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Title: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: rasterfarian on January 15, 2008, 06:07:30 AM
Hello all,
I have a Core II which as far as I know cannot save any game data, but - I used a level select cheat on Splatterhouse, and it worked fine.....but only twice. Then it wouldn't work any more. Turned it off and on a couple of times, thinking it would clear out any memory of using the cheat.
So - am I wrong about it having no internal memory, or did it save a change to the hucard, or ???
I can't think of any way other than it counting that I'd used the cheat and saving that I'd used it, to stop it working any more times. It interested me as if it did save someplace then that means I should be able to save scores too. Somehow.
I'll try it again later and see if the cheat is working again, and try other d-pads etc.
If I was wrong about there being no internal memory - um, does anyone know how to see what there is saved on it and how to clear it?
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nat on January 15, 2008, 06:22:48 AM
The CoreGrafx consoles have no memory. Neither does the Splatterhouse cart.
Either you are entering the code wrong or something is funky with your controller.
Make sure the turbo switches are all in the OFF (lower-most) position.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Necromancer on January 15, 2008, 07:23:47 AM
Welcome aboard!
Like nat said, there is nothing being saved anywhere. Either your controller is wonky, your cartridge is haunted (oooh, spooky), or there's a short between the controller and the chair. The correct code is Select, Select, Select, hold Left and press Run when the house and lightning are on screen. Good luck.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 15, 2008, 07:26:00 AM
Who's actually tried the cheat on an actual hucard and it definitely keeps on working?
Well, we don't really need to do that to know that it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the system OR the cartridge to "remember" anything in any way, shape or form. Neither one has a battery backed-up memory, or any other kind of memory for that matter.
Therefor we can conclude that the problem is either user error or controller malfunction of some sort.
If you read back, I did try to provide you with some useful information. I said make sure the turbo switches (the little sliders above buttons I and II) are in the DOWNWARD setting when you are entering the code.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Necromancer on January 16, 2008, 02:40:32 AM
Who's actually tried the cheat on an actual hucard and it definitely keeps on working?
A bit touchy, eh? The first two responses gave you relevant answers; like nat and I said, either your controller is not working properly or you entered the code wrong. There are no other logical explanations. I don't have the PCE version, but I can confirm that the code works fine on the TG-16 version.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nat on January 16, 2008, 04:50:10 AM
No, what's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE is for the same cheat code to cease to work, when the controller continues to works exactly as it had been
Unless the operator is making some mistake upon entering it.
For the third time, feel free to check the settings of your turbo switches. You seem to be ignoring that piece of advice when it could very well be your problem.
Oh, and take a chill pill. Necromancer was playing around. Making a joke. A funny. Ha ha. That kind of thing. Put down the sword for a minute and see we're actually trying to help you.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Necromancer on January 16, 2008, 05:15:16 AM
Alright, you're not touchy, just grouchy. I apologize if you thought that I meant to imply that you are a retarded oaf - I only meant that you may have entered the code incorrectly or at the wrong time (I'm not perfect, but mayhap you are). I'll stand by my original assessment that you either entered the code wrong, your controller is acting up intermittently, or you had the turbo switches on (as nat has suggested a few dozen times). The only other possible explanation that I can think of is that your HuCard is faulty, which is unlikely unless you've somehow mistreated it. There is no way that a bare CoreGrafx could save anything, period, end of story.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 16, 2008, 05:17:25 AM
Faulty card = pretty unlikely.
Faulty controller = kind of likely although it working fine outside of this cheat makes it seem unlikely.
You making a dog's breakfast of putting the code in = most likely.
There don't seem to be any other credible explanations that I can think of.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 16, 2008, 05:24:25 AM
"Hence, duh" is literary genius I would compare to the likes of Shakespeare!
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"Do you bite your thumb at me, sir!?" "Hence, duh." "AGASP!" :shock:
Also, you don't have to put /end sarcasm in quotes, because one, I know you weren't really jaded enough to say it in real life and two, the forum won't use it as SMF code.
And also dude, check your damn controller. Despite what you may think, these people do know what they're talking about.
WTF!? Am I the only one who has never heard these sayings before? :shock:
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 16, 2008, 05:32:44 AM
Actually guys, it does say that Splatterhouse for the Turbo-Grafx contains 4 bytes of RAM, presumably so it can store the options, and possibly the cheat variables:
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nat on January 16, 2008, 05:34:39 AM
Faulty controller = kind of likely although it working fine outside of this cheat makes it seem unlikely.
True, though I once had a controller that would randomly use turbo on button I (due to a cracked board). Since turbo doesn't do anything unless the button is held (in most games), it wasn't really noticeable.
Actually guys, it does say that Splatterhouse for the Turbo-Grafx contains 4 bytes of RAM, presumably so it can store the options, and possibly the cheat variables:
www.notfunny.com (http://www.google.com/)
Lame. Surprise!
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 16, 2008, 05:49:14 AM
Who's actually tried the cheat on an actual hucard and it definitely keeps on working?
Yes I have. Yes it does.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 16, 2008, 05:50:49 AM
OK, to summarize... Unless you have a CD or Booster attachment, there is no way your Turbo or your Splatterhouse game can save any settings. This means either the game, your hardware, or your fingers (and thus code entry abilities) have developed a problem.
I will tell you that some game codes are very finicky. Sometimes I'll get codes right several times and then I won't be able to get them to work for weeks on end because some aspect of my timing is off.
The consensus here appears to be that either your code entry or controller conditions have changed a little and that's throwing you off. You don't have to like it, or even agree, for it to be true. You can't be perfect all the time.
AFAIK there's no other help we can really offer up with what you've given us to work with.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 16, 2008, 06:11:00 AM
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nat on January 16, 2008, 06:30:45 AM
I just checked the code and apparently it doesn't involve buttons I and II anyway, so I guess the turbo switches wouldn't be a problem. Sorry 'bout that.
EDIT: Disregard.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 16, 2008, 06:43:58 AM
I just checked the code and apparently it doesn't involve buttons I and II anyway, so I guess the turbo switches wouldn't be a problem. Sorry 'bout that.
