm a bit dumb to think you'd ever shut up, but that really is the basic mechanism.
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you also stalk certain members at every turn.
Well, first off, unless by "members" you are referring to other shards of your multiple personality disorder, you're wrong. The only one here I specifically target is you. I do give a lot of shit to RoyVegas, but there is no need to follow him anywhere. All you need to do is mention his name and he'll find you. He's like Beatlejuice or some shit!
As for the verb, I don't think you know what "stalk" means. No, you must know what stalk means because they must have explained it to you in court.
I do not do Google searches for forum members. I do not bring up shit here that that originated on other forums or Youtube or whatever else. When a new member starts posting here I do not at once go about trying to figure out if he's a known bad guy previously banned somewhere else.
Saying "hi" or "go f*ck yourself" to someone at the mall is not stalking. Following them to the next public place and doing it again is. Doing detective work to find out their home address is completely over the line. I've never done a single one of these things, with you...it seems to be your number one hobby.
You have taken it upon yourself to be the PCEFX detective. You do actual research on the people behind the usernames. You follow them to and from other forums, to eBay, Facebook, etc. I never do this, you are always doing this.
When a new guy shows up on the forum and within three posts you know its some noob dumper who has already got the same shit for sale on a dozen other forums, or when its Nintega in disguise...a lot of people think that's really impressive (which it is) and beneficial (which it...often is) but its also COMPLETELY f*ckED UP. How much snooping and cataloging did you have to do to know that? A sane person with a life just doesn't have that in them. Shit, me writing this huge post just to you pretty much proves I need to get out more, but you've got to be spending 100x as much time on stalking all those dumpers and crooks and everyone else on your Enemies List.
Serious question: how do you organize the evidence? Is it just in a typical nested system of folders, or do you use a database program such as Microsoft Access or Filemaker Pro to handle all the shit? This is a serious question that I would like an answer to.
Another serious question: I never used the Shoutbox and was never really into IRC and the like. The realtime nature of that must be a real quandary. All that evidence just appearing and then going away forever. Have you ever devised a log system or maybe some sort of video capture solution so you could save that shit and throw it in people's faces months or years down the road if they cross the line? This is a serious question that I would also like an answer to.
Last serious question: If I do cross the line...how much shit do you have on me? I mean, if I mail a package two days late or a wire falls off a mod I did, how bad can you f*ck me? Do you know the address of where I work? I know you know my real name, my age, all that shit. You probably know my username on forums I haven't been to in years. How good are you?
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But no, somehow you envisioned this as some struggle the likes of which compares to Batman, with you in the role as the Joker, battling for high stakes.
Have you every actually read a Batman comic? I mean, I'm not a fan and haven't actually bought one in 20 years, but maybe you've seen the movies or something? Or maybe you just don't have the brain power to understand my Batman reference and you're starting to run away with it not even know WTF I meant. If the past is any indicator, soon there will be 15 level meta-referencial jokes based on your not getting my reference that nobody but you will understand so I'll try to explain myself and put an end to that as soon as possible.
A central tenant to the whole Batman thing since...I'd guess the mid-80s (also seen in Spiderman) is that while on the surface Batman is busting bad guys left and right that the cops won't or can't touch, he's also got a fairly huge number of enemies that wouldn't even exist without him. Batman is just as crazy and f*cked up as all the dumb-assed he's busting every day and maybe, just maybe, there're be a more peaceful world if the bad guys didn't have to kick everything they do up ten notches knowing they'll encounter Batman every time they try a heist. Guys end up bring a bazooka to a knife fight. Would Nintega be Nintega without you?
I do not see myself as the Joker. That's just stupid. You're not so stupid that you'd make that mistake except you're deliberately ignoring the crux of this reference. I'm more like...some random dude writing un-read letters to the Gotham Globe about how the dumpster outside my apartment has Two Face shaped dents in it thanks to that a$$hole Batman.
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As for not ripping anyone off, no, it does not seem you have. But also, you actually have not DONE anything FOR anyone most of the time. No one ever sees you going out of your way to help anyone
Really? I guess you need to stalk me more. I'm basically known as a decent and generous guy by most people I know. I guess I haven't done much that was both Turbo related and publicly displayed on this forum but...you aren't that all knowing. I could have donated last month's pay to charity, or I could have (like you) the skins of children drying in my attic. I'm not sure how you'd ever know, and I really don't see what the point is.
Basically, I crap on your posts because they are deranged. I'm not a huge fan of actual cops. Pathetic wannabe cops who try to bring some bullshit smack down of justice into whatever meek pathetic world of ego-less toadies that will have them...its disgusting.
This isn't GameFAQs or the Nickelodeon forums. Its not a top-down organization. It doesn't need your dumb-ass mall coping and it will ultimately get or not get its feedback system, minimum post count, whatever with or without your pleas for mod interference, admin involvement, software upgrades, or anything else. Honestly, you are an asset to this forum in a dozen ways, this hall monitor bullshit just isn't one of them.
I realize this is an extreme example, and I'll half-heartedly apologize in advance for this, but you're a lot closer to a George Zimmerman than a Trayvon Martin and that is why you make me sick.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on December 31, 2012, 08:44:23 PM
Are you, idk, actually wallowing in self-pity here?
Um...pity? No.
See, this is where I wonder...why we understand each other so poorly. I don't mean "understand" as in "agree", I mean simply...I don't know WTF you are even talking about. WTF are you imagining I'm feeling sorry for myself for? I didn't make this post because I'm sad, I made this post as a response to your posts which I often hate and think are stupid.
