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NEC PC-Engine/SuperGrafx => PC Engine/SuperGrafx Discussion => Topic started by: herr-g on October 20, 2006, 10:54:03 AM
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Hello everyone,
i thought it would be quite interesting to publish some pictures of games that couln't make it to the market. So i took a deeper look through my PCE mags and made some scans for you. Enjoy!! :D
Meikyuutou Special (Irem):
Looks like a pretty nice game. Anyone got a ROM dump??
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2636/meikyuutouspecial2sw2.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meikyuutouspecial2sw2.jpg)(http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/8329/meikyuutouspecialdt0.th.jpg) (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meikyuutouspecialdt0.jpg)
SG: Galaxy Force II (NEC Avenue):
Imagine what we could have had.. :o
(http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/1769/gf2lc1.th.jpg) (http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gf2lc1.jpg)(http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/2286/galaxyforce2bw5.th.jpg) (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galaxyforce2bw5.jpg)
Survival Runner (Home Data):
Obviously HomeData wanted to publish a Beat'em up. Maybe it's better they didn't...
(http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/2544/survivalrunnertz9.th.jpg) (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=survivalrunnertz9.jpg)(http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/5892/survivalrunner2cb2.th.jpg) (http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=survivalrunner2cb2.jpg)
Splendid Saga (NCS):
(http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/6527/splendigsagadu8.th.jpg) (http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=splendigsagadu8.jpg)
Wardner no Mori (NEC Avenue):
Unfortunately only made it on the MD. I'm sure the PCE CD-ROM version would have been way better.
(http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/975/wardneryn6.th.jpg) (http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wardneryn6.jpg)(http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/975/wardneryn6.th.jpg) (http://img284.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wardneryn6.jpg)
Xexex (Konami):
I'm not sure if it was only rumored, but imagine they had released it ... :lol:
(http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/1416/xexexcd7.th.jpg) (http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xexexcd7.jpg)
Tengen:
This preview mentions some upcoming (or finally not) releases by Tengen for our beloved console. The report tells about Marble Madness, Peter Pack Rat and Klax. I'm very happy that at least Klax has been released wich is still one of my favorite games. As you can see the Marble Madness screenshot is from the AMIGA version.
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9839/tengenhq3.th.jpg) (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tengenhq3.jpg)
Power Console:
Do i need to say more? Just can't get enough of it :P
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2989/powerconsoleqp8.th.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=powerconsoleqp8.jpg)
Tsushin Booster:
Imagine Final Match Tennis Network matches ...
(http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9968/boosterwq2.th.jpg) (http://img348.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boosterwq2.jpg)
I know i had some pictures of Missile Fighter wich i couldn't find in my research. If i find it i'll post it immediately. That was for sure one of the most promising titles that didn't make it to release.
PCEngine Forever!!
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I remember that galaxy force II stuff too!
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Was that Rambo in Suvival Runner?
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It isn't named in the text but indeed the images seem to be digitalized from Mr. John Rambo.
As far as i can read it the text tells about an adult type of game where only the title demo has been presented so far.
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I love Wardner, a PCE version would be awesome.
Man I hope that more unfinished PCE games get leaked in some kind of playable form.
Of course, I'm still waiting for PC Cocoron to make the rounds. :roll:
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herr-g, awesome scans, thank you! :)
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You're welcome :wink:
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Xexex?! I'm real mad now....man it would've been awesome if it was on Super CDROM2
Too bad, the only way to play Xexex at home, back in the day before emulation existed was the minigame on Ganbare Goemon 2 for Super Famicom in which you played the second stage.
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Thanks a lot, herr-g; excellent scans! All of those games look great, I would've really loved to see Marble Madness and Galaxy Force II on PCE the most out of those!
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The Galaxy Force II scan (the second one with a bunch of pics on it) is clearly of the arcade version. I've seen those pics before when they were in Mega Play being shown as the Genesis version early in its life. Of course that version didn't look anywhere near that good. But The Turbo does have that arcade feel so it would probably be 100% exact to the arcade in every way, especially with the brilliant NEC Avenue behind the scenes. Has NEC Avenue ever let anyone down? No way.
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Well I trust and believe in Johnny Turbo, so I do believe that GFII would've had the arcade feel . But beside the point, NEC Avenue did a fantastic job on After Burner II and Street Fighter II' (and I would even say Space Harrier, though most would probably disagree), so I personally think they could've done a decent job on GFII.
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Forgotten Worlds is the best Capcom arcade to home port of the 16-bit generation and Side Arms PCE HuCard is arcade superior.
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no way on GFII. those pix looking just amazing. I even can feel the smooth scaling/rotation/zooming out of the pix. those are 100% from the arcade and 0% from a PC engine hardware. check out the scaled details and the palette. even the saturn version lacked to the original.
but of course, who didn't like to see a conversion in those days?!