No, you had it right:
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Splatterhouse Level Select While the rain is falling on the title screen, press Run and press Select, Select, Select. Next hit Button I while holding Down-Left on the directional pad.
Note: If you select level 0 you'll warp to the final boss.
I'm way more than that "jaded" enough for real to say a lot more than that. Anyone dumb enough to try talking to me that way and I didn't know who they were - let's say there are ways of getting to them that their cowardly anonymity shielding doesn't help them with. Not of course, and I shouldn't have to point this out either, that anyone here could possibly have any knowledge of what I am like for-real. We haven't met, so you don't know me then do you. How can you guess what I'm like for real based on two posts about one topic; that's just mentally ill. It's also a lot more PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE than the possibility that a console or a hucard might have properties some people don't know about. Maybe someone you do know likes to pretend they are people you reply to online. Or maybe you have people here believe you can slide up banisters against gravity, & perhaps time will tell what fingers you have their weak minds twisted around. I'll certainly be keeping a watch on this topic.
I'm not sure if going by the comments that the hucard is considered here to contain any RAM or not. However that was going to be my next thing to point out - all the hucards I have have the means to save the scores (no additional peripherals required) while the game remains on. Turn it off and they forget it, since there's no longer any power being supplied by the console. That sounds like RAM and I've certainly seen other people in other forums saying there are hucards that contain RAM. Where else might the scores be being saved. You'd think anyone that knew things about consoles might have noticed something like temporary score saves.
And since it keeps coming up, no I didn't move the turbo buttons. Once it stopped working, I then tried them in different positions. If I had moved them previously, and the cheat ceased working, then I'd have considered that that may have been why. I can appreciate that maybe some people find that the way they enter codes changes from second to second, but it doesn't with me. I've entered a lot of cheats in my time on multiple different machines etc and I've not had that problem. If it works, it works. If I happen to get a timing wrong, it only happens a couple of time max - not indefinitely.
If you thought I moved the turbo buttons and neglected to say so or consider that - then you are trying to call me an idiot. But it's you that's the idiot.
Oh and - the chill pill. I did explain already that I'm not the one being unreasonable here. What do you think this is - if I'd have been that way to anyone then I'd have been well aware that I was trying to use them to make myself look funny to the ignorant morons (not that I'd do such a thing - play to ignorant morons or use people that way). So why should I treat it any different if someone thinks they can try it on me. You must be used to interacting only with total dipshits or you have no life outside web forums, text-messaging, and chatrooms.
TLDR. Anyway, we don't care how you are in real life because this is how you are on the internet. Go f*ck yourself.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Necromancer on January 16, 2008, 08:08:07 AM
I tried to apologize for the perceived slight; what more do you want tough guy? I don't really care what you're like in real life, but I bet you're a hoot.
I'm not sure if going by the comments that the hucard is considered here to contain any RAM or not. However that was going to be my next thing to point out - all the hucards I have have the means to save the scores (no additional peripherals required) while the game remains on. Turn it off and they forget it, since there's no longer any power being supplied by the console. That sounds like RAM and I've certainly seen other people in other forums saying there are hucards that contain RAM. Where else might the scores be being saved. You'd think anyone that knew things about consoles might have noticed something like temporary score saves.
You are absolutely wrong here. The HuCard is not storing any of the temporary data - it's in the system's memory, which is why it's lost when you turn off the power. The only HuCards that are capable of saving without any peripherals are those that have the RomRam logo - Tennokoe Bank and Populous. You stated that you cycled the power, so nothing could have been saved that would've prevented the code from working (unless you cycled the power really quickly, which could've caused any type of error). This brings us back to either a hardware problem or a user error (which is not an insult unless you have a God complex).
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 16, 2008, 09:55:32 AM
Oh, paul there - seeing as it looks like you run the Bible site; I noticed the other day looking at sites that come up in a search that some of your pages don't work / display properly.
In fact oddly enough one of them was the cheat page(s) that google directed me to. How co-incidental.
That's particularly odd as I don't have any cheat pages on my site.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Necromancer on January 16, 2008, 10:32:03 AM
Actually guys, it does say that Splatterhouse for the Turbo-Grafx contains 4 bytes of RAM, presumably so it can store the options, and possibly the cheat variables:
anyway, RAM wouldn't help you to store anything, unless there is an add. battery built-in as well. but all that just for a secret cheat limitation?
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: GUTS on January 16, 2008, 01:08:03 PM
To the rastafarian gaylord, are you really so f*cking stupid that you think pretending to be a tough guy on the internet really intimidates anyone? Hey dude don't mess with me, I'm 300lbs of solid muscle and a super computer hacker, I'll track you down in real life! HAHAHA, what a f*cking dipshit.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 16, 2008, 01:56:20 PM
I AM MEGAMAN! I WILL CRUSH ALL OPPOSITION! PH33R T3H L337NESS!
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 16, 2008, 02:23:55 PM
Hah! I'm 30 and slightly overweight! And I won't beat yer ass, even in real life, because I'm largely a pacifist! So there!
And like was said earlier, the PCE stores scores in system RAM, not hucard RAM, and when the power cycles on the system that RAM gets flushed.
Either something's broken or you're failing to get the code right. There is no other practical explanation. You can post rants in here and try and get into pissing contests with people, but really, you can't be all that wonderful a person if you've managed to get everyone in the thread so far annoyed at you. Some of these people are pretty level headed and tolerant (no, Kitsunexus, I would never accuse you of being level headed so don't worry :D) so the problem here is definitely more you than us.
So take a time-out, cool down, and sit out a couple days before coming back and trying that last post again.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Tatsujin on January 16, 2008, 02:25:28 PM
but now it's gettin' more and more silly.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 16, 2008, 04:02:01 PM
Okay guys, seriously, it's threads that turn into crap like this that make people stop participating in the forums in the first place. I've seen this happen a few times here, and I would hope the mods, whoever they are, do a better job of keeping this from happening. This is exactly what will discourage new people from joining the scene, and that's exactly what the Turbo scene doesn't need.