My life is actually totally amazing right now. Without going into Neo-geo.com levels of obnoxious detail I'll just say that when I was younger I didn't actually think things would turn out this great. My biggest problem in life right is a toothache that only started a few days ago and until I can get to a dentist I'll have to avoid extremely cold drinks. That's it. That's my only worry. I mean, that's pretty amazing, honestly, you have to admit that. I've got nothing to feel sorry for myself for.
I see something stupid and I say, "That's f*cking dumb. Maybe if I say something about it he'll stop". Its really just that simple. Obviously I'm a bit dumb to think you'd ever shut up, but that really is the basic mechanism.
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you also stalk certain members at every turn.
Well, first off, unless by "members" you are referring to other shards of your multiple personality disorder, you're wrong. The only one here I specifically target is you. I do give a lot of shit to RoyVegas, but there is no need to follow him anywhere. All you need to do is mention his name and he'll find you. He's like Beatlejuice or some shit!
As for the verb, I don't think you know what "stalk" means. No, you must know what stalk means because they must have explained it to you in court.
I do not do Google searches for forum members. I do not bring up shit here that that originated on other forums or Youtube or whatever else. When a new member starts posting here I do not at once go about trying to figure out if he's a known bad guy previously banned somewhere else.
Saying "hi" or "go f*ck yourself" to someone at the mall is not stalking. Following them to the next public place and doing it again is. Doing detective work to find out their home address is completely over the line. I've never done a single one of these things, with you...it seems to be your number one hobby.
You have taken it upon yourself to be the PCEFX detective. You do actual research on the people behind the usernames. You follow them to and from other forums, to eBay, Facebook, etc. I never do this, you are always doing this.
When a new guy shows up on the forum and within three posts you know its some noob dumper who has already got the same shit for sale on a dozen other forums, or when its Nintega in disguise...a lot of people think that's really impressive (which it is) and beneficial (which it...often is) but its also COMPLETELY f*ckED UP. How much snooping and cataloging did you have to do to know that? A sane person with a life just doesn't have that in them. Shit, me writing this huge post just to you pretty much proves I need to get out more, but you've got to be spending 100x as much time on stalking all those dumpers and crooks and everyone else on your Enemies List.
Serious question: how do you organize the evidence? Is it just in a typical nested system of folders, or do you use a database program such as Microsoft Access or Filemaker Pro to handle all the shit? This is a serious question that I would like an answer to.
Another serious question: I never used the Shoutbox and was never really into IRC and the like. The realtime nature of that must be a real quandary. All that evidence just appearing and then going away forever. Have you ever devised a log system or maybe some sort of video capture solution so you could save that shit and throw it in people's faces months or years down the road if they cross the line? This is a serious question that I would also like an answer to.
Last serious question: If I do cross the line...how much shit do you have on me? I mean, if I mail a package two days late or a wire falls off a mod I did, how bad can you f*ck me? Do you know the address of where I work? I know you know my real name, my age, all that shit. You probably know my username on forums I haven't been to in years. How good are you?
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But no, somehow you envisioned this as some struggle the likes of which compares to Batman, with you in the role as the Joker, battling for high stakes.
Have you every actually read a Batman comic? I mean, I'm not a fan and haven't actually bought one in 20 years, but maybe you've seen the movies or something? Or maybe you just don't have the brain power to understand my Batman reference and you're starting to run away with it not even know WTF I meant. If the past is any indicator, soon there will be 15 level meta-referencial jokes based on your not getting my reference that nobody but you will understand so I'll try to explain myself and put an end to that as soon as possible.
A central tenant to the whole Batman thing since...I'd guess the mid-80s (also seen in Spiderman) is that while on the surface Batman is busting bad guys left and right that the cops won't or can't touch, he's also got a fairly huge number of enemies that wouldn't even exist without him. Batman is just as crazy and f*cked up as all the dumb-assed he's busting every day and maybe, just maybe, there're be a more peaceful world if the bad guys didn't have to kick everything they do up ten notches knowing they'll encounter Batman every time they try a heist. Guys end up bring a bazooka to a knife fight. Would Nintega be Nintega without you?
I do not see myself as the Joker. That's just stupid. You're not so stupid that you'd make that mistake except you're deliberately ignoring the crux of this reference. I'm more like...some random dude writing un-read letters to the Gotham Globe about how the dumpster outside my apartment has Two Face shaped dents in it thanks to that a$$hole Batman.
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As for not ripping anyone off, no, it does not seem you have. But also, you actually have not DONE anything FOR anyone most of the time. No one ever sees you going out of your way to help anyone
Really? I guess you need to stalk me more. I'm basically known as a decent and generous guy by most people I know. I guess I haven't done much that was both Turbo related and publicly displayed on this forum but...you aren't that all knowing. I could have donated last month's pay to charity, or I could have (like you) the skins of children drying in my attic. I'm not sure how you'd ever know, and I really don't see what the point is.
Basically, I crap on your posts because they are deranged. I'm not a huge fan of actual cops. Pathetic wannabe cops who try to bring some bullshit smack down of justice into whatever meek pathetic world of ego-less toadies that will have them...its disgusting.
This isn't GameFAQs or the Nickelodeon forums. Its not a top-down organization. It doesn't need your dumb-ass mall coping and it will ultimately get or not get its feedback system, minimum post count, whatever with or without your pleas for mod interference, admin involvement, software upgrades, or anything else. Honestly, you are an asset to this forum in a dozen ways, this hall monitor bullshit just isn't one of them.
