Don't you guys worry

[soop]

See, I would say that's such a MASSIVE design flaw, they could just have sandwiched the disc on both sides with plastic, even if the top was a little thinner.

I expect the reality is, they decided to build in a little fragility.

[SignOfZeta]

When CD was invented people were a LOT more careful with their media. If you aren't a slob they last forever.

As for LDs...they do have "two bottoms" but if you get ANY sort of shmutz or streaks or dust or anything on them it will be viewable since its fully analog with no error correction. CDs are far more resilient to minor lack of care.

[RegalSin]

Japan doesn't use poor pressing houses.  Lets be realistic here.

The Nipponese also believes that if you take care of something for over 100 years it will come to life and most likely turn into a raccon, dog, or
an raccon dog.

In the west we have the ole motto of, abandoning our personal belongings, shaving our heads, and lighting candles. In order to walk with god. It is not a cult or anything, but you have to give up all wordly possesions at some point in your life, if you want to hang with the G-man. At least that is the rumor in the west. Tho shall not own belongings that will/can rust or mold?

[futureman2000]

I still remember the first time I burned a CDR, and then I wrote on it with a ballpoint pen. s-m-r-t

[spenoza]

Some CDRs have a thicker upper layer which is meant to be written on with harder instruments, but not many.

[Vecanti]

Archive every CD for the future. Every CD for the system uncompressed should take up only around 500GB.   Maybe someday someone will find a way to replace the CD drive in the Duo with an HD.

[motdelbourt]

It sounds like maybe the more cheaply sourced discs might be effected. Maybe the American pressings will start rotting, or the Working Designs games.

Personally I'm not worried about it, as I barely have any of my discs anymore, and I don't actually collect the originals for Turbo/PCE anymore.

But the sad thing is you can't just repair a rotting disc. At least I don't think so. So at some point, probably near the end of most of our lives, a number of CD games out there, and other formats too, may have bitten the dust.

[Arkhan]

Archive every CD for the future. Every CD for the system uncompressed should take up only around 500GB.   Maybe someday someone will find a way to replace the CD drive in the Duo with an HD.

cant be that hard to do something along those lines.  I mean, the C64 and MSX both have shit that lets you host stuff directly over from a f*ckin computer.

[BlueBMW]

But the sad thing is you can't just repair a rotting disc. At least I don't think so. So at some point, probably near the end of most of our lives, a number of CD games out there, and other formats too, may have bitten the dust.

I guess as long as this stuff outlives me I'd be happy with just that.  While I'd like to think that it can all last long enough for future generations to play and enjoy... lets be real here.  Everything decays and eventually wastes away.  How many childhood toys of our grandparent's generation are still around?  Yeah some people may have a few toy cars or something, but all in all there probably isnt a whole lot of the stuff from that time period left.  In 50 years, I suspect a lot of the retrogaming stuff we all enjoy will no longer function.  Eventually this stuff fails, and as we've already learned, replacement / substitute parts aren't always going to be available.  Its a sad truth that we have to accept. 

This stuff is already 20 - 25 years old in many cases.  Already we are seeing an elevated failure rate amongst hardware, and with software starting to show signs of deteriorization, what can we expect to see in another 25 years?

So my hope is that I can enjoy this stuff for as long as possible and when it fails beyond reasonable repair, I'll have to let it go at that.  We will have the memories, and hopefully authentic enough emulation to keep the dream alive for us and future generations.

[soop]

Archive every CD for the future. Every CD for the system uncompressed should take up only around 500GB.   Maybe someday someone will find a way to replace the CD drive in the Duo with an HD.

Well, here's an idea; you could just cram a PSP and a 64gb card in a PC Engine case and have composite out, and a PC engine emulator.  In fact... you could stick a USB host hard drive in there too, but the interface would be ugly.

[Tatsujin]

emulation one day probably will become a part of my life, but i still will have my physical medias next to it, even it doesn't work anymore. it's kinda like the unopened and expired canned tunna. it might become a huge collectors item in distant future, even noone can taste it anymore.

[Vecanti]

Well, here's an idea; you could just cram a PSP and a 64gb card in a PC Engine case and have composite out, and a PC engine emulator.  

No, that is a totally different idea than an HD. I'm talking about archiving and playing in the future, I don't care about the media so much as the 1s and 0s of the data and the actual hardware.

Hell I don't care about the media now.  People making homebrew HuCards are fine with me.  I think it's great and have no problem playing games from Homebrew Hueys or burned CD-R anymore than I would from a harddrive on original hardware.  

(This is not to say I don't like emulation it has it place as well, but that is a different idea from this.)


The convenience of an emulator, but the fun of the actual hardware.  Best of both worlds.

[esteban]

… it's kinda like the unopened and expired canned tunna. it might become a huge collectors item in distant future, even noone can taste it anymore.

You had me at "tuna"... 

[RegalSin]

All you guys are wrong who talks against Decay and all of that paranoid nonsense. The world is not going to end, the world will continue for a very, very long time. So please stop talking insanity. They only bring up that crap because most consumers do not take care of their stuff at all. I use my PCE to listen to music cd's as well. I have been buying music cd's lately as of the result of owning a PCE.

Great a whole lot of us, are going to deal with crap, and some of us will not. The PCE is the sweet 2d bliss and that is all I will remember. It was ten times better then a whole bunch of game systems

[SignOfZeta]

Well, here's an idea; you could just cram a PSP and a 64gb card in a PC Engine case and have composite out, and a PC engine emulator. 

No, that is a totally different idea than an HD. I'm talking about archiving and playing in the future, I don't care about the media so much as the 1s and 0s of the data and the actual hardware.

Well, that's no problem then. Every PCE game was ISOed/dumped years ago.