As an unbiased observer, I think the question could have been answered quickly and simply, without alienating him - this really should have ended with nat's and necromancer's original posts.
Sorry if I come off with a "mightier than thou" tone, but this needs to be said.
OD
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nat on January 16, 2008, 04:13:47 PM
My very first post in this thread (which was the first reply in the thread, period) was succinct, to the point, and addressed all aspects of his issue. You're right, this thread could have ended right there. Instead, he chose to reject this explanation and went so far as to blame Necromancer for insulting him. In my next attempt I tried to go into a little more detail and explain the situation a little more clearly. At this point he accused me of insulting his intelligence and went on rambling like a looney about what he's like in "real life" or something.
He did a good job of bringing all that followed down on himself, really.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Tatsujin on January 16, 2008, 06:18:06 PM
yes. i'm always good for a healthy hint of sarcasm, that's also what a forum needs and from what it lives in the end. but sometimes it drifts in a wrong direction and in this example, rasterfarian was all the cause for.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 16, 2008, 06:24:04 PM
You see, in the words of Billy Joel, we didn't start the fire. There was only helpful advice given, and he just lets loose with this 13-year old shitstorm flame to something that wasn't even true.
As I've learned, if you start something, you better be damn well prepared to finish it. He wasn't, he's gone, end of story.
In other news: WHY DO YOU HAVE TO CHEAT AT f*ckING SPLATTERHOUSE!? That is all.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 16, 2008, 07:21:03 PM
Okay guys, seriously, it's threads that turn into crap like this that make people stop participating in the forums in the first place. I've seen this happen a few times here, and I would hope the mods, whoever they are, do a better job of keeping this from happening. This is exactly what will discourage new people from joining the scene, and that's exactly what the Turbo scene doesn't need.
As an unbiased observer, I think the question could have been answered quickly and simply, without alienating him - this really should have ended with nat's and necromancer's original posts.
Sorry if I come off with a "mightier than thou" tone, but this needs to be said.
OD
Sometimes certain people just should be sent home packing.They cant hack it around here due to the burden of bearing a bloated internet ego. Its natural selection on these forums at times,ask Validus...oops.forgot, you cant,he had to go too :P
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 16, 2008, 07:28:12 PM
this really should have ended with nat's and necromancer's original posts.
Wait wait wait, I just now read this. So because I asked for clarification on something Necromancer said, now I'M THE BADGUY? Just where the f*ck do you get off? You hardly ever post, I don't even f*cking know you, and now I'M THE f*ckING BADGUY when I didn't even say a damn thing in that post that would be offensive to the OP.
Really man, f*ck you. I hope none of your loved ones ever contract cancer or AIDS, because it would be a disgrace to those diseases.
EDIT: And thank you for runing my weekend even more than it was just ruined 2 hours ago.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 16, 2008, 07:49:35 PM
this really should have ended with nat's and necromancer's original posts.
Wait wait wait, I just now read this. So because I asked for clarification on something Necromancer said, now I'M THE BADGUY? Just where the f*ck do you get off? You hardly ever post, I don't even f*cking know you, and now I'M THE f*ckING BADGUY when I didn't even say a damn thing in that post that would be offensive to the OP.
Really man, f*ck you. I hope none of your loved ones ever contract cancer or AIDS, because it would be a disgrace to those diseases.
EDIT: And thank you for runing my weekend even more than it was just ruined 2 hours ago.
He didn't say that, you've put 2+2 together and got 5 there I think.
However, in reply to OD, the OP alienated himself by taking offense at some innocuous banter and getting everyone's backs up. Not the way to ingratiate yourself to a community as a newcomer.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 16, 2008, 10:13:55 PM
Oh the cheat index page, I thought you meant a specific cheat page, my mistake. Well the site is being redone anyway so that problem will go away.
And thank you for explaining your position so clearly, I'm sure everyone can make their own judgements from your last post.
Title: Re: shut your miserable holes, faggots
Post by: elnino on January 16, 2008, 10:48:07 PM
I'm so going to put this place in my blog as an example of yet another forum full of the same retards that mess up most other forums - I got a whole list of them where the same freakshows as your kind are at.
Please, don't do this, you're going way too far now! The people here didn't think about the consequences when they posted and I'm sure they'd have responded differently knowing you'd go so far as posting this forum on a blog.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 16, 2008, 11:31:09 PM
Wow. Usually these kind of melt downs occur between greedy capitalistic eBay jerks and PCE neo-levelers who are communist in no other way outside of TG-16 game values for some reason. Its f*cking insane that an argument like this could result from a stupid cheat code.
People are still doing that "you don't know me in real life!" thing? Also amazing. If you're an ass on the internet, its pretty likely that you are an ass in real life, you probably just have less guts there.
Rasterfarian...is your name a pun, a misspelling, or the most ironic thing I've heard all week?
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nodtveidt on January 16, 2008, 11:35:30 PM
Oh sheesh, chill the f*ck OUT EVERYBODY. This kind of bullshit is completely unnecessary.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: rasterfarian on January 17, 2008, 12:47:44 AM
It speaks for itself does this thread.
I just responded in a normal way to being ridiculed; I even pointed out that if I had been the way some here have been to me in reply then I'd have known I was acting like a cunt - so you should too.
Don't try to insult me further by pretending that you don't get that, cause I know that you know better. It's always the same with digs - if you respond to it as any normal person would, then you get this response that either claims you need to chill out or that you have no right to be taking anyone up for what they said. Well it doesn't work that way.
You always get people in the dumber sections of society that think they can apply their little gang or club rules to others, as if anyone is interested in being part of it. I tend to find the 'you're not allowed to react normally if you're insulted etc' to be at best an offshoot of that.
And to re-iterate, you don't know me do you - so what's the issue with that? It's a fact. I do talk to idiots the same way in real offline life. I'm not the one living a lie. They know they can't reveal what they're really about so they only have their anonymous cowards to work through, instead of say - where or who they would prefer to do any talking out of; and as said, there's all kinds of ways of getting to them. But the point is that none of that should have anything to do with any forums at all, especially forums about things like videogames.