I realize this is an extreme example, and I'll half-heartedly apologize in advance for this, but you're a lot closer to a George Zimmerman than a Trayvon Martin and that is why you make me sick.
This has to be one of the most amazingly bloated, off the wall, retarded post I have ever seen you produce, and sad it will require such a giant wall of text to reply to it. Nothing like a hate/jealously filled super rant to get things off your chest ehh, trying to blame others forum activity, success and/or supposed popularity for your own shity forum behavior. So we are clear on the subject, thanks for confirming everything I stated prior. It really helps when you do it for me yourself. The fact remains, you do stalk me on this forum. You may not see it that way, but others do. You go out of your way to be a creep and follow my post and treads instead of simply putting me on ignore. You see a thread by me, and you jump in asap like a flies on shit, because you are addicted.
As stated prior, you make it pretty clear you are obsessed with me. Your words above all but scream it. And to answer one of your great questions, do I know your name, where you live, etc? No, why would I care about some two bit nothing who constantly tries to get attention by riding my coattails on a gaming forum. The difference between you and me is you actually care to know my name and use it often, and I don't give a f*ck who you are. Zeta, clown, Joker, wtf ever, you're not important enough in anything you do around here to warrant me caring to know any of that, which is again, why you don't see me tailing you in your threads, etc.
Also, so we are fairly clear on this too, the vast amounts of hours and days spent on super detective work you take great liberties to lay claim to on my end in fact amount to maybe a few mins on google or whatever here or there. Its really great that you think so much of me and my hard work that you are willing to trump it up one hundred fold, and accuse me of doing this to any new member that joins here, but the simple fact is only people who f*ck up drastically get any kind of looking in to by anyone here, and I am not the only one here who does this. And that in this day and age where data is everywhere for the taking, it doesn't take much effort to find something out if someone wants to know it. Just because you don't know how to effectively be civilized for long stretches, or use the internetz to its full capacity, does not mean no one else does. Don't be angry, just accept your limitations as a person and move on.
Contrary to the above that you stated, you clearly have some terrible pain going on with you besides some toothache. You act like a dick to people and pick countless fights, just as you are doing in this thread. You try to tear down people when you comment on their purchases among other things, like its any of your concern, let alone assuming other people you attack should care what you think. Like some wanna be, when you saw others agreeing with me on the Red Frog thing you changed your own tune and basically copied me word for word on your f*cking pod cast. Don't tell me that was a simple "cant beat'em, so join'em" personal moment you faced. It seemed to stem more from a desire to be noticed and liked, and it failed and you got called out for it. I would not be surprised if you do this often, but I cant be bothered to listen to anymore of your podcast or anything to find out.
As for people like you, Nintega, etc. You know, I was absent here for what, 2 years? In that time from what I hear you were still a dick, even without me to cry about. You didn't really contribute anything truly meaningful here it seems, by your own kinda sorta admission when you were comparing the knowing of others contributing and helping others here to keeping the skins of young children in your attic, but I mean, I wouldn't actually need you to admit that. The lack of such activity here on the forums is a testament to that. But I guess just showing up and being a pompous dick who feels they are above it all, including generosity amongst his fellow forum members, is good enough for you ehh? But hey, sure, lower that bar, you're too good for anything else. Is that it? Oh wait, nm, you may or may not donates hundreds to unknown charities, so its ok that you do nothing else around here but act like a cunt.
Speaking of Nintega, he came back, he was still a dick, just like he was a dick everywhere else before, and after, my involvement with him. Nintega was a dick with a rep far before he came here, it just happened to be that no one here was aware of it at the time. And he maintained this well after I was gone. Its easy for you to ignore this fact though when, regardless of whether you'd like to admit it or not, to quite a few, you're in the same ranks as him at times. Its just that he's far far more efficient and dedicated then you at what he does. You do it as a weekend warrior type gig. Maybe not for the exact same reasons either, but in the end, you reap what you sow around here, and you have gone out of your way to make more enemies then friends, and you and I, and many others here know this.
Also, your pic, the one for your retarded shooter award. You posted the pic here yourself. You don't like people using your pic to poke fun at you when you act like a dick or say stupid shit, don't post it then. Its that simple. You don't like things being used against you, well, maybe if you took the whiny bitch coattail riding attention grabbing angst against people thing down a few notches, maybe you'd find out people don't care to make fun of you anymore. Maybe they would eventually forget how much of a dick you tended to be. Anyway, in the end, you have made it painfully clear I do play some important role in your psyche here. You clearly hate me enough to follow me around for all time on this forum, and definitely enough that you'd compare me and anything I do here to the Zimmerman/Martin case. I cant even begin to fathom what kind of f*cked up mind or reasoning it takes for someone to draw up that kind of comparison, but since it was only you doing it, well, yeah.....
Edit: forgot to point out, Zeta, the fact that you took the time to type out that massive lash out when most everyone else here was spending New Years Eve hanging out with friends or family and enjoying the evening, well, I'm sure even you can see how pathetic that is. Did you not have anything better to do on New Years Eve, seriously?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: RoyVegas on January 01, 2013, 02:15:33 AM
I'm basically known as a decent and generous guy by most people I know. I guess I haven't done much that was both Turbo related and publicly displayed on this forum but...you aren't that all knowing. I could have donated last month's pay to charity, or I could have (like you) the skins of children drying in my attic. I'm not sure how you'd ever know, and I really don't see what the point is.