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Forgotten Worlds is the best Capcom arcade to home port of the 16-bit generation and Side Arms PCE HuCard is arcade superior.
and don't forget daimakaimura ;)
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I can't see a GFII conversion being any good at all really. The original arcade game lacked the fun and playability of something like Space Harrier and with the graphical flair removed on the 'Engine the game would be pretty much limp. It would have been an interesting experiment, but probably no fun to play.
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my memory is sketchy but didn't the mastersystem have a good conversion of GFII??
I think its a good game but not classic but I would much more welcome a Galaxy Force II than thunder blade conversion...
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I agree with Tatsujin and can hardly believe that the pics come from the SG hardware.
I wonder how far they got with that game or if they even startet the technical part.
Maybe anyone here knows more about it...
Besides GF2 my favorites are clearly Meikyuutou Special, wich seemed to be almost finished, and PC Cocoron. Maybe one day someone dumps the roms. :cry: Dream on ...
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herr-g :
I think scans of Galaxy Force 2 and PowerConsole are from me.
There are about 100 unreleased PCE games, and about 50 with photos.
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please post them. all of them :D
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Xexex would have been a nice addition to the PCE. Too bad Konami didn't go through with it. Hell, they coulda skipped Martial Champion and I'm pretty sure no one would have minded. :P
So yeah, PCE got Martial Champion instead of say:
Ajax
Gradius III
Contra
Xexex
Gokujou Parodius (on CD)
many others.
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All pictures will be in the book I am writing with friends, you can see it soon.
Here some HuCARDs unreleased :
There are some unreleased SGX (more than Strider or GFII) Forgotten Worlds, Dragon Breed,... and a lot of NEC Avenue projets.
Hudson Projects like ChikiChiki Grand prix, Bike, RPC Genjin, Dynamite Ball, Doreamon 2, Golf,....
And nice projets like Dino Force, Batman (Sunsoft), Jaseiken Necromancer 3, Tsushin Tool, TV Sport Baseball, Popils,....
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And a lot of CDs unreleased.
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my memory is sketchy but didn't the mastersystem have a good conversion of GFII??
I think its a good game but not classic but I would much more welcome a Galaxy Force II than thunder blade conversion...
GF2 on the Master System got some really good reviews. I bought it and it was a big letdown. Afterburner and Space Harrier were much better. The only thing really going for it was the cool music on a couple of the levels.
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@Thibaut:
All the pictures were directly scanned from my own PCE mags. I guess you got the same ones :lol:
The GF2 scans come from PCEngine Fan around Jan./Feb. 1991
I'm very looking forward for your book.
Hope you let us all know about the release date.
Regards,
herr-g
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The PCE did a pretty good job with Afterburner, and Space Harrior, but Galaxy Force II? No way, man. That would have just been embarrassing. Not quite as bad as Double Dragon for 2600 maybe, but on a game like GFII the draw of graphics (and/or the R360) versus gameplay is about 80/20. If you take away the graphics then...what's the point?
I think the Mega CD could have done a nice job though. Just look at those scaling based games like Battlcorps, and Soulstar.
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herr-g :
Ok :wink:
What are please the date of mags from the scans Splendid Saga, Xexex (CD games ?) and Survival runner ?
Thanks
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Splendid Saga: 8/90
Xexex: 5/93
Survival Runner: Not quite sure. Something around and of 1990. If you want to, i can take a deeper look the next days.
All three scans are from PCEngine Fan.
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It´s perfect ! Thank you.
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Splendid Saga looks cool. I can't get enough of generic, mediocre, ugly RPGs. :) I wish that one got released, it looks just like one of those games.
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I can't get enough of generic, mediocre, ugly RPGs..
Buy a SNES.
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Forgotten Worlds is the best Capcom arcade to home port of the 16-bit generation and Side Arms PCE HuCard is arcade superior.
and don't forget daimakaimura ;)
In my opinion, visually Daimakaimura would be a shoddy port for PC Engine. They didn't really do much to clean up the graphics and the sprites are pretty low color.
In fact, the graphics in Daimakaimura lead me to believe that Strider ACD may very well be leftovers from a SuperGrafx port by NEC Ave, because Strider looks about the same and maybe better overall.
Just because it actually ports a lot of the arcade's graphics instead of being completely redrawn and simplified like the highly praised Megadrive version, it's gotten a reputation over the years as being pretty special.
Mostly because all the magazines and the few early SGX players went on about how it was way better than the MD version, which already had the reputation of being arcade perfect.
I would've prefered a port looking like Forgotten Worlds(nearly identical) with static bgs, but really the PCE could've given us both.
1941 is a great SuperGrafx port, but it was made by Hudson an again, it's nothing the PCE couldn't do.