I also find it curious how a console as old as the PCE manages to attract that kind of no-education still-in-school-chatting-on-a-textphone ned mentality. What happened, were some of you sucked forward or backwards in time through a Polybius cab.
Anyway I have better things to do than have my energy drained with pointless exchanges.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nodtveidt on January 17, 2008, 01:08:43 AM
Hrm...some posts disappeared.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 17, 2008, 01:13:54 AM
Please, don't do this, you're going way too far now! The people here didn't think about the consequences when they posted and I'm sure they'd have responded differently knowing you'd go so far as posting this forum on a blog.
:lol: worth this thread :lol:
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 17, 2008, 01:56:33 AM
If you're an ass on the internet, its pretty likely that you are an ass in real life, you probably just have less guts there.
Speaking from experience are we Grumpy Smurf? :P
As far as the other guy goes,reading most of the last banter was too closely resembling the Tom Cruse Scientology video. It started to break down into gibberish about real life,and doing something,and after that I simply get lost cause I'm too busy texting and goin to school. I swear,dear lord,your accusing us of teeny bopper nerd mentality,but your the one doing the blog thing??? WTF is up with that double standard. I seriously doubt many of us here are in school,texting,or other things you think we are busy doing since you don't know any of us in real life,let alone on here,so you shouldn't assume so much....
I'm not the one living a lie. They know they can't reveal what they're really about so they only have their anonymous cowards to work through, instead of say - where or who they would prefer to do any talking out of; and as said, there's all kinds of ways of getting to them.
I reveal what I'm about all the time,you just didn't stick around long enough to see. I also don't remember too many here using messenger boys to do any insulting.Everyone pulls their own weight around here. Also,how could you seriously in gods name threaten us,let alone manage to orchestrait a hit/attack/aka getting to us,if you cant even manage a simple cheat code? I will be amazed if you can even manage your blog....
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 17, 2008, 02:05:46 AM
Since this thread is pretty much pointless, I suggest a mod lock it. The OP has no interest in actually getting answers that gel with reality and no interest in having civil discourse. And some here have decided to respond in kind (uncivilly).
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 17, 2008, 02:13:06 AM
Threads rarely get locked around here,only in extreme cases. There are still other members here that haven't had the chance yet to add their name to this legend for the guys blog,so you need to settle down for a min or two and wait :).Aaron will lock it if it gets terribly out of hand,in other words the guy making real threats of described violence,cussing,the rapings of mothers not yet mentioned,ect...I doubt it will even get that far due to the guy insisting he wont be coming back because of energy related issues.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 17, 2008, 02:27:11 AM
I wonder if he got the cheat to work yet. :-k
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nat on January 17, 2008, 02:54:52 AM
Wait wait wait, I just now read this. So because I asked for clarification on something Necromancer said, now I'M THE BADGUY? Just where the f*ck do you get off? You hardly ever post, I don't even f*cking know you, and now I'M THE f*ckING BADGUY when I didn't even say a damn thing in that post that would be offensive to the OP.
Really man, f*ck you. I hope none of your loved ones ever contract cancer or AIDS, because it would be a disgrace to those diseases.
EDIT: And thank you for runing my weekend even more than it was just ruined 2 hours ago.
Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about...
Now going back to the beginning of the thread, everything after Necromancer and Nat's original posts was mindless jibber-jabber between a few board regulars and there were even a few insults thrown towards this guy (in the form of sarcastic joking). Now I don't know who he is, but putting myself in his shoes, I'd be insulted too.
The majority of people come off as asses when typing something out. It happens, and easily thanks to the lack of tone in something typed. And it's all too easy to read what someone typed the wrong way.
From someone who's been part of the Turbo online scene for 10+ years now and has been doing his best to educate the uneducated, I view this thread as a step back. There isn't a single person to blame, it was kind of a team effort - the raster guy was a significant part of it too.
Think of it from his point of view - the TG16 Hucards are the only cartridges since the Master System that don't have some sort of memory built in for saving. His question was perfectly logical and reasonable in my mind. But things spiraled way off topic quickly.
This isn't my board, so all I can ask is people think of this forum as a knowledge base. I don't know about you, but when I am searching for information, forums are a great place to browse or search. This thread is completely unsearchable - how is this going to help the next guy who has the same question?
I realize that by me butting into this thread I've also helped take it off topic, and that what I am saying is obviously pissing a few people off, but that is not my intention.
OD
/edit: to show I am trying to be helpful and mean so in a positive tone, I've changed my personal text in the forum (on the left) :)
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: shubibiman on January 17, 2008, 05:20:11 AM
Thing is, this guy had an issue with a game, 2 guies answered to help him out and the guy reacted by feeling insulted...wait, something must be wrong...
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 17, 2008, 05:21:09 AM
The guy is a twat. Period.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 17, 2008, 05:40:45 AM
Thing is, this guy had an issue with a game, 2 guies answered to help him out and the guy reacted by feeling insulted...wait, something must be wrong...
Right, but there were about 8 miscellaneous posts after that poking fun of him, and making light of his question. I don't remember exactly when he posted (as the dork has removed them) within those 8 posts, but he definitely saw some of them. I think that was the catalyst - from there he responded poorly, then back and forth it went.
OD
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: GUTS on January 17, 2008, 06:39:03 AM
There's a difference between mischievous and insulting, any normal person could have seen that necromancer was just goofing off in a light-hearted way (he even apologized before the guy went ape shit). What I find hilarious is that the guy has a whole list of boards that have pissed him off, which leads me to believe that the problem is his uptight ass since most people don't go around having problems with every message board they come across.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 17, 2008, 07:09:49 AM
There's a difference between mischievous and insulting, any normal person could have seen that necromancer was just goofing off in a light-hearted way (he even apologized before the guy went ape shit). What I find hilarious is that the guy has a whole list of boards that have pissed him off, which leads me to believe that the problem is his uptight ass since most people don't go around having problems with every message board they come across.