So, what your saying is, you shouldn't be judged by others here on these forums for what you do or don't do on these forums, because you're such a great guy offline. Yet on a constant basis you're judging others for their behavior online. Isn't that called hypocrisy? Jackass.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 01, 2013, 02:29:45 AM
jesus you guys are going to overload the servers with your 50+paragraph posts
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 01, 2013, 02:33:10 AM
I'm basically known as a decent and generous guy by most people I know. I guess I haven't done much that was both Turbo related and publicly displayed on this forum but...you aren't that all knowing. I could have donated last month's pay to charity, or I could have (like you) the skins of children drying in my attic. I'm not sure how you'd ever know, and I really don't see what the point is.
So, what your saying is, you shouldn't be judged by others here on these forums for what you do or don't do on these forums, because you're such a great guy offline. Yet on a constant basis you're judging others for their behavior online. Isn't that called hypocrisy? Jackass.
Better watch it, Zeta might go as far as to waste another holiday of his explaining in depth why you're his other mortal enemy or something. And besides going in detail about how much he hates you, he may quite possibly add in that he feels you're equal to, or worse then, Adam Lanza.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: RoyVegas on January 01, 2013, 02:46:05 AM
Better watch it, Zeta might go as far as to waste another holiday of his explaining in depth why you're his other mortal enemy or something. And besides going in detail about how much he hates you, he may quite possibly add in that he feels you're equal to, or worse then, Adam Lanza.
But but but, I do great things offline, it can't be true!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on January 01, 2013, 04:49:00 AM
Can we leave the guy alone?!? He takes his kids dirt biking, for Christ's sake! More saintly he simply could not be.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 01, 2013, 04:56:02 AM
Better watch it, Zeta might go as far as to waste another holiday of his explaining in depth why you're his other mortal enemy or something. And besides going in detail about how much he hates you, he may quite possibly add in that he feels you're equal to, or worse then, Adam Lanza.
But but but, I do great things offline, it can't be true!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Bernie on January 01, 2013, 06:20:09 AM
Who is that a pic of?
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Post by: esteban on January 01, 2013, 02:14:25 PM
[/carnage]
AND THUS THE EARTH SHUDDERED AND THE KOSMOS KLATTERED: I love Zeta and Mr. H. You f*ckin' bastards are both important to this place. Your feud is a butter knife to the threads of our community.
Carry on.
[carnage]
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on January 01, 2013, 03:15:17 PM
AND THUS THE EARTH SHUDDERED AND THE KOSMOS KLATTERED [carnage]
It's been awhile since these titans have clashed. Long ago, before the first noob crawled from the sludge, we were perfectly capable of entertaining ourselves around here.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on January 01, 2013, 05:45:51 PM
AND THUS THE EARTH SHUDDERED AND THE KOSMOS KLATTERED [carnage]
It's been awhile since these titans have clashed. Long ago, before the first noob crawled from the sludge, we were perfectly capable of entertaining ourselves around here.
SO SPEAKETH THE CAGEY SAGE
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 01, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 01, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
Shit, me writing this huge post just to you pretty much proves I need to get out more, but you've got to be spending 100x as much time on stalking all those dumpers and crooks and everyone else on your Enemies List.
Edit: forgot to point out, Zeta, the fact that you took the time to type out that massive lash out when most everyone else here was spending New Years Eve hanging out with friends or family and enjoying the evening, well, I'm sure even you can see how pathetic that is. Did you not have anything better to do on New Years Eve, seriously?
Posted 2 hours later in the middle of the night on New Year's Eve/New Year's Day. :clap:
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 04:21:58 AM
Edit: forgot to point out, Zeta, the fact that you took the time to type out that massive lash out when most everyone else here was spending New Years Eve hanging out with friends or family and enjoying the evening, well, I'm sure even you can see how pathetic that is. Did you not have anything better to do on New Years Eve, seriously?
Posted 2 hours later in the middle of the night on New Year's Eve/New Year's Day. :clap:
Yeah, basically in between some work when my kids and I were done hanging out for the night. You know, almost 2am/3am, when kids either are in bed or are munchin on snacks and on their xbaux playing Halo 4 or sumthin. Do you force your children to hang out with you all night or something on into the early morning hours? You do realize that would not be considered normal, right? I also realize you forgot, but I work nights on into the early hours of the morning, and set my own hours for my work. Much like other people in the real world, I do work partially on some holidays. I was also on yahoo talking to Herc also while typing said post and working. Big difference there between specifically blowing New Years Eve on a post when I could spend it with friends or family, and actually waiting to post until the night is basically over with and its the early morning and I am casually working on auction stuff.
Thanks Shags for once again proving you have nothing intelligent to add to any thread I start and show us you cant tell the difference between night and morning hours. And here I thought you actually might have a solid post to add concerning the thread topic. It is cute though that you showed up a day late and a dollar short to provide some fail. Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on January 02, 2013, 04:36:44 AM
Yeah, basically in between some work when my kids and I were done hanging out for the night. You know, almost 2am/3am, when kids either are in bed or are munchin on snacks and on their xbaux playing Halo 4 or sumthin. Do you force your children to hang out with you all night or something on into the early morning hours? You do realize that would not be considered normal, right? I also realize you forgot, but I work nights on into the early hours of the morning, and set my own hours for my work. Much like other people in the real world, I do work partially on some holidays. I was also on yahoo talking to Herc also while typing said post and working. Big difference there between specifically blowing New Years Eve on a post when I could spend it with friends or family, and actually waiting to post until the night is basically over with and its the early morning and I am casually working on auction stuff.