I can't get enough of generic, mediocre, ugly RPGs..
Buy a SNES.
Don't worry, Seldane's way ahead of you. :P
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I can't get enough of generic, mediocre, ugly RPGs..
Buy a SNES.
Why get a SNES when I have a PC Engine and a Mega Drive? Plenty of bad RPGs on those systems. :wink:
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Yeah I agree; Tengai Makyou, Cosmic Fantasy 2, and Dragon Slayer are just awful games.
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Yeah I agree; Tengai Makyou, Cosmic Fantasy 2, and Dragon Slayer are just awful games.
You can't be so unspecific and let one game drag down an entire series Keranu. We all know you're talking about Kabuki Den. :wink:
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Oh god, Kabuki Den is the worst. I guess Red/Hudson Soft figured they had a crappy series going already and decided to just make Kabuki Den a complete failure. There is totally nothing original in that game and it has the dullest ending of all time. :roll:
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I just love Dragon Slayer. The only annoying thing were the frequent random monster attacks later in that game. The simple storyline mixed with the amazing soundtracks make it one of my favorite PCE RPGs.
From the technical side my favorite is Seiya Monogatari.
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I just love Dragon Slayer. The only annoying thing were the frequent random monster attacks later in that game.
Don't forget the english dub in the Turbo version! :P
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I just love Dragon Slayer. The only annoying thing were the frequent random monster attacks later in that game. The simple storyline mixed with the amazing soundtracks make it one of my favorite PCE RPGs.
From the technical side my favorite is Seiya Monogatari.
Part way through Dragon Slayer you get an item which allows you to see the monsters wandering around, so random attacks don't happen.
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I just love Dragon Slayer. The only annoying thing were the frequent random monster attacks later in that game. The simple storyline mixed with the amazing soundtracks make it one of my favorite PCE RPGs.
From the technical side my favorite is Seiya Monogatari.
Part way through Dragon Slayer you get an item which allows you to see the monsters wandering around, so random attacks don't happen.
I believe that its called the 'Whistle' or 'Flute' or something.
Just keep using that thing and everything will be fine. :wink:
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Yeah I agree; Tengai Makyou, Cosmic Fantasy 2, and Dragon Slayer are just awful games.
No, seriously, CF2 sucks.
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I just love Dragon Slayer. The only annoying thing were the frequent random monster attacks later in that game. The simple storyline mixed with the amazing soundtracks make it one of my favorite PCE RPGs.
From the technical side my favorite is Seiya Monogatari.
I love Dragon Slayer to death, it had such great atmosphere for me. However I never found random battles a problem at all in the game, infact I think Dragon Slayer has the coolest random battle system. Whenever you run away from an enemy, their sprite will actually appear on the overhead scene with you so you can easily run away from them. In dungeons they don't even randomly appear but are visible everywhere, it's great :D . But yeah as other people mentioned, you can use an item on the world map that makes all the enemies visible. Truly genius battle idea, in my opinion.
No, seriously, CF2 sucks.
Well kind sir, have you beat it :) ? CF2 can be a little boring in the beginning after the first few cinemas, but a little later in the game it REALLY kicks up and the end of the game is absolutely stunning. I can say that there is no other game from back in CF2's time that had an ending that could quite match up with it. It was really impressive.
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No, seriously, CF2 sucks.
Well kind sir, have you beat it :) ? CF2 can be a little boring in the beginning after the first few cinemas, but a little later in the game it REALLY kicks up and the end of the game is absolutely stunning. I can say that there is no other game from back in CF2's time that had an ending that could quite match up with it. It was really impressive.
Oh yes, I beat it for sure. I bought it back when it was still in stores. It was a prime reason for me getting a Duo. The ending is nice, as you say, and its easy to like the characters and story but...its a sucky RPG. It just sucks. The graphics (outside of the cinemas), suck, the battle system is...horrible. Dragon Warrior 1's was better. Shit, Quest 64's was better. Its a horrible battle system. Its a horrible game period. If it was a HuCard with no animation/CD sound no one would even think twice about it. CF4 on the other hand (either one) is quite nice, even if I did get hopelessly stuck in Part 2.
I've played quite a few PCE RPGs over the years, and CF2 is one of the worst. I'm not sure what constitutes "CF2's time", but I'd say Startling Odyssey 2's ending was just as fantastic.
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Cosmic Fantasy 2 is a little primitive, but comparing it to Dragon Warrior is as ridiculous as seldane comparing Xanadu to a nes game.
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Cosmic Fantasy 2 is a little primitive, but comparing it to Dragon Warrior is as ridiculous as seldane comparing Xanadu to a nes game.
In DQ the enemies can actually use spells on you, poison, etc. In CF2 (the US version anway) they can't. Enemies only "attack", and that's it. Aside from having multiple party members, I think DQ has a deeper combat system.