What I'm trying to say is the first two posts (Necromancer's and nat's) answered his question - Necomancer didn't need to apologize for anything I don't think. But there was no need for anyone else to chime in after that (sometimes it seems like people post for the sake of bringing their post count up) :)
But this raster guy certainly could have responded better than he did.
OD
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: MissaFX on January 17, 2008, 07:15:18 AM
This thread is still alive? This guy was a new user who asked an ignorant question and maybe he was treated like a non-newbie, he surely overreacted and once he knew it was a joke, he continued to act like it wasn't a joke, which ended up dragging this on much longer than it had to be. Maybe some people here need to be more newbie conscious but he also could have had an ounce of humor in him.
Lets just let this die, m'kay?
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nat on January 17, 2008, 07:17:20 AM
Thing is, this guy had an issue with a game, 2 guies answered to help him out and the guy reacted by feeling insulted...wait, something must be wrong...
Right, but there were about 8 miscellaneous posts after that poking fun of him, and making light of his question. I don't remember exactly when he posted (as the dork has removed them) within those 8 posts, but he definitely saw some of them. I think that was the catalyst - from there he responded poorly, then back and forth it went.
OD
Well,aren't we trying to b part of the group now,with you calling him a dork. Seriously,thats how it goes around here,someone goes off the deep end,we trash em and set'em straight. We are probably a little uptight,but as of late there have been other psychos posting here and causing issues. Unless you post here enough,its kinda like your opinion about our reactions to the dumb asses don't count because you don't know half of us or our reasoning.
Wait wait wait, I just now read this. So because I asked for clarification on something Necromancer said, now I'M THE BADGUY? Just where the f*ck do you get off? You hardly ever post, I don't even f*cking know you, and now I'M THE f*ckING BADGUY when I didn't even say a damn thing in that post that would be offensive to the OP.
Really man, f*ck you. I hope none of your loved ones ever contract cancer or AIDS, because it would be a disgrace to those diseases.
EDIT: And thank you for runing my weekend even more than it was just ruined 2 hours ago.
Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about...
The majority of people come off as asses when typing something out. It happens, and easily thanks to the lack of tone in something typed. And it's all too easy to read what someone typed the wrong way.
From someone who's been part of the Turbo online scene for 10+ years now and has been doing his best to educate the uneducated, I view this thread as a step back. There isn't a single person to blame, it was kind of a team effort - the raster guy was a significant part of it too.
. The majority here didn't come off as asses as far as I could tell,just the original poster in his initial attacks.Those types of things always bring reactions. Thats a given. Its kinda odd of you to come here and play judge on all of us,no one asked that of you....I do see your point OD,but it doesn't apply to every situation,esp this one.
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This isn't my board, so all I can ask is people think of this forum as a knowledge base. I don't know about you, but when I am searching for information, forums are a great place to browse or search. This thread is completely unsearchable - how is this going to help the next guy who has the same question?
I realize that by me butting into this thread I've also helped take it off topic, and that what I am saying is obviously pissing a few people off, but that is not my intention.
OD
/edit: to show I am trying to be helpful and mean so in a positive tone, I've changed my personal text in the forum (on the left) :)
Id honestly never find this useful,as most US titles state you need a battery back up,aka turbo booster plus,or Turbo Cd,or Duo back up memory,and if your able to import and collect Pc-Engine stuff,you should have prior knowledge and know these basics.Someone like him who has a real problem managing a cheat code obviously has a hard time managing their temper and life too in general. The guy made that obvious.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Necromancer on January 17, 2008, 08:42:37 AM
Think of it from his point of view - the TG16 Hucards are the only cartridges since the Master System that don't have some sort of memory built in for saving. His question was perfectly logical and reasonable in my mind. But things spiraled way off topic quickly.
Things went wildly off topic because he refused to believe that he was being given correct information and started berating us.
This thread is still alive? This guy was a new user who asked an ignorant question and maybe he was treated like a non-newbie, he surely overreacted and once he knew it was a joke, he continued to act like it wasn't a joke, which ended up dragging this on much longer than it had to be. Maybe some people here need to be more newbie conscious but he also could have had an ounce of humor in him.
Lets just let this die, m'kay?
Since I'm the one who got his dander up, I'll stick my final two cents in before the madness ends. My original comment was not meant to insult but only to say that he made an error; it's not a new saying, and I've never heard it to applied to mean that someone is an idiot. Regardless, he took it as an affront, for which I apologized and he declined. There were no other mean or insulting posts until he returned to make further threatening, ignorant, and abusive comments.
PS - Posting in a thread to say 'let it die' is counter productive.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nodtveidt on January 17, 2008, 08:46:35 AM
Well,aren't we trying to b part of the group now,with you calling him a dork. Seriously,thats how it goes around here,someone goes off the deep end,we trash em and set'em straight. We are probably a little uptight,but as of late there have been other psychos posting here and causing issues. Unless you post here enough,its kinda like your opinion about our reactions to the dumb asses don't count because you don't know half of us or our reasoning.
Don't loose your fury on Odonadon. He may not post much, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on. He tends to be a lurker rather than a poster, but trust me, he knows what's up at all times, and will only post if necessary.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: MissaFX on January 17, 2008, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Necromancer
PS - Posting in a thread to say 'let it die' is counter productive.
If that's all I had said then yes I would agree with you. However in this case I was trying to point out that everyone has some valid points and that the thread really isn't going in any new constructive direction so that people could take a moment to think about how important this all really was.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 17, 2008, 10:21:32 AM
PS - Posting in a thread to say 'let it die' is counter productive.
If that's all I had said then yes I would agree with you. However in this case I was trying to point out that everyone has some valid points and that the thread really isn't going in any new constructive direction so that people could take a moment to think about how important this all really was.
Agreed. Just ends up being though that we need to be destructive on threads like this so we can be productive on the far more important ones at times.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 17, 2008, 02:09:57 PM
Well, since this discussion has veered into new territory...