I think it's safe to assume that everyone has their own thing they do on New Year's with their friends and family. Simply pointing out that you were posting in the middle of the night just like Zeta, not really sure why you think he spent all night typing up his post. Could be he was also juggling chatting with random forum members on MSN, and finishing up some pod cast work while tucking his kids into bed after a night of Bordelands 2 and Wii U or sumthin...
Thanks Shags for once again proving you have nothing intelligent to add to any thread I start and show us you cant tell the difference between night and morning hours. And here I thought you actually might have a solid post to add concerning the thread topic. It is cute though that you showed up a day late and a dollar short to provide some fail. Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning.
You're welcome Helga, :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 05:23:14 AM
Yeah, basically in between some work when my kids and I were done hanging out for the night. You know, almost 2am/3am, when kids either are in bed or are munchin on snacks and on their xbaux playing Halo 4 or sumthin. Do you force your children to hang out with you all night or something on into the early morning hours? You do realize that would not be considered normal, right? I also realize you forgot, but I work nights on into the early hours of the morning, and set my own hours for my work. Much like other people in the real world, I do work partially on some holidays. I was also on yahoo talking to Herc also while typing said post and working. Big difference there between specifically blowing New Years Eve on a post when I could spend it with friends or family, and actually waiting to post until the night is basically over with and its the early morning and I am casually working on auction stuff.
I think it's safe to assume that everyone has their own thing they do on New Year's with their friends and family. Simply pointing out that you were posting in the middle of the night just like Zeta, not really sure why you think he spent all night typing up his post. Could be he was also juggling chatting with random forum members on MSN, and finishing up some pod cast work while tucking his kids into bed after a night of Bordelands 2 and Wii U or sumthin...
Thanks Shags for once again proving you have nothing intelligent to add to any thread I start and show us you cant tell the difference between night and morning hours. And here I thought you actually might have a solid post to add concerning the thread topic. It is cute though that you showed up a day late and a dollar short to provide some fail. Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning.
You're welcome Helga, :mrgreen:
2 am is not the middle of the night Josh. Its the early morning. There is a difference, regardless of you feigning ignorance of the such and all. Its also taking great liberty to state I said he spent "all night typing up" his post. I did not say that. Its pretty clear he spent the last couple of hours of New Years Eve working on it however, which is just sad. If he had some important job to be at, like being a cop, doctor, or mall security guard or something keeping him away from family and friends, that would be one thing, but even then he should be at work, not on the net going into a rage over ole MH.
Otherwise, I mean, unless your current awesome life, and I mean he did state it was awesome and all, amounts to not having anyone at all to hang out with and spend New Years Eve with in person, I fail to see how awesome that it could be. If you are indeed having to be at work at that time, and your work is computer/net related, cool. I don't know about you though, but I don't know too many office jobs requiring workers be there at 11PM New Years Eve sitting in front of the Dell. I'm self-employed and do work via the net, but even then, like I said, I set my own hours and DID NOT work on New Years Eve, instead opting to spend it with family.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: bob on January 02, 2013, 06:32:20 AM
this is where I wonder...why I'm feeling sorry for myself...
My life is actually totally...obnoxious...That's it. That's my multiple personality disorder...
The only one here I specifically...need...is...Beatlejuice...or Nintega. a lot of people think that's...COMPLETELY f*ckED UP.
A sane person with a life just doesn't...shit and throw it in people's faces. I never...shit and throw it in people's faces... If I do...can you f*ck me? Do you know...my real name, my age, all that shit. I mean, I'm... 20, but maybe...you'd make that mistake...I'm more like...some random dude...outside my apartment who has Two...dents in...that a$$hole...No one ever sees
I'm basically known as...deranged. I'm not a huge...Pathetic wannabe...or anything else.
Honestly,... I'll...apologize...for this
Nothing personal, but the post was long and filled with nuggets, I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: HercTNT on January 02, 2013, 09:50:22 AM
Shit, me writing this huge post just to you pretty much proves I need to get out more, but you've got to be spending 100x as much time on stalking all those dumpers and crooks and everyone else on your Enemies List.
Edit: forgot to point out, Zeta, the fact that you took the time to type out that massive lash out when most everyone else here was spending New Years Eve hanging out with friends or family and enjoying the evening, well, I'm sure even you can see how pathetic that is. Did you not have anything better to do on New Years Eve, seriously?
Posted 2 hours later in the middle of the night on New Year's Eve/New Year's Day. :clap:
I suffer from severe insomnia due to a brain tumor that was the size of a golf ball. The tumor was pushing against my cerebelum and my brain stem. Because of it i have severe insomnia, vertigo, nausea and a slew of other nifty problems that will never go away due to the damage that was done. For what its worth josh, Mike has not only been a fantastic friend, but he provides a service that no amount of money could ever buy. When your awake night after sleepless night its maddening. The medicine i take to help me sleep makes me paranoid, i see things moving in the dark, hear voices that are not there. Its all side effects i have to live with. Mike has spent countless hours talking with me, or helping me with late night projects when i otherwise would suffer from a total breakdown. Now, i don't need anyone's pity, just support. Mike has provided that in spades by often staying up far later than he normally would for my entertianment, and getting work done in the process. If thats not the mark of a good person, i don't know what is. Whatever your beef with him is, its unfortunate, people who really know him know that he's not how you and a few others try to make him out to be. Just my two cents.