Also, I thought Xanadu was a NES game...I must be thinking of something else.
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Also, I thought Xanadu was a NES game...I must be thinking of something else.
Faxanadu was for the NES! I love that game :). Seldane, though, isn't a fan of it, I believe, because it was a Hudson spin-off (like Ys IV Dawn of Ys) and not part of Falcom's official canon.
That said, Faxanadu was lots of fun.
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because it was a Hudson spin-off (like Ys IV Dawn of Ys) and not part of Falcom's official canon.
But it's strange that Falcom would include video from the PCE CD version of Ys IV in the JDK music video for the PC release of Ys VI and not clips from the SFC version. Maybe Falcom liked the PCE version over the SFC version or had more of hand in it than what was lead to believe. If I remember right, Falcom did not program for consoles - computers only (MSX,PC-89/98, etc) and had other 3rd party do those translations/versions. Oh well
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because it was a Hudson spin-off (like Ys IV Dawn of Ys) and not part of Falcom's official canon.
But it's strange that Falcom would include video from the PCE CD version of Ys IV in the JDK music video for the PC release of Ys VI and not clips from the SFC version. Maybe Falcom liked the PCE version over the SFC version or had more of hand in it than what was lead to believe. If I remember right, Falcom did not program for consoles - computers only (MSX,PC-89/98, etc) and had other 3rd party do those translations/versions. Oh well
Ahhh, that's an interesting point. I was unware that clips from PCE Ys IV were in that video (I haven't seen it -- the only JDK music video I've seen is the one included on the Ys I & II anime DVD).
Anyway, I'd love to hear what Seldane has to say on the matter.
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because it was a Hudson spin-off (like Ys IV Dawn of Ys) and not part of Falcom's official canon.
But it's strange that Falcom would include video from the PCE CD version of Ys IV in the JDK music video for the PC release of Ys VI and not clips from the SFC version. Maybe Falcom liked the PCE version over the SFC version or had more of hand in it than what was lead to believe. If I remember right, Falcom did not program for consoles - computers only (MSX,PC-89/98, etc) and had other 3rd party do those translations/versions. Oh well
What video is this and do you know where I can view it?
I just found an Ys VI trailer on youtube with JDK music showing clips of all the games, but it didn't use the PCE version of Ys IV.
If PCE Ys IV footage was shown in a montage or something with clips from the animes, it could be because the Ys IV anime appears to be tied in to the PCE Ys IV. The character art in the manual, which looks ugly compared to the in game art, looks like it's straight outa the anime.
Falcom almost doesn't ever do non-computer games. I believe that the last ones they did were Ys V SFC and that PSP game with that girl(looks fun).
No, seriously, CF2 sucks.
Well kind sir, have you beat it :) ? CF2 can be a little boring in the beginning after the first few cinemas, but a little later in the game it REALLY kicks up and the end of the game is absolutely stunning. I can say that there is no other game from back in CF2's time that had an ending that could quite match up with it. It was really impressive.
Oh yes, I beat it for sure. I bought it back when it was still in stores. It was a prime reason for me getting a Duo. The ending is nice, as you say, and its easy to like the characters and story but...its a sucky RPG. It just sucks. The graphics (outside of the cinemas), suck, the battle system is...horrible. Dragon Warrior 1's was better. Shit, Quest 64's was better. Its a horrible battle system. Its a horrible game period. If it was a HuCard with no animation/CD sound no one would even think twice about it. CF4 on the other hand (either one) is quite nice, even if I did get hopelessly stuck in Part 2.
I've played quite a few PCE RPGs over the years, and CF2 is one of the worst. I'm not sure what constitutes "CF2's time", but I'd say Startling Odyssey 2's ending was just as fantastic.
Although I appreciate CF2 for what it is, I won't say that someone is wrong when they say that it sucks as an actual game and many of SignOfZeta's points are bang on. Of course, I wouldn't try to argue how bad it is either. It is what it is.
I wouldn't directly compare the gameplay to Dragon Warrior, but I love truly-traditional RPG's (none of this "system" garbage) and miss them.
A good point Keranu made, is how "no other game from back in CF2's time that had an ending that could quite match up with it. It was really impressive."
This can be extended to the game as a whole as a piece of entertainment. At the time, there weren't many console RPG's at all and everyone I knew that saw CF2 thought its was impressive... -of course we were also blown away by everything but the game in Golden Axe. :wink:
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The only console games Falcom's ever developed are:
1994-1995
The Legend of Xanadu (PCE)
The Legend of Xanadu II (PCE)
Popful Mail (SFC)
Ys V (SFC)
2006
Gurumin (PSP)
The Legend of Heroes VI: Tracks in the Sky (PSP)
About Ys IV... Falcom was originally working on this game, although the system is unclear. Probably PC-9801 as that was the machine they were working on at that time, and all (well, most) of their game releases by that time were PC-9801 exclusive. However, there are two soundtrack CDs of Ys IV music, X68000 style, one of which contains a lot of never-before heard tracks. So one can assume they WERE going to release an X68000 version of the game.