Part of the problem is that this is a relatively tightly knit, insular message board. There are some of us who are friendly and welcoming, some of us who are relatively neutral, and some of us who are quick to insult and generally be dicks (but are otherwise contributing members of the community). This is much like any forum community.
The other part of the problem is that the mods are so laid back that those among us who are quick to lash out have no concern about being warned or having threads locked. There are a number of threads, some created by Validus and this one, that should have had some moderator-issued warnings (and not just to the OP/instigator) and have been locked, thus nipped in the bud, quickly. Period.
With proper mod response and involvement people like validus and rastafarian will quickly either begin to adapt and become productive members of the community or they will fail to adapt and go away. And they will do so with less foaming at the mouth all around. Our current "no holds barred" status means people do get run off, but there's a much smaller chance of reforming the offenders into positive contributors.
But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 17, 2008, 03:40:26 PM
Well, since this discussion has veered into new territory...
Part of the problem is that this is a relatively tightly knit, insular message board. There are some of us who are friendly and welcoming, some of us who are relatively neutral, and some of us who are quick to insult and generally be dicks (but are otherwise contributing members of the community). This is much like any forum community.
The other part of the problem is that the mods are so laid back that those among us who are quick to lash out have no concern about being warned or having threads locked. There are a number of threads, some created by Validus and this one, that should have had some moderator-issued warnings (and not just to the OP/instigator) and have been locked, thus nipped in the bud, quickly. Period.
With proper mod response and involvement people like validus and rastafarian will quickly either begin to adapt and become productive members of the community or they will fail to adapt and go away. And they will do so with less foaming at the mouth all around. Our current "no holds barred" status means people do get run off, but there's a much smaller chance of reforming the offenders into positive contributors.
But that's just my opinion.
Wow, a great and well thought out post from an unbiased observer that makes a lot of sense, yet points fingers at no individual. This is what a certain wannabe vigilante needs to read.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 17, 2008, 04:01:06 PM
If the mods get trigger happy, I'll simply leave. I'm only interested in natural, organic conversation. This isn't 5th grade, or corporate radio, or some such shit. If I have to think about the idea of some prick deleting my post, and structure everything I say some someone else's idea of "on topic", I'll just waste my time elsewhere.
I find it really pathetic that people actually want to be modded.
OK, this is pretty abstract, but I happen to be a huge fan of the anime Macross 7. At first I really hated it, but a few years ago I finally "got" it, and its become one of my all time favorite shows, especially the Dynamite OVAs. Basically, the reason why I like it is the hero, Basara, who instead of blowing away the enemy with lasers, sings and plays guitar. At first the reaction of all the people in the show is the same as mine, "My Dog, that is f*cking stupid", or something like that. After a while though Basara's total dedication to his form of peace making really wins you over though. He doesn't shoot when he's "forced to kill!" or whatever, he never shoots. Ever. He lives his method, Ghandi style, and it blows me away.
So I was really amazed by a story I read on the BBC about a group of musicians in Colombia who when they heard of tragically violent events like bombings, or guerilla rebel fighting and all that crappy stuff that those people have to deal with, would go the scene and play music. Some of them had guitars made from old rifles, which really reminded me of Basara because he would always fly into battle in a Valkyrie, a weapon of war, with no guns on it.
So anyway, I told my friend about it who reads Macross World a lot (or maybe some other Macross site I don't go to) and he posted it there calling it "Real Life Macross 7", or something like that.
A mod locked the topic saying it was off topic.
Even though I had never even been to the forum, this really pissed me off. The BBC article was TOTALY on topic. It really was a real life Macross 7 (with no aliens). It couldn't be more on topic, and anyone that actually understood Macross 7 would understand that utterly. I have no doubt whatsoever that Shoji Kawamori would also be amazed by the BBC article. (If I ever have a chance to meet him again, I'll mention it. Last time was before the BBC thing). The problem was simply that the mod was a dumb-ass. He didn't understand Macross 7, and locked the topic before any of the people that read the forums could even talk about it and decide what they though about it.
Basically, I say what I want to say and if you don't like it you can either ignore me, or flame me. Either take me on, or forget I exist. Don't pray to a internet guardian angel to shut me up because you can handle yourself in a conversation.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 17, 2008, 04:52:00 PM
Damn. More good points. I actually see no problem with the way we have things now, except for the people that come in just to start attacks, and Odonadon deputizing himself and painting me as Public Enemy numero uno. I don't think I'll leave if we get moderators, but it definitely won't be as fun.
BTW Zeta, I heard good things about Macross, but I HATED Robotech when they put it on CN, and we all know the story of how the 80's TV studios had to PAY to finish the Robotech saga on air.
Is it better as Macross, or should I just not watch it?
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 17, 2008, 05:08:03 PM
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BTW Zeta, I heard good things about Macross, but I HATED Robotech when they put it on CN, and we all know the story of how the 80's TV studios had to PAY to finish the Robotech saga on air.
Is it better as Macross, or should I just not watch it?
I'm quite the Macross fan and all. I have the DRYL Perfect Edition CAV laserdisc. I was mail ordering Macross model kits from photocopied catalogs that said, "Check your local TV listings soon for "Robotech", the English version of Macross!!!" hand written in the margins. I had Kawamori draw me an SD VT-1D, which sits framed on my dresser. Etc etc...
...but I have no idea what you are talking about. In my area Robotech ran all the way through several times. Although the time slot wasn't very good, it was on five days a week for two or three years. I don't know what you mean by "80's TV studios" since the entire of Robotech was animated in Japan, and only edited and dubbed in...Texas, I think. I had no idea they were showing it on CN. I haven't seen Robotech in 15 years or more. I prefer the Japanese series, but the core of Macross is the same. There are only a few differences.
Basically the original three series that made up Robotech are though of by most people like this:
Macross: The best. Very good. Too bad the sequels aren't very good. Southern Cross: Not very interesting in either version. Mospeda: Very different in Japanese, and rather a good show.