P.S. i have tried very hard to proof read this and any of my other posts as best as possible. due to my condition i often think one thing, but type another. my spelling is horrible, and i sometimes lose focus.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 02, 2013, 10:05:11 AM
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: HercTNT on January 02, 2013, 10:11:24 AM
I'm not afraid to defend a good friend. I spoke from the heart and did not attack anyone doing so. You go back to kicking the cripple, says alot about you :)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
That is a pretty f*cking low, petty, uncalled for post, aimed at someone who has done absolutely nothing to you as far as I am aware. All I have to say to that is this. f*ck off. f*ck right off. If you need to hear it verbally spoken, here is a link:
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Bernie on January 02, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
Cmon guys. :( We got some good folks in this thread. Professor, Herc, Punkic, ect.. Hate seeing y'all go at each other. Specially Ela and Mike. Y'all are good folk.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 02, 2013, 11:13:06 AM
Wait so of all the flaming, off topic posting, name calling and picking apart everything everyone says in this thread I post a "cool story bro" in response to a post that was an off topic story somehow that's the worst thing here? :-k
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 11:22:05 AM
Wait so of all the flaming, off topic posting, name calling and picking apart everything everyone says in this thread I post a "cool story bro" in response to a post that was an off topic story somehow that's the worst thing here? :-k
The threads been off topic now for a few pages. Hercs post addressed comments that were made that lent to the derailing of this thread. You basically chose to take a jab at him when he opened up about a personal matter, in what seems to be a uncalled dick move aimed at him, or an attempt to attack me somehow by referring to his post in the way you did. Whichever it was, it wasn't even remotely cool. I have a pretty wild/crazy sense of humor, but not even I found that the least bit funny.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 02, 2013, 11:31:09 AM
oh im sorry I forgot you are not only the voice of the community but the authority of comedy
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 11:36:30 AM
oh im sorry I forgot you are not only the voice of the community but the authority of comedy
The fact it clearly offended the one you aimed it at should tell you something, but hey, continue to be in denial about it. You owe Herc a apology. It would be one thing if you could admit it was a stupid thing to post and apologize, but to be a dick about it and feign ignorance to the fact it clearly offended Herc, well, you see where I am going with this, right? And no, I am not the voice of the community. Are you nominating me for the job or something? You not up to the task yourself?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 02, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Herc I'm sorry you were offended by my internet meme picture. I should've remembered that Professor is the only one allowed to be a dick around here. Internet meme=not funny drawing penises on the faces of other members kids=funny got it.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 02, 2013, 12:04:12 PM
I like the idea that if someone ever has some kind of health issue that its forever uncool to f*ck with them. Maybe I'll get cancer or something and Mike will have to stick up for me.
Anyway, I'm being a real idiot for expecting a more fun flame out. I guess. I'm giving you guys my best Bill Hicks and you're fighting back with Don Rickles outtakes from the cutting room floor. I guess I must crave Internet flame wars, but I'm just not getting what I want in this case for some reason. If insults aimed at me are going to be complete bullshit from left field that have nothing to do with anything, they should at least be funny.
Why hasn't Mike locked this thread yet? That's the real mystery.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 12:49:27 PM
Herc I'm sorry you were offended by my internet meme picture. I should've remembered that Professor is the only one allowed to be a dick around here. Internet meme=not funny drawing penises on the faces of other members kids=funny got it.
The point being, which you continue to not realize, or are choosing to ignore, is Herc did NOTHING to you, and you attacked him, intentional or not, over what would be considered a rather emotionally exposing post. It was simply in terribly bad taste. It would be similar to if one of Firebombers family came here to post something heart felt and you took a dump on it with some mem pic you thought was relevant to the post also. Evidently though there seems to be a bit more behind it from the way you are continuing to react, instead of simply apologizing to him in a honest polite fashion. Referring to incidents on FS, that were in fact retaliation for that matter (which I, on my own, took steps to rectify), for actions of equal caliber aimed at my own children during other incidents, does not really help build you a case. If you want to build a case, do it on your own merits, not off someone elses back. And seriously, just apologize to Herc. Admit it was a stupid thing to do and move on. Is it really that hard, or do you really have something against the guy?
Blah blah blah and Why hasn't Mike locked this thread yet? That's the real mystery.
Ha, the irony. In FS you accuse/complain of me locking threads, and here we are, and now you evidently want me to do so? No, sorry guy, doesn't work that way. You can tough it out. Hang in there big guy.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Sadler on January 02, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
EDIT: Inappropriate.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Bernie on January 02, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
Man. f*ck this shit. This thread has gone way the hell off topic.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
It would be similar to if one of Firebombers family came here to post something heart felt and you took a dump on it with some mem pic you thought was relevant to the post also.
No, it's not remotely similar and it's the height of bad taste to suggest as much. I can't believe I just read that, and I feel sick even responding to it. :(
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Referring to incidents on FS, that were in fact retaliation for that matter (which I, on my own, took steps to rectify), for actions of equal caliber aimed at my own children during other incidents, does not really help build you a case.
A) Good on you for trying to fix it. B) He did it first isn't a good excuse.
Yes Herc is a great guy. Also, the Firebomber comment, its not thrown out there to win a argument, and I am terribly sorry it offended you. Its a plea for the guy to show some compassion in regards to the fact Herc just laid out there his dire life threatening health issues, his current suffering after the operation, and got sand kicked in his face for it, and still is by Punknic. And if something like that had occurred, in respects to Firebomber situation, I would be all over the person who did it for the same reason. The only thing difference here is Herc is still here, Firebomber is not, which sucks like a mother f*cker, but that is how it played out. It does not make Herc, or his situation he just opened up about, any less important to certain people close to him. I would hope you understand that, sometimes you have to draw a comparison between tragedies to evoke compassion and understanding. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.
