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Title: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: bust3dstr8 on October 10, 2008, 06:20:16 AM
Rank some of the of the shooters you have played and discuss.........
Top Tier :dance:
Ai Cho Aniki Coryoon Galaga88 Gate of Thunder Gradius II Gunhed Kyukyoku Tiger Lords of Thunder Nexzr Parodius PC Denjin Spriggan R-Type Raiden Soilder Blade Star Parodier Super Darius II
Middle Tier :)
Aero Blaster Avenger Cho Aniki Cotton Daisenpu Darius Plus Detana Twinbee Dragon Spirit Dragon Saber Final Blaster Final Soldier Gradius Image Fight Kiaidan 00 Macross 2036 Salamander Side Arms Spriggan 2 Super Darius
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Bigdog302 on October 10, 2008, 09:43:26 AM
you forgot ginga fukei densetsu sapphire that is a rockin' shooter and easily the best graphics.too bad this game came out fairly late and was not released here. i have played sapphire and i can tell you it is pretty good.gate of thunder,blazing lasers,gradius 2 lords of thunder and air zonk is pretty good stuff also,psychosis is a trip in itself.super raiden and the hu card raiden is decent,space harrier is the best home port other than the 32x version and..... there is so many cool shooters on the turbo/pc engine.r type complete is a good one and the cd version of super air zonk is kind of disappointing.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Bigdog302 on October 10, 2008, 09:57:05 AM
i also forgot the original spiggan.there is too many but so much of them belong in the top tier.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Lochlan on October 10, 2008, 10:01:35 AM
Gradius is amazing and nearly unparalleled in its influence on the genre (except for maybe Space Invaders or Batsugun), but I can't fault anybody for disliking the PCE port's slowdown if that's your "beef".
Gradius II, on the other hand, is one of the greatest shooters of all time and easily the best game in the series. The PCE port is excellent although there are some minor differences from the original version.
I prefer these games to pretty much everything else on the list, but obviously tastes are subjective. I can't for the life of me understand how you could rank Super Darius II above Gradius II though. (The Darius series needed a multi-screen gimmick to stand out in the Arcade marketplace for christ sake.)
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: shubibiman on October 10, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
To me, Gradius II is the best of the Gradius series and it deserves to be top tier. Download too deserves to be at least in the middle tier. Graphic wise, it is not so impressive, but the gameplay is really good.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: rag-time4 on October 10, 2008, 12:33:52 PM
Here's my tier list, including only games i've played, with commentary
Top Tier: Blazing Lazers - Diverse weapons and killer soundtrack Gate of Thunder - Fantastic graphics + sound: quintessential 16 bit shooter Gradius II - Lots of nice effects, good use of the system Image Fight - Best pure gameplay of any shoooter I've ever played Image Fight II - Features redbook remixes of the music from the first game! Perfect sequel! Lords of Thunder - Nice game to show your friends or Turbo-newbies. Would have done well if they had used different instruments for the music... something more like the original Rastan maybe Mr. Heli - Very fun and unique game. Never played anything quite like it! Override - Reminds of Image Fight, except with hordes of weak enemies instead of fewer really tough ones as found in Image Fight R-Type - Great music, a true 80's classic
Second Tier (I admit I might like all of these even more if I spent more time with them): Aero Blasters - 2 player simultaneous, Barunba - My favorite of this group, underrated, creative gameplay Dead Moon - Very cool boss battles Download - Challenging Dragon Spirit - Mixed land + ground attacks a la Xevious. Unique theme gets it some points. Kyukyoku Tiger - Decent old school shooter, unspectacular Ordyne - It's got a shop like Lords of Thunder, but it has a lame theme Psycho Chaser - Need to play this one more, looks promising Spriggan - Seems decent enough, haven't played it much Super Star Soldier - Very nice graphics but uninteresting gameplay.
Trash bin: Legion - Slow moving ship and fast moving enemies make this one super tough. Lame death noise helps make this game feel poorly made. Rock On - Stupid looking ship and even stupider gameplay.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: runinruder on October 10, 2008, 02:06:51 PM
Runin's favorites Macross 2036 Blazing Lazers Cyber Core Deep Blue Gate of Thunder Lords of Thunder Nexzr Nexzr Special Psychic Storm Psycho Chaser Psychosis Rayxanber II Salamander Spriggan Sinistron/Violent Soldier Soldier Blade
Games that Runin likes very much Aero Blasters Air Zonk Atomic Robo Kid Special Choaniki Coryoon Darius Plus Download Fantasy Zone Final Soldier Galaga '90 Sapphire Hellfire-S Kiaidan 00 Kyuukyoku Tiger Legion Parodius Spiral Wave Star Parodier Super Darius Super Darius II Sylphia
Games that Runin thinks are pretty cool Ai Choaniki Avenger Cotton Dead Moon Dragon Saber Hawk F-123 Image Fight L-Dis R-Type SideArms Space Harrier Tatsujin
Games that Runin thinks are okay 1943 Kai After Burner II CD Denjin Detana! Twin Bee Dragon Spirit God Panic Gradius II Hana Taaka Daka Mr Heli Rayxanber III Spriggan Mk. 2 Steam Hearts Super Raiden Terraforming
Games that Runin tosses around his house because they suck Magical Chase Ordyne Super Star Soldier Toy Shop Boys
Game that Runin just bought or else his tiers would be entirely different Barunba
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 10, 2008, 02:20:40 PM
Quote from: Lochlan
Gradius II, on the other hand, is one of the greatest shooters of all time and easily the best game in the series.