You can get them all from Netflix. I'm pretty sure you still can't get a US version of Macross the movie though, other than the terrible dub on VHS from ages ago. You also can't get Flashback 2012, or Macross 7. You can get Macross Plus, which is OK but not wonderful, you can also get Macross II which sucks almost as bad as Macross Zero, which I'm pretty sure isn't out in the US.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 17, 2008, 05:20:41 PM
Yeah, back when I still cared to watch Toonami, I think around 2001-2002 somewhat, they decided to put on old episodes of Robotech, along with Gigantor during the commercial breaks (I think it was the year before the RT game came out?)
Anyway, I heard this story on the Internet that even though Robotech ran all the way through, it was a massive flop and the producers had to pay the studios that aired it in order to complete the story.
As a funny co-relation, I don't think Robotech ever finished when it was re-aired on CN; I certainly didn't care to watch it anyway (I only watched I think about 2 episodes).
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 17, 2008, 05:45:22 PM
Okay seriously - here we go wildly off topic again. All I am trying to do is point out that the moderators need to moderate, keep the conversation on topic and friendly, etc - please, I am begging. This is something that is not happening here, for whatever reason. The board can be run however it wants, however the style we have here will really chase away the newbies, as we've seen and been part of a few times now. This type of general conversation needs to be kept in the General forum. I only browse the PC/Engine and TG16 sections and avoid the General and Chit-Chat sections, and I don't want to read about Robotech in a thread pertaining to a legitimate question regarding a Hucard and built in memory.
Kitsunexus - I don't appreciate your profane personal messages, and I hope you don't expect a response from me. I didn't single out a single person, and as was pointed out earlier, you've put 2+2 together and got 5.
I've deputized myself here because I feel someone needs to. My current ID has been part of this forum since 2005, but I can assure you I've been here since the beginning. I'm appealing to everyone to just be helpful to the newbies, keep the off-topic conversations in an off-topic forum, and just overall try to be nice and accommodating to those who don't know any better. When they flip out, start shouting profanities, and start deleting their previous posts - well, that just makes the person a dork in my book. But let's forget that happened - was this newb initially treated with respect by everyone? Go back and read the first page of this thread - Not very helpful beyond the first two posts (Kitsunexus, you asked to clarify something necromancer said in the third post - this does not make you my enemy, nor is it what I am referring to).
OD
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 17, 2008, 05:52:28 PM
Well,aren't we trying to b part of the group now,with you calling him a dork. Seriously,thats how it goes around here,someone goes off the deep end,we trash em and set'em straight. We are probably a little uptight,but as of late there have been other psychos posting here and causing issues. Unless you post here enough,its kinda like your opinion about our reactions to the dumb asses don't count because you don't know half of us or our reasoning.
Well no, he did some things later on in the thread that makes me refer to him as a dork. It's not the posters here you should be concerned about, but rather the readers. An effective forum is one where people can quickly and readily share information. This thread is not quick, nor easy to read. This thread has had 439 views already - yet nowhere near 439 posts. There is an invisible majority, and these are the people we need to be helping.
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. The majority here didn't come off as asses as far as I could tell,just the original poster in his initial attacks.Those types of things always bring reactions. Thats a given. Its kinda odd of you to come here and play judge on all of us,no one asked that of you....I do see your point OD,but it doesn't apply to every situation,esp this one.
Well this really is my point, you didn't read anyone as coming off as asses. I did. Other people probably did as well. Other people probably read it and agree with you. It's all about perception.
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This isn't my board, so all I can ask is people think of this forum as a knowledge base. I don't know about you, but when I am searching for information, forums are a great place to browse or search. This thread is completely unsearchable - how is this going to help the next guy who has the same question?
Id honestly never find this useful,as most US titles state you need a battery back up,aka turbo booster plus,or Turbo Cd,or Duo back up memory,and if your able to import and collect Pc-Engine stuff,you should have prior knowledge and know these basics.Someone like him who has a real problem managing a cheat code obviously has a hard time managing their temper and life too in general. The guy made that obvious. [/quote] So this thread doesn't help you out any - me neither. Most of us here already know the answer. But I'm sure there are 50 Joe Blows out there wondering something along the same lines as this guy. I'd hope that any PC-Engine forum would welcome even someone who doesn't know the basics. We're here to help people.
OD
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 17, 2008, 06:16:05 PM
Okay seriously - here we go wildly off topic again. All I am trying to do is point out that the moderators need to moderate, keep the conversation on topic and friendly, etc - please, I am begging. This is something that is not happening here, for whatever reason.
Yeah, and all I'm trying to say is that the people you want on this forum don't need that shit. The people that get chased away are worthless to the community. "Hi! This is my first post, but I assure you I'm hardc@re. Please buy my Duo on eBay for $400!". Crap like that. Or this Splatterhouse jerk that thinks there is some magic little man in his PCE recording his progress beyond the limits of technical possibility. f*ck em.
A noob that will eventually become a PCEnginefx.com forum vet years down the road that is valuable to the scene and such won't be, for example, mortally offended because we told him he was putting the code in wrong.
If you really want to be told what to do, how to have your conversations can go, how to stay on topic, etc, there are many social and political organizations you can join that share your goodthink agenda. In the meantime I suggest you be the change you wish to see in the world and stop posting tons of off-topic posts about how off topic these posts are.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Necromancer on January 18, 2008, 03:24:25 AM
But let's forget that happened - was this newb initially treated with respect by everyone?
Yes, unless you consider an off topic post to be offensive (which it most certainly isn't). The correct answer was given in the first post after his question and confirmed in the following post, so there is no need for anyone to search this thread beyond the first two posts anyway. The abusive posts didn't start until after he came back, refuted the answers, and started making threats and hurling insults.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 18, 2008, 04:02:42 AM
I don't think mods are necessary to keep threads on topic. I think there needs to be a natural conversation flow. Enforcing rigid discussion can be really restricting and is no fun. Threads should not be locked for going off-topic, they should be locked because the thread has boiled down to trading insults and there is nothing fun or productive coming out of it.