Falcom was also working on Ys IV for Mega-CD. Sega Falcom, to be specific. That appeared to be some kind of division of Sega which was based on Falcom staff, as they made a couple of Mega Drive/Mega-CD ports (Lord Monarch, The Legend of Heroes 1-2, Popful Mail [MCD] Super Brandish [unreleased], etc). I like to refer to Popful Mail, Super Brandish and Ys IV as the Mega-CD Falcom trio. These games would've rocked the Mega-CD had they all gotten released together back in 1993... maybe. ;)
Looks like Tokyo Shoseki (who ported Ys III to SFC, among many other Falcom games) bought the rights for Ys IV and released it exclusively on Super Famicom though. That is probably why the Mega-CD version got canned. I believe TS altered the scenario a bit, though.
As for Ys IV The Dawn of Ys... well, Hudson probably made it because they too wanted to release a new Ys game on their system, but TS owned the rights for the original game, so they simply made their own. Something like that.
Why, oh why didn't Super Brandish get released? All they left behind is one single music track!
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But beside the point, NEC Avenue did a fantastic job on After Burner II and Street Fighter II'
NEC Avenue has nothing to do with the PCE port of SFII', NEC HE actually did it.
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But beside the point, NEC Avenue did a fantastic job on After Burner II and Street Fighter II'
NEC Avenue has nothing to do with the PCE port of SFII', NEC HE actually did it.
Acording to all the game mags at the time leading up to and following SFII'CE's PCE release, Capcom made the game for "NEC", just as they also did the 3DO version(both are of similar quality too), -according to all the mags.
Just like "NEC", NEC Ave is a broad term and not all games were made by the same people, which is why some ports were amazing and some were not.
For some reason, NEC Ave seems to have a rep for doing crappy ports, my only guess is that it's because of Strider ACD.
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Most games I've played with NEC AV on the packaging have bad graphics that suffer from lack of parallax and flickering. Especially the lack of parallax, I don't think NEC AV even knew how to program parallax. I felt this way a long time before I got my hands on Strider, so even though Strider probably contributed to the stigma I think it was already well supported by all their other shoddy work.
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Most games I've played with NEC AV on the packaging have bad graphics that suffer from lack of parallax and flickering. Especially the lack of parallax, I don't think NEC AV even knew how to program parallax. I felt this way a long time before I got my hands on Strider, so even though Strider probably contributed to the stigma I think it was already well supported by all their other shoddy work.
Still, there are people who say that NEC Ave wouldn't be able to even do a decent port or make nice graphics, when they're already responsible for some of the best.
My view is probably skewed (in their favor) by the fact that 2 of my first 3 CD games ever were Side Arms Special and Super Darius.
Some other decent games with Nec Ave on the box:
Afterburner II
Ane San
Asuka 120%
Chiki Chiki Boys
Darius Plus
Dragon Knight III
Forgotten Worlds
Hellfire S
Madou Monogatari
Monster Maker
Out Run
Puyo Puyo CD
Rainbow Islands
Son Son II
Super Darius II
Tenchi O Kurau
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Great Falcom info Seldane, thanks!
Afterburner II
Ane San
Asuka 120%
Chiki Chiki Boys
Darius Plus
Dragon Knight III
Forgotten Worlds
Hellfire S
Madou Monogatari
Monster Maker
Out Run
Puyo Puyo CD
Rainbow Islands
Son Son II
Super Darius II
Tenchi O Kurau
Most of those games listed rule.
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Great Falcom info Seldane, thanks!
Afterburner II
Ane San
Asuka 120%
Chiki Chiki Boys
Darius Plus
Dragon Knight III
Forgotten Worlds
Hellfire S
Madou Monogatari
Monster Maker
Out Run
Puyo Puyo CD
Rainbow Islands
Son Son II
Super Darius II
Tenchi O Kurau
Most of those games listed rule.
From what I saw list on pcecp, it looks like the good games or games with good graphics out number the bad.
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Well the few off that list that I've played didn't have any parallax which leads me to believe that NEC AVE was completely inept in that area, but I haven't played all of them so that's just the impression I've got over the years. NEC AVE did make some really good games, but it seems odd that they wouldn't have learned how to harness the hardware after all those years and would still be putting out complete and utter shit like Ane San and Strider.
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There's also Download I & II I'm pretty sure those are NEC Avenue games and they sure as hell got lots of nice parallax Scrolling in them.
and.... doesn't space harrier have parallax scrolling ?