No, Gradius V is much better. Part 2 has the potential to be a decent game, but one of the things that kind of ruins it for me is how short the CD tracks are. They repeat so frequently. Each track is what, barely a minute or so long?
Quote from: rag-time4
Lords of Thunder - Nice game to show your friends or Turbo-newbies. Would have done well if they had used different instruments for the music...
I agree, the lack of a harmonica definitely ruined the overall sales of the game.
I'll try to come up with my "tiers" later on.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: runinruder on October 10, 2008, 02:28:15 PM
Download too deserves to be at least in the middle tier. Graphic wise, it is not so impressive, but the gameplay is really good.
I thought Download's visuals were very impressive. That's some of the best parallax to be seen in a HuCard, and some of those effects in the last level were crazy.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: nectarsis on October 10, 2008, 03:24:05 PM
As many know I am no "super f*cking shooter metal god" (or some such :wink:). I am not the best at them, nor have the most impressive selection in my collection. Now that that is out of the way, here's my lists :mrgreen:
GREAT: :dance:
Aldynes (bit of a cheat here I know) ;) Macross 2036 Star Parodia PC Denjin Lords of Thunder Gates of Thunder Kiaidan 00 Sapphire
NEW GAMES JUST IN...OPINIONS NOT YET FORMULATED :wink: :lol: Download 2 Spriggan 2 Ai Cho Anki
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: bust3dstr8 on October 10, 2008, 04:59:54 PM
I was right on the line on making Gradius II Top Tier when I made the list. The slowdown and go make a sandwich load times made me drop it to Middle. After rethinking it, these are not enough to keep out of the top.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Lochlan on October 10, 2008, 07:20:04 PM
No, Gradius V is much better. Part 2 has the potential to be a decent game, but one of the things that kind of ruins it for me is how short the CD tracks are. They repeat so frequently. Each track is what, barely a minute or so long?
I honestly couldn't tell you off the top of my head -- I've never noticed frequent repeating, but I'm generally pretty focused on the game anyhow -- but I can not understand what you're talking about. Gradius II's music is so good it makes me want to hit myself in the face with a brick. Everything about the music is wonderful, actually; the intro has an amazing melody and a really epic feel; the level music never gets tiresome for me; and I have to admit that I really enjoy the high score and game over music, as weird as that sounds.
(Actually, all Konami games from that era have really great sound and music now that I think about it.)
Gradius V is a great game, but it's definately a distant third favorite in the series after II and the first one (I'm glad Konami was able to revive the series after the mess they made with parts III and IV). V is a great game, but it leaves me a little cold to be honest. It doesn't have as much "character" ("soul"?) as the first two games (or even the third IMO even though I'm not a fan of it) and although I really like the way they evolved the option mechanic, there's something about the game that makes it not really "feel" like a Gradius game to me. I love to play it, but it doesn't hold a candle to part II.
Man, I really can't believe you don't like the music in Gradius II, it's one of the things it's best known for.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: sunteam_paul on October 10, 2008, 10:32:16 PM
Too harsh putting Atomic Robo-Kid on the bottom tier [-X It's not a conventional shooter, but it's really good when you get your teeth into it.
And I would personally move Gunhed down one, the early levels are really dull.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 10, 2008, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: Lochlan
Man, I really can't believe you don't like the music in Gradius II, it's one of the things it's best known for.
I like it fine, the tracks are just too short. Recording/sound quality could be better as well.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: WoodyXP on October 11, 2008, 01:01:47 AM
Top Tier Kyukyoku Tiger Super Star Soldier Soldier Blade Gradius II Sapphire
I don't really play much else.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Michael Helgeson on October 11, 2008, 01:31:40 AM
I don't really get that either, Gradius 2 is def my all time fav shooter for the system and series, hands down. I love the graphics and audio, just extremely solid. I was surprised to see someone mention long load times. It loads really fast for me on both my decks. The only time I saw it lag on load was on Quoth09's Super Cd Rom 2 system before I replaced his laser for him.
Same with Gradius 1 and Salamander, both rank very high in my book. They are well balanced, and have no real negatives in my book. I guess it just chalks up to person preference. To each their own I say.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: WoodyXP on October 11, 2008, 02:43:23 AM
No, Gradius V is much better. Part 2 has the potential to be a decent game, but one of the things that kind of ruins it for me is how short the CD tracks are. They repeat so frequently. Each track is what, barely a minute or so long?