Also, no, he did it first is not a good excuse, which is, like I said, why I took steps on my own to rectify the situation.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Jibbajaba on January 02, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
For the record, I thought Punknic's post was pretty inappropriate, as well. I was going to respond to it when I saw it, but chose not to. I can't believe that he's even trying to defend it, but whatever.
Chris
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: HercTNT on January 02, 2013, 02:10:57 PM
I don't remember attacking anyone, or doing anything to deserve being attacked. I feel as though, there are people here that don't like mike, accuse him frequently of being a disturbance, then take whatever parting shots they can at him even at other members expense. I'm not to proud, or ashamed to stand up for any friend, especially those as supportive of mike. My comment was meant to illustrate the lengths that he has gone to, to be supportive. My reason for making the comment is that there are people here, in my opinon, that have him all wrong. You can't blame me for defending a friend, and one would hope any of you would do the same. I will not apologize for standing up for a friend, especially when i did so in a civil manner. I will apologize for the disturbance it has caused if it makes everyone play nice. For that I personally take the blame.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Bernie on January 02, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
Herc, there is no need for you to apologize. Really. I am almost positive what Punk posted was purely in fun and not meant to be derogatory in any way. An apology between just the two of you should have been the end of it. I can totally understand standing up for friends, and that is exactly what I'm trying do do here. Most of you in this thread are good friends of mine. Why can't we just chalk this up as a HUGE f*cking misunderstanding. Peoples emotions are heightened about Fire bomber, everything is touchy. We just lost one guy forever.... Got that? f*cking forever! Yet here we are letting a misunderstanding cause this much strife... Why? Is it really worth it? I mean, who the hell wins here?
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Sadler on January 02, 2013, 02:25:57 PM
I don't remember attacking anyone, or doing anything to deserve being attacked.
Like I said, I think you're a good guy. THIS thread sort of left me thinking you were up for a ribbing. To be fair, it's a year old and you did lay out for us your challenges in this thread. Still, I don't think Punk was out to stick it to you, he's was just messing around and I seriously doubt he thought anyone would take it as anything other than good natured joking.
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I feel as though, there are people here that don't like mike, accuse him frequently of being a disturbance, then take whatever parting shots they can at him even at other members expense. I'm not to proud, or ashamed to stand up for any friend, especially those as supportive of mike.
I totally get that. I haven't been regularly in chat for a while, but I consider Josh (heh) and ela in the same boat for me.
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My comment was meant to illustrate the lengths that he has gone to, to be supportive. My reason for making the comment is that there are people here, in my opinon, that have him all wrong. You can't blame me for defending a friend, and one would hope any of you would do the same. I will not apologize for standing up for a friend, especially when i did so in a civil manner. I will apologize for the disturbance it has caused if it makes everyone play nice. For that I personally take the blame.
No worries man. I'm far too much of a drama queen. If I spent half as much time playing obey as I do getting my panties twisted over internet posts, I'd have beaten most of the games I own by now. :)
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: PunkicCyborg on January 02, 2013, 02:40:14 PM
Jesus christ did that get blown out of proportions.... Herc I was seriously not trying to offend you I didn't think your personal life situation was funny I don't think anyone could think that was funny. I'm not personally out to get you or anyone and I really don't take anything online very seriously. I'm sorry I offended you. I do think it's funny though that you stick up for professor even when nobody is saying anything against him. If professor is like Kenny Powers you are his Stevie. I swear I tried to make one funny f*cking comment in a flame war thread and I'm some terrible guy. This really isn't my game I'm going back to the PC Engine side of the board to talk about gaming.......
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: Sparky on January 02, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
P.S. i have tried very hard to proof read this and any of my other posts as best as possible. due to my condition i often think one thing, but type another. my spelling is horrible, and i sometimes lose focus.
Dude, your post are always well said and wish there was a damn "like" button so ya knew as you say what is on my mind a lot of times, and I don't care how it came out in this thread I just hope you are going to be ok when all is said and done? Ok boys, lets f*cking gather around and get this group hug over with, who wants the reach around??? (( cups hand))
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on January 02, 2013, 02:53:35 PM
Meme was totally innappropirate (joke or not). Apology "eventually" extended; I am sad we all can't be better. I will try a little harder...=/
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
Meme was totally innappropirate (joke or not). Apology "eventually" extended; I am sad we all can't be better. I will try a little harder...=/
Man lol, thats like Jesus saying he will try to do better. You're too good a guy man, seriously, no worries. I cant think of anyone worth a damn who would actually have a bad thing to say about you, and anyone who actually does, they can go pound salt.
P.S. i have tried very hard to proof read this and any of my other posts as best as possible. due to my condition i often think one thing, but type another. my spelling is horrible, and i sometimes lose focus.