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There's also Download I & II I'm pretty sure those are NEC Avenue games and they sure as hell got lots of nice parallax Scrolling in them.
and.... doesn't space harrier have parallax scrolling ?
Not to mention Daimakaimura, wich offers a very smooth parallax scrolling.
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Personally if the ingame graphics look good enough as it is, I could care less about parallax.
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I haven't played Ane San, but the graphics look very nice.
You should try Super Darius II, it makes the decent Megadrive version look like the SMS version(although the SMS version is also amazing).
Parallax is just an effect, it doesn't make good graphics. When it's used just for the sake of having it, it actually takes away from the visuals. Like Mode 7 effects in SNES games.
I don't think that the arcade game Jungle Hunt looks better than any static PC Engine game.
(http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/img/junglehunt1.gif)
(http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/img/junglehunt2.gif)
Take your pick.
But I believe that even the original Super Darius/Darius Plus had a seperate scrolling background.
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Black_Tiger,
The video(Ys Special Collection -All About Falcom-.avi) is an hour long(730+ megs). There are quite a JDK videos and it does have other footage besides Ys inbetween - Dragon Slayer - Legend of Xanadu - PopFul Mail for MD and SFC - etc.
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The video(Ys Special Collection -All About Falcom-.avi) is an hour long(730+ megs).
Thievery! :o That's a rip of the DVD that was included with Ys VI The Ark of Napishtim Limited Edition. 100,000 copies were made.
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Thievery!
Nah, copyright infringement :wink:
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I dig your post, Black_Tiger. Also on a side note, Jungle Hunt is a kick ass game :) .
That All About Falcom video is pretty cool. My friend made me a VHS copy of the laser disc version. When I get a laser disc player someday (maybe soon), I'll try looking for the cool LD version.
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Black_Tiger,
The video(Ys Special Collection -All About Falcom-.avi) is an hour long(730+ megs). There are quite a JDK videos and it does have other footage besides Ys inbetween - Dragon Slayer - Legend of Xanadu - PopFul Mail for MD and SFC - etc.
Thanks a lot. I'll see if there is a legal way to track it down. :)
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as already said, the Galaxy Force II scans are from the arcade version.
some of the same scenes were used in Mega Play magazine to preview the Megadrive/Genesis version.
digital photo (not scan) of Jan-Feb 1991 Mega Play
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8750/megaplayjanfeb91364ng.jpg)
there is no way the SuperGrafx could've handled an arcade-exact port of Galaxy Force II, but going by After Burner II on the PCE, a decent conversion could've been done on the SuperGrafx.
even the more powerful X68000 could only handle ports of After Burner II and ThunderBlade that were around half as smooth as the arcade, and Galaxy Force II arcade used even more powerful hardware (3x 68000).
would've loved to see all of Sega's highend 'super-scaler' arcade games ported to the Ironman/Tetsujin/PC-FX ^__^
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as already said, the Galaxy Force II scans are from the arcade version.
some of the same scenes were used in Mega Play magazine to preview the Megadrive/Genesis version.
digital photo (not scan) of Jan-Feb 1991 Mega Play
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8750/megaplayjanfeb91364ng.jpg)
there is no way the SuperGrafx could've handled an arcade-exact port of Galaxy Force II, but going by After Burner II on the PCE, a decent conversion could've been done on the SuperGrafx.
even the more powerful X68000 could only handle ports of After Burner II and ThunderBlade that were around half as smooth as the arcade, and Galaxy Force II arcade used even more powerful hardware (3x 68000).
would've loved to see all of Sega's highend 'super-scaler' arcade games ported to the Ironman/Tetsujin/PC-FX ^__^
I'd love just to see the Ironman. :wink:
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To me, it seemed like NEC Avenue, was better at making original games, rather then ports. That's what always stuck out in my mind.
Oh, as for a list of unreleased games, though I don't have a bunch of concrete sources for this list, this is what I've come up with, from various lists over the years, some were listed in old NEC & TTI flyers, like Arena 3000(or maybe it was 5000) that I can't even find anymore, but, I kept track of the games. One I've always been obsessed with, is Riftwar Saga, which has like 3 pictures from an old EGM. Anyways, here's the list I've compiled:
Alien vs. Predator-Action-card/cd?-TTI
Alien 3-Action-card/cd?-TTI
Arcade Card Duo
Arcade Card Pro
Arena 3000-sports?-card?-Icom
Art of Fighting-Fighting-acd-TTI
Astralius-RPG-cd-IGS
A Train 3-Train Mangament-scd-TTI
Baby Jo-Action/Crap-scd-TTI(boy, I can see the people lining up for this one!)