I do think mods need to be active on insults and flaming and be willing to hand out warnings and lock threads where necessary. Sure, it seems likely rastafarian and validus would not have made good forum goers in the long-run, but we can't know for sure. If we'd had more patience and just ignored his insults instead of throwing them back maybe one of them would have got the point and actually mellowed a bit. Remember, on-line first impressions aren't always right, and people do change to fit their environment if there's something in it for them, like community or whatever.
So again, veer off-topic all you want, but if your instinctive response to a perceived sleight is to start flinging poo like our more primitive distant cousins perhaps a mod needs to let you know you need to look BEFORE you leap. I think communities can be spontaneous and honest and still have some ground rules for how you treat other people. Society needs such rules to function, and forums are, after a fashion, little, contained societies. Eye for an Eye is not a good forum policy, ever.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 18, 2008, 04:04:29 AM
Macross is pretty cool. I haven't given 7 a chance, yet. Plus is my favorite, though the original definitely gets high marks all around as well. I've been trying to get into Gundam lately, too. Some of it's good but some of it is very contrived and silly.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 18, 2008, 04:46:26 AM
So again, veer off-topic all you want, but if your instinctive response to a perceived sleight is to start flinging poo like our more primitive distant cousins perhaps a mod needs to let you know you need to look BEFORE you leap. I think communities can be spontaneous and honest and still have some ground rules for how you treat other people. Society needs such rules to function, and forums are, after a fashion, little, contained societies. Eye for an Eye is not a good forum policy, ever.
Exactly - let's moderates ourselves. I guess that's what I'm asking for. As a loyal visitor and reader of this forum, I think it's a simple request to treat people with respect. Rasterfarian posted a question regarding Splatterhouse and his cheat code, and random conversation between a few board regulars started up. This is surely insulting - if you've ever been to a new board and posted a question hoping for an answer, only to have the board talk among themselves in your thread like you weren't there, you'd be pissed off too.
Some people seem very comfortable in their niche they've carved out for themselves here - I guess all I can hope for is for just a few people to hopefully keep my points in mind with the next newb. It's a selfish request, because I (and many others) like coming to this forum and reading the topics. Unrelated personal discussions/questions in a public thread does not a good forum make.
OD
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: sunteam_paul on January 18, 2008, 05:52:43 AM
I don't think mods are necessary to keep threads on topic. I think there needs to be a natural conversation flow. Enforcing rigid discussion can be really restricting and is no fun. Threads should not be locked for going off-topic, they should be locked because the thread has boiled down to trading insults and there is nothing fun or productive coming out of it.
I do think mods need to be active on insults and flaming and be willing to hand out warnings and lock threads where necessary. Sure, it seems likely rastafarian and validus would not have made good forum goers in the long-run, but we can't know for sure. If we'd had more patience and just ignored his insults instead of throwing them back maybe one of them would have got the point and actually mellowed a bit. Remember, on-line first impressions aren't always right, and people do change to fit their environment if there's something in it for them, like community or whatever.
So again, veer off-topic all you want, but if your instinctive response to a perceived sleight is to start flinging poo like our more primitive distant cousins perhaps a mod needs to let you know you need to look BEFORE you leap. I think communities can be spontaneous and honest and still have some ground rules for how you treat other people. Society needs such rules to function, and forums are, after a fashion, little, contained societies. Eye for an Eye is not a good forum policy, ever.
I agree with this 100%.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 18, 2008, 06:14:54 AM
Quick question. If going off-topic is such a bad thing, why aren't we talking about Splatterhouse's cheat issue right now? :-k
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: nodtveidt on January 18, 2008, 06:15:52 AM
Quick question. If going off-topic is such a bad thing, why aren't we talking about Splatterhouse's cheat issue right now? :-k
Hey, I'd like to know that myself. #-o
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: GUTS on January 18, 2008, 06:46:36 AM
Only freedom haters like mods.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 18, 2008, 06:47:52 AM
Mark me up as a freedom hater, then.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 18, 2008, 06:54:19 AM
Odonadon, I don't completely agree with your assessment. If someone runs off with the topic the OP, or a mod, should simply reiterate the question or ask if anyone has any new ideas. The mod shouldn't necessarily admonish anyone for going off topic. That sort of thing is natural. But mods can take positive steps to try and steer some attention back to the original topic if it hasn't been properly addressed.
In the case of this thread, the OP's query was covered. Just because the OP didn't like the answer and refused to believe it doesn't mean the query wasn't addressed. My only problem with this thread was the insults and the flaming. That said, in regards to helping newbies acclimate, I do very much agree, if to a lesser degree. The forum is still here, ostensibly, for us, those who are already here. Should we be more welcoming, patient, and tolerant? To a point, yes. Should we stop having some of the insane conversations and topical u-turns? Not at all! Compromise is key.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 18, 2008, 08:34:44 AM
The only thing I see the need for mod wise is to keep newbs from spamming the threads randomly,esp sales ones,and from sending spam/harassing pms. Usually anything else we seem to manage to handle here on our own.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: spenoza on January 18, 2008, 10:23:45 AM
I don't know that I'd call it "handling... on our own" so much as "flaming the bejezus out of the bastards if they get too uppity". There are better, less emotional ways of fixing problems like that.
Title: Re: How did my PCE remember this
Post by: Odonadon on January 18, 2008, 10:35:06 AM
Odonadon, I don't completely agree with your assessment. If someone runs off with the topic the OP, or a mod, should simply reiterate the question or ask if anyone has any new ideas. The mod shouldn't necessarily admonish anyone for going off topic. That sort of thing is natural. But mods can take positive steps to try and steer some attention back to the original topic if it hasn't been properly addressed.
I didn't mean to specifically say that the assigned moderators of this forum need to do a better job, but rather everyone who participates in the thread (including me - I could've brought this up in a better way :) ), and try to keep the extraneous chatter to a minimum. In this case, rasterfarian had further questions relating to his issue, but by then like 10 unrelated posts had gone by. Often mods don't see a thread until way after the fact anyway. I agree with you that the way he reacted in turn wasn't helpful either.