Dude, your post are always well said and wish there was a damn "like" button so ya knew as you say what is on my mind a lot of times, and I don't care how it came out in this thread I just hope you are going to be ok when all is said and done? Ok boys, lets f*cking gather around and get this group hug over with, who wants the reach around??? (( cups hand))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vICB2qFXgLo
:P
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: HercTNT on January 02, 2013, 03:05:47 PM
LOL, I thought everyone had forgotten about that roast me thread. Honestly, anyone that still wants to jump in that thread and shit on me have at it. thats what fighting street is for :) Punknic, apology accepted, maybe the timing was bad, i don't know. I'm fiercely loyal to all my friends and Mike has my undying respect. It was not my intention to draw a line in the sand, or have anyone feel bad for me in any way. I agree there is no reason to defend mike. He can surely handle himself. thats not gonna stop me from throwing in my two cents from time to time. Sparky you offering a group reach around is a visual i will now try to drown in vodka :) Thanks for the wishes though LOL.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on January 02, 2013, 03:11:03 PM
Meme was totally innappropirate (joke or not). Apology "eventually" extended; I am sad we all can't be better. I will try a little harder...=/
Man lol, thats like Jesus saying he will try to do better. You're too good a guy man, seriously, no worries. I cant think of anyone worth a damn who would actually have a bad thing to say about you, and anyone who actually does, they can go pound salt.
Jesus? No way brother, I am soooo not worthy of that comparision, but I get you =). I am more imperfect than imperfect people realize. I am definitely ashamed in my part in all this. It was me who came down on that Ebay guy that started this whole thing. The intent was honorable but the execution was very very poor on my part. Sorry guys... Reading what Bernie just said is really humbling. Here we are bickering but ALIVE. I have many friends long gone this year known personally and not known. I even was unfortunate enough to lose my second child in utero. We should all try harder and value every breath we take; It's finite.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 03:35:53 PM
To lighten the mood some, we shall now view two epic foes locked in a bitter battle of wits. Grumpy Cat versus Wraith.
This thread hurts my head. All crap aside, is something going on with Firebomber, is he not ok? Apologies for the derailment, feel free to pm.
PM'd
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 02, 2013, 03:57:50 PM
I suffer from severe insomnia due to a brain tumor that was the size of a golf ball. The tumor was pushing against my cerebelum and my brain stem. Because of it i have severe insomnia, vertigo, nausea and a slew of other nifty problems that will never go away due to the damage that was done. For what its worth josh, Mike has not only been a fantastic friend, but he provides a service that no amount of money could ever buy. When your awake night after sleepless night its maddening. The medicine i take to help me sleep makes me paranoid, i see things moving in the dark, hear voices that are not there. Its all side effects i have to live with. Mike has spent countless hours talking with me, or helping me with late night projects when i otherwise would suffer from a total breakdown. Now, i don't need anyone's pity, just support. Mike has provided that in spades by often staying up far later than he normally would for my entertianment, and getting work done in the process. If thats not the mark of a good person, i don't know what is. Whatever your beef with him is, its unfortunate, people who really know him know that he's not how you and a few others try to make him out to be. Just my two cents.
P.S. i have tried very hard to proof read this and any of my other posts as best as possible. due to my condition i often think one thing, but type another. my spelling is horrible, and i sometimes lose focus.
PMd instead.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: soop on January 03, 2013, 04:08:42 AM
What's up you guys :B
Herc, I didn't know all that stuff. You're one heck of a guy though :D
Yay, everybody's frends again!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell cra
Post by: esteban on January 03, 2013, 06:07:30 PM
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We should, collectively, compose a short list of basic "do's & don't's" for pcefx.com sales threads and refer sellers to it when appropriate. It will save us from repeating ourselves over and over.
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TO YOU LURKERS OUT THERE (I know you are reading this), a hearty "f*ck YOU!" to your parasitic ways.
To everyone else: f*ck YOU (but, suck my left one before you depart).
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on January 03, 2013, 06:37:52 PM
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: MotherGunner on January 03, 2013, 11:57:54 PM
Mayor Lenny: What do you want me to do, go on PCEFX and tell 3 people they have to be *nice* to each other? Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every PCEFXer's god-given right. Your 2 minutes are up, good night gentlemen.
Mayor Lenny: What do you want me to do, go on PCEFX and tell 3 people they have to be *nice* to each other? Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every PCEFXer's god-given right. Your 2 minutes are up, good night gentlemen.
We should, collectively, compose a short list of basic "do's & don't's" for pcefx.com sales threads and refer sellers to it when appropriate. It will save us from repeating ourselves over and over.
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Do: be honest about who you are and what your intentions are. People being misleading, even when there's no reason to be, seems to really piss people around here off.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: jamisonia on January 15, 2013, 07:56:28 AM
I think the market should work this out itself. If somebody is buying from someone who has a low or no post count they ought to be more weary of the transaction, request more pictures, etc. That being said you shouldn't ban it. I don't say that just because I'm new with a low post count. That is just how I feel.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: esteban on January 15, 2013, 03:46:28 PM
I think the market should work this out itself. If somebody is buying from someone who has a low or no post count they ought to be more weary of the transaction, request more pictures, etc. That being said you shouldn't ban it. I don't say that just because I'm new with a low post count. That is just how I feel.
I HUMBLY BAN YOU FROM THE FORUMS...because I am tired and weary.
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: vestcoat on January 15, 2013, 04:27:21 PM
That was easy.
We really need to get online multi-player emulation going so we can solve debates via Battle Royal beatdowns.
The problem with feelings is that feelings are always valid. A lot of opinions masquerade as feelings. If you'd only thought the free market was a good idea, I could have said "hogwash." Alas, the argument has found refuge in the unassailable Tower of Feeling. I can no more deny your feelings than I can refute your emotions. Well played!
Title: Re: A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.
Post by: soop on January 16, 2013, 03:06:50 AM