Gradius Gaiden?
the 5th i even can't call a "real" gradius. it's just way too different. and it suffers from its unproper 3d-grafx.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: rag-time4 on October 11, 2008, 09:18:46 AM
Too harsh putting Atomic Robo-Kid on the bottom tier [-X It's not a conventional shooter, but it's really good when you get your teeth into it.
And I would personally move Gunhed down one, the early levels are really dull.
Atomic Robo Kid looks awesome from your vids Sunteam!!
Looks like you can shoot in more than 1 direction, unlike most shooters! Looks right up my alley!
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 11, 2008, 02:05:08 PM
Gradius Gaiden is pretty cool. Love the music. Was that even released in the US?
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Tatsujin on October 11, 2008, 05:28:23 PM
no. it's NTSC-J only but it isn't that hard to find or expensive like the gradius deluxe pack e.g. and if you want to get it even easier and cheaper, hunt donw on of the "best" versions :)
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: awack on October 12, 2008, 12:19:08 PM
I gots me all the pc engine shootys except ones..Legion, I'm only going to list some of the top shooters.
Winds of thunder: best shooter on the system, great gameplay, 16 bit graphics at their finest, and music that gets you into the action like no other.
Spriggan Mk II: This is the coolest most epic shooter for the pc engine, what makes this shooter cool you ask, OH HELL NO YOU DIDN'T....well lets start with a rainy night over a city with lasers in the foreground and background destroying the city and any one who cant get out of the way in time, foe or friend, as the storm lifts you can see the damage the city has taken...unique explosions for different environments, the last fight is a sword fight :shock:
Spriggan: Best vert shmup on the system.
Gate of thunder: compared to its sequel, i think its inferior in every way, another thing is its unbalanced difficulty, it starts out very easy then all of the sudden BAM, like a big one in your face, it gets hard...and don't any of you act like you haven't been in a similar situation, but still, the game has great gameplay, graphics and music and should be on any top 10 list for the pc engine.
Other top tier shooters are, Saphire, Nexzr, Forgotten Worlds, Macross, Magical chase, Soldier Blade, the list just keeps going, the pc engine is truly the king of shooters....well, of its era at least, i haven't played many shooter past 1995.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: bluelloydpugh on October 12, 2008, 02:45:27 PM
Parodius Da is one of my faves (not that i have much!) I own Sexy Parodius on the Saturn and I just seem to spend more time on the the PC Engine Parodius Da It feel like there more of a game there somehow. Maybe something to do with the difficulty curve or summin. Either way, that game kicks ass. Looks stunning too in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: guyjin on October 12, 2008, 03:37:11 PM
@Nec: right. but in god's name, who's gonna play those shooters on a PSP? :lol:
Any body who lives in a shanty !? Dunno :-"
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: wilsonw111 on October 13, 2008, 08:21:38 PM
I would have to say,, Macross 2036 is my favorite........ :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: runinruder on October 14, 2008, 04:08:09 AM
Now that I've played Barunba, I must radically alter my tiers.
Well, not really. I'll probably just slide it into my "okay" category. It's actually not too bad, with some good tough parts and fairly cool boss fights that demand a little strategy. The problem is that the control scheme is insanely horrible. And some levels feel like they take forever.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Black Tiger on October 15, 2008, 01:00:20 PM
I haven't played every PCE shooter nor most in a long time, so I can't really rank them proportionately or anything.
Some of my favorites include:
Aeroblasters Super Darius Side Arms Special Side Arms Lords of Thunder Gate of Thunder Forgotten Worlds
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Tatsujin on October 15, 2008, 01:30:34 PM
i will do a complete 110 rank once later. but needs some time :lol: although i didn't play all those shooters in very details, due to several reasons.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: awack on October 15, 2008, 01:51:13 PM
Your going to rank 110 pce shooter :shock:, there is no way, you will have a nervous breakdown before you can complete it.
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: rag-time4 on October 17, 2008, 07:11:25 PM
Now that I've played Barunba, I must radically alter my tiers.
Well, not really. I'll probably just slide it into my "okay" category. It's actually not too bad, with some good tough parts and fairly cool boss fights that demand a little strategy. The problem is that the control scheme is insanely horrible. And some levels feel like they take forever.
Was that a cheapshot runin?
Nice to see another one of your useless reviews regardless!
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: runinruder on October 18, 2008, 10:52:11 AM
No, just a reference to my first post in this thread.
I almost said it wasn't quite a Spriggan killer. That would've been a cheap shot. :wink:
Hmmm I'm thinking it's been quite some time since we've seen one of your grudge match threads Runin.... The last one I remember was Dragon Spirit vs Super Star Soldier.... :-k
Title: Re: The Shooter Tier Thread
Post by: Keranu on October 18, 2008, 01:06:50 PM
Haha, those threads were great. I'd like to see Keith Courage vs Blood Gear.