Barunba-Shooter-NEC
Battle Load Runner-Action-TTI
Black Hole Assault-Fighting-scd-TTI
Blood Gear-Action/RPG-scd-TTI
Bonk's Quest aka RPC Genjin-RPG-TTI
Camp California/Yo Bro-Sports Events-card/cd?-TTI(same game as Camp California.....or Yo Bro'?)
Champion's Boxing(Forever?)-Boxing-TTI
Cosmic Fantasy-RPG-cd-Working Designs(was going to be released at a lower price point)
Cosmic Fantasy 3-RPG-scd-Working Designs
Cybertwins-Action-cd-Working Designs(TTI then grabbed the rights to it, & was going to call it Shockman 2, with Working Designs supplying the voice acting)
Dangerous Dimensions(Journey)RPG--scd-TTI(?)(I have pics of it)
Die Hard-Action-TTI-I don't know if it was just the PC Engine game, or a brand new game
Discis Books-Kids-scd-TTI
Double Dragon 2-Fighting-scd-TTI
Download 2-Shooter-cd-TTI
Castlevania X-Adventure-scd-TTI
Dragon's Lair-Strategy-scd-TTI(I have know idea, if this even hit any production)
Dragon Slayer: Legend of Heroes 2-RPG-scd-TTI
Dynasty Wars-Action-scd-TTI
Exile 3-Action/RPG-scd?-Working Designs(only in the talking stage, I doubt it ever got any development)
Fantasy Star Soldier-Shooter-scd-TTI
Fatal Fury 2-Fighting-acd-TTI
Fatal Fury Special-Fighting-acd-TTI
Far East of Eden 2-RPG-scd-TTI
Final Soldier-Shooter-TTI
F-1 Circus-Racing-TTI
Gain Ground SX-Action/Strategy-scd-TTI
Gao-card/cd?-TTI
Gekisya Boy(Photograph Boy maybe?)-card/cd-TTI
Genocide-Action-scd-TTI
Gradius-Shooter-Konami
Gradius 2-Shooter-TTI
Horror Story-Action-scd-TTI
Human Sports Festival-Tennis/Soccer/Golf-scd-TTI
Image Fight 2-Shooter-scd-TTI
Jim Power-Action-scd-TTI(Wooh, another award winner, better then Baby Jo, good music)
Keith Courage 2-Action-NEC(nothing ever came of this game but I do have a Turbo Play where they claim it was in production, might've been refering to Granzort, which is a completely different anime the Wataru)
King of the Monsters 2-Fighting-acd(originally a scd)-Working Designs
Lady Phantom-Strategy-scd-TTI
Macross 2036-Shooter-scd-TTI(finished, but had some glitches in it, but will we ever find a translated version of it, someday I hope)
Macross Eternal Love Song-War Sim-scd-TTI
Mad Stalker-Fighting-acd-TTI(what Genocide should have been!)
Marble Madness-Action/Strategy-Tengen
Millitary Madness 2-Strategy-scd-TTI
Mystic Formula-Action-scd-TTI
Neutopia 3-RPG-cartridge/cd?-TTI
Nexzar-Shooter-scd-TTI
Ninja Warriors-Action-TTI
Parodius-Shooter-Konami
Paradroid-Shooter(?)-TTI/NEC?
Peter Packrat-puzzle-card-Tengen
Photograph Boy-action-TTI
Pit Fighter-Fighting-cd-Tengen
Populous-Sim-cd-NEC
Power Gold 2-Golf-scd-TTI
Power Tennis-Tennis-TTI
Predator-Action-card/cd?-TTI
Psychic Storm-Shooter-scd-TTI
Ranma 1/2-Fighting-scd-TTI
Rastan Saga 2-Action-NEC
Rayxanber 3-Shooter-scd-TTI
RBI Baseball 3-Baseball-Tengen
Record of Lodoss War-RPG-cd-TTI
Riftwar Saga-Action/Adventure/RPG(?)Kid's Creation(or something like that, I have 2 or 3 pics of the game)
R-Type Complete-Shooter-scd-TTI
Salamander-Shooter-Konami
SCI-Action/Racing-NEC
Sherlock Holmes 3-Digital Comic/Strategy-scd-TTI(my friend Bill's dad worked at Icom & he told me about some of the filming being done for this project)
Snatcher-Digital Comic-scd-Konami or TTI(I can't remember)
Spriggan-Shooter-cd-NEC/TTI/Working Designs all attempted to release it
Street Fighter 2(aka Fighting Street 2)-Fighting-TTI
Strider-Action-acd-TTI
Super World War-Strategy-cd-NEC
Super Darius-Shooter-cd-TTI
Super Darius 2-Shooter-scd-TTI
Super Swarzchild-War Sim-scd-TTI
Tecmo World Cup-Soccer-scd-TTI
Tennis Cup(Davis Cup?)-Tennis-TTI
Terminator-Action?-card/cd?-TTI
TV Sports Baseball-Baseball-NEC/TTI
TV Sports Boxing-Boxing-NEC
TV Sports Series-Football/Basketball/Hockey/Baseball-scd-TTI
Twin Bee-Shooter-Konami
Wizardry 1 & 2-RPG-cd-TTI
World Class Baseball 2(Power League 4)-Baseball-TTI
World Heroes-scd-Fighting-Working Designs
World Heroes 2-Fighting-acd-TTI
Xak 1 & 2-RPG-scd-TTI
Ys 4: The Dawn of Ys-scd-TTI
On the games based on movies, I can't remember if it was NEC, or TTI, but I'm inclined to say TTI. It was in an old EGM of mine, that would take forever to find.
