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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG/PCE Repair/Mod Discussion => Topic started by: Vimtoman on January 14, 2016, 08:29:05 PM

Title: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: Vimtoman on January 14, 2016, 08:29:05 PM
This is a Fram mod rather than a Sram mod that WilyKat is doing.
The Fram is more expensive than the Sram version but....
Unlike Sram does not need a large storage cap to hold memory.
So no loss of data for years and years and years....

No battery in the Tennokoe Bank.

IC is a Cypress FM18W08.

It's a Fram with a similar pinout.


(http://i.imgur.com/8SKkna1.png)

Formated Ram OK.
Have just tried Soldier blade and save is in the bank.

(http://i.imgur.com/YtQFCa4.png)

Just ordered some switches which are Hartman PT65503 16way hex.

This a rotary switch that will have pullup resistors giving an extra 16 banks of data.

Will wire up the switch when it arrives and post to all a wiring diagram.

This will of course work with WilyKats great piece of work on the next thread.
I will probably upgrade mine to his switching circiuit when he's finished it.
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: Vimtoman on January 15, 2016, 01:27:27 AM
Here is some info of my installation.
Switch has been added and all works.

1. Remove original IC and add wire to Pad 21

(http://i.imgur.com/F7EcOPI.png)

2. Flatten pins on new IC for wiring.

(http://i.imgur.com/TfewBi2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/jJk6mvM.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/8SKkna1.png)
Note I have  used the VCC/+5v input of the original Sram cap not the output which the Sram requires.

(http://i.imgur.com/HFxXO7L.png)
Rear pinout of switch.

(http://i.imgur.com/81dWHgB.png)

Hotglued switch into hole in cover.
(http://i.imgur.com/mGbEhcP.png)
Note pullup resistors and used a cutdown 8pin IC socket for ease of removal if switch needs changing.
(http://i.imgur.com/TyDD02L.png)

Finished view of Ram Bank selector.

Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: thesteve on January 15, 2016, 09:05:02 AM
great mod, this should be sticky'd

Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: wilykat on January 16, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
And my original SRAM hack isn't sticky'd? :p

*goes off to cry quietly with a bottle of Everclear*
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: blueraven on January 16, 2016, 09:46:29 AM
Truly Epic Thread! Def sticky this.

Thanks Vimto for all of your hard work on this,

And my original SRAM hack isn't sticky'd? :p

*goes off to cry quietly with a bottle of Everclear*

Thanks again for your work on the SRAM hack :D
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: thesteve on January 16, 2016, 01:30:13 PM
the BRAM thread from wilykat
somewhat a precursor to this thread and also expands the backup ram to multiple pages
the differences are the BRAM mod keeps the battery/supercap backup type whereas the FRAM eliminates the need for power to keep the saves
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20358.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: Vimtoman on January 16, 2016, 07:48:38 PM
You can use this dip to soic adaptor for all Dip versions. e.g. Tennokoe 2

Heres a  28pin soic to 28pin Dip 300mm.

US
http://www.kr4.us/soic-28-to-dip-28-smt-adapter-1-27-mm-pitch-300-mil-body.html
UK
http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/202830-proto-advantage-pa0011-adaptor-soic-28-dip-28-1-27-300mm.html

Just browse for a 
28pin soic to 28pin Dip 300mm adaptor

Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: wilykat on January 17, 2016, 12:33:00 AM
There are 24 pin DIP to SOIC adapter that is 300mill wide for 2k sram. Not as common evidently as the wider 600mill version.
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: Necromancer on January 18, 2016, 01:27:09 AM
And my original SRAM hack isn't sticky'd? :p

*goes off to cry quietly with a bottle of Everclear*

Steve asked me to sticky this thread, but nobody asked for the other one to be stickied.  It is now.
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: Bernie on January 18, 2016, 01:49:00 AM
Love this shit!


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Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: mickcris on January 18, 2016, 09:53:03 AM
And my original SRAM hack isn't sticky'd? :p

*goes off to cry quietly with a bottle of Everclear*

Steve asked me to sticky this thread, but nobody asked for the other one to be stickied.  It is now.

Wondering if there might be a way to combine some of the sticky threads since almost the whole 1st page is now sitckies.  Like maybe a capacitor replacement sticky and then place links to all the capacitor replacement threads.  Just a thought as im thinking now some new posts are going to go on the 2nd page and might get missed.
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: thesteve on January 18, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
i second this as the 2 save ram mods should be lumped as options of the same basic mod
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: Vimtoman on January 18, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
Maybe just REPAIR and MOD's
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: wilykat on January 18, 2016, 11:45:20 PM
Or maybe a sub-forum just for the stickies with the warning "Check these first or be banned!"
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: incrediblehark on January 18, 2016, 11:48:15 PM
Too many stickies! but seriously though this is very impressive work and I like the idea of never loosing a save. Plus you can play Wizardry with a lot less hassle now!
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: shabba on March 22, 2016, 07:17:12 AM
Too many stickies! but seriously though this is very impressive work and I like the idea of never loosing a save. Plus you can play Wizardry with a lot less hassle now!

I would think, though, that with the mod section, stickies are kind of the norm, right? The whole idea of this forum would be great ideas, no?
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: mickcris on March 22, 2016, 07:43:40 AM
Too many stickies! but seriously though this is very impressive work and I like the idea of never loosing a save. Plus you can play Wizardry with a lot less hassle now!

I would think, though, that with the mod section, stickies are kind of the norm, right? The whole idea of this forum would be great ideas, no?

That comment was from before they were consolidated. The whole 1st page was almost all stickies making new threads get buried.
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: totoroslayer on July 29, 2017, 07:52:35 AM
Sorry if this is necro'ing the thread (please tell me if that's not allowed, and I'll repost elsewhere).

@vimtoman, do you know if the FM18W08 (wide voltage) is necessary, or will a regular FM1808 work as well?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Fram Duo Mod
Post by: Vimtoman on July 30, 2017, 05:41:37 AM
Sorry if this is necro'ing the thread (please tell me if that's not allowed, and I'll repost elsewhere).

@vimtoman, do you know if the FM18W08 (wide voltage) is necessary, or will a regular FM1808 work as well?

Thanks!

You can use either.

The FM18W08 was the only one in stock at the time.
The PCE is a 5v system so FM1808 is preferred.