There were also some unanounced Disney games in the works supposedly
Also, there were several fighting games in the works for card, cd, & scd according to an old Turbo Play
I'm sure there's a grip more, that I just couldn't find any info on. Someday, I will find all the old letters I got from NEC, & TTI(before I met my friend that worked their).
You can ask me about any of these games, & I'll tell you what I know......if anything. I also have a load of pics up(on the Hudson boards) for some of these from old mag's.
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The problem with so-called unreleased U.S. titles that appeared in Japan, is that NEC and TTI just threw out any PC Engine name they could think of, when with most they either had no intention of seriously pursuing them or knew that they could never get them.
It was an excuse to show lots of cool PCE games at trade shows to prove their system could do cool stuff, while they continued to bring over the cheapest/easiest to aquire/localize games.
Like that promo video with footage of dozens of PCE games to prove that they outnumbered the competition worldwide, -and could theoretically flood the U.S. market with tons of games if they chose(but they were only going to bring out the very best titles). :roll:
I don't conside 99% of unreleased TTI titles to be legit, unlike Working Designs' Cosmic 3 or even their Neo Geo ports.
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It was an excuse to show lots of cool PCE games at trade shows to prove their system could do cool stuff, while they continued to bring over the cheapest/easiest to aquire/localize games.
Of course, they were banking on that when people saw these games they would pick up the system, and increase it's popularity. Then, they would have the money to bring the bigger games over.
This never happened :)
OD
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Yeah, I've tried asking over at the Hudson boards, to see if anyone has any info, but Dementia hasn't gotten back to me yet, & ofcoarse, he said that alot of those, most, if not all, won't have any info on those. Still, I know some of those had SOME development. Since I had a few connections. I remember, an old friend of mine, had a friend, whose dad was working on some kind of hack n' slash for the Turbo. And my friend got to play it, but, it was never completed, but he said it was really cool. I wonder if maybe that was Riftwar Saga. I should've dug out my mag's, to see if the pics I have looked familliar to him.
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Yeah, I've tried asking over at the Hudson boards, to see if anyone has any info, but Dementia hasn't gotten back to me yet, & ofcoarse, he said that alot of those, most, if not all, won't have any info on those. Still, I know some of those had SOME development. Since I had a few connections. I remember, an old friend of mine, had a friend, whose dad was working on some kind of hack n' slash for the Turbo. And my friend got to play it, but, it was never completed, but he said it was really cool. I wonder if maybe that was Riftwar Saga. I should've dug out my mag's, to see if the pics I have looked familliar to him.
I remember people saying a few times over the years, that Konami never let anyone else put out their games, so TTI never could've gotten Snatcher or Gradius II or any other of the Konami games they either directly or indirectly said were coming over here.
As for Hudson deciding what Americans would like, we still got some pretty weird stuff while a bunch of Hudson and other brand games perfectly suited for N.A. never got here.
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Well, I don't know how true it is, about Konami not letting others release games over here, but supposedly Konami was contemplating releasing games over here themselves. Don't know how true that is either.
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Dredging up an old (but always interesting) topic:
I made up a list of unreleased or otherwise modified PCE games by comparing release lists from magazines at different times in 1990/1991. Please take a look here: http://www.disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/unreleased_pce.html
Corrections / Discussions are welcome.
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Very nice Chris !!
Thanks for translations about the Strider SGX project.
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Chris, Very good work. You forgot the unreleased Missile Fighter.
@Thibaut: What about your PCE Unreleased Book? I can't wait to see what you guys are preparing for years. :wink:
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The project Missile Fighter start in 1993.
Our PCE book will arrive soon, just a little patience.
I will post a topic when the book is ready.
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Dredging up an old (but always interesting) topic:
I made up a list of unreleased or otherwise modified PCE games by comparing release lists from magazines at different times in 1990/1991. Please take a look here: http://www.disgruntleddesigner.com/chrisc/unreleased_pce.html
Corrections / Discussions are welcome.
Chris, that's a wonderful resource. The color-coding was a nice touch :) as well.