Some questions about playing Efera & Jiliora

[T2KFreeker]

Hard to believe you were willing to give up on a great Action-RPG story unfolding before you while you listen to one of the greatest soundtracks in videogame history in a series that is relatively easy and only a couple of hours long... You don't have to level up THAT much, I never felt the sense that I had to do it too much and got bored on that basis... There are far worse relative to Ys and I think they're a little too easy, but I enjoy them for the story, music, characters, etc. for the general reasons I like [Action-]RPGs. But hey, each to his own.

Well, I got Ys I & II for TCD as one of the first games when I got my TCD fixed in mid 2013.  I never did play a lot of the game, though; I started it, was disappointed by the huge size of the border around the screen, the somewhat average graphics, and the low difficulty level when compared to the MUCH harder Sega Master System version that I'd gotten several years prior and was my first experience with Ys (in the TCD game, versus the SMS, you move much faster, which maybe reduces strategic movement in combat; combat seems easier; and bosses are easier for sure, early on at least -- of course the SMS game is only Ys I, not also Ys II), and didn't play it for long before stopping.  I haven't yet gone back to play it; I wanted to finish that SMS version first, but I got stuck because of how tough that version is (you max out at only level 10 so levelling to each new level takes forever, enemies seem harder, etc.) and never did that, so the TCD and PSP versions of Ys I & II are games I have but still haven't gotten to... I should, sometime, sure.  I find the Ys games somewhat overly simplistic (while simple games can be great, overall I do prefer a good balance between simplicity and depth) and definitely don't love the series, but they are good games at least, certainly.

Necro, do you recall places that restore your MP? Or buying MP restoring items?

I think the herbs are it.  They can be picked in a few different places (don't they respawn?) or bought from later shopkeeps, but there's not a lot of 'em around.  You need to use magic sparingly, mostly relying on your sword to clear the baddies.

Ugh, that's pretty annoying.  If you're going to let me play as a mage actually let me use magic as much as I want, darnit!  Make replenishing my magic easy!  I prefer playing as mages or archer class characters in RPGs, and don't like generic-warrior-hero guys nearly as much most of the time, so of course I wanted to play as the mage in this game.  They shouldn't punish you for that by making mana replenishment overly difficult.  The game has plenty of flaws, but at least Magicoal lets you replenish mana easily... (and it also has two player co-op, too, like Efera & Jiliora).

Wait, wait, wait, wait, please, I have to stop laughing, you are making my ribs hurt. You just said that you want a balance between easy and hard because too easy is basically Bullshit, but then you just complained that you can't use magic whenever you want and blah, blah, blah, the game is too hard. Ys Book I&II on Turbo CD is too easy and Effera and Jillora is too hard...what kinds of games do you even play? plus to boot, you complain Ys was too easy, but barely even played it. Don't get me wrong, I understand legitimate gripes, but you seem like you are just complaining to complain and disagree with people. I am suspect as to if you have actually even played the games, to be honest. And no, watching videos of them on Youtube doesn't count. There is plenty of strategy to the Turbo CD Ys and yes, it does play a bit different than the Master System version. Just because you are used to a particular version of a game also doesn't make it the end all of said game. For the longest time when I was a kid, my only version of Street Fighter II was the Commodore 64 version. I don't think anyone would ever say it's a much better version because they are used to it over any of the other versions...that's just a cop out too...I'm not even that great at games and can play Effora and Jillora...so again I ask, have you even really played the game that far into it?

[Necromancer]

.... you seem like you are just complaining to complain and disagree with people.

Yep, that's BlackFalcon in a nut shell.

[A Black Falcon]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, please, I have to stop laughing, you are making my ribs hurt. You just said that you want a balance between easy and hard because too easy is basically Bullshit, but then you just complained that you can't use magic whenever you want and blah, blah, blah, the game is too hard.

Uh, what?  Are you making some false assumption that magic makes games easy or something?  That isn't true at all.

For example, if she had some basic 'free' magic attack instead of a sword as her basic attack (that's mostly the same but just looks different) and you could restore magic as easily as health that'd solve the issues I mentioned with magic in Efera & Jiliora.  I don't think those things would make the game too easy, but it's not like that so who knows.

Ys Book I&II on Turbo CD is too easy and Effera and Jillora is too hard...what kinds of games do you even play?

Wrong, Efera & Jiliora isn't objectively too hard, that's not what I said; it's just annoyingly difficult if you don't grind or enjoy grinding.  If you do grind it's not hard, I just find grinding like that incredibly boring so I don't often do it in games.

plus to boot, you complain Ys was too easy, but barely even played it.

What I said about Ys I & II (TCD) is certainly just a first-impressions opinion, yes.  I made that clear.  The beginning of the game is a lot easier than the beginning of the SMS version, that's all I said.

Don't get me wrong, I understand legitimate gripes, but you seem like you are just complaining to complain and disagree with people. I am suspect as to if you have actually even played the games, to be honest..... And no, watching videos of them on Youtube doesn't count.

There's no need for insults like this, come on.  And no, I do not complain just to disagree; I always state my honest opinions on games.  If people disagree with me that's too bad, and I will defend my opinions when criticized, but  I'd never throw around personal attacks like that in this quote here.  "If you don't agree with my opinion you haven't played the game at all"?  What are you talking about? 

To respond to this even though I shouldn't, there are exactly zero gameplay videos of Efera & Jiliora on Youtube, so even if I wanted to watch parts of the game there I couldn't.  In general though I do like watching Youtube gaming videos, but you never know how a game will play until you actually try it for yourself; a video could never replace gameplay.  If I haven't played a game I say so, and if I have played one I say so.

Oh, and most of the time I play TG16 and TCD games -- and it's one of my most-played consoles over the past couple of years, I like it a lot! -- I'm playing platformers or shmups, not other genres.  The system is my favorite console ever for shmups, but definitely not action-RPGs.  Most of the TG16/TCD games I have finished are shmups or platformers, along with a couple of puzzle games, Dungeon Explorer (good game!  I'm a big Gauntlet-series fan, and that's a good Gauntlet clone.), and a few other things.

There is plenty of strategy to the Turbo CD Ys and yes, it does play a bit different than the Master System version.

Such as?  I didn't play it enough to see it.

Just because you are used to a particular version of a game also doesn't make it the end all of said game. For the longest time when I was a kid, my only version of Street Fighter II was the Commodore 64 version. I don't think anyone would ever say it's a much better version because they are used to it over any of the other versions...that's just a cop out too...

Sure, but I don't see how this has much to do with this here... I've never played a Commodore 64, but isn't the C643 version of SFII fairly infamously bad looking compared to the arcade or SNES/Genesis/TG16 versions?  Are you really saying that you'd put SMS v. TCD Ys on that level of difference?

I'm not even that great at games and can play Effora and Jillora...

I'm sure, you just need to enjoy repetitious grinding and I'm sure you'll get far in it.  I've played a few hours of the game, I don't know exactly how much because it's quite spread out over time, but haven't gone back since somewhat recently getting to that boss I'd need to grind a lot more levels to be competitive against (in the room with the archers, as described earlier in the thread).

[Gredler]

It's just more fun, because now you can cast more than like three times early on without running out of MP!

Perhaps for you, but for me it was always fun saving my mages like WMDs, if you used them all the time where is the fun in that?! I nuke bosses, and save my mages in typical battles.

[T2KFreeker]

You are correct in saying that Ys on the Master System is slower than the one on the Turbo CD, but there are other differences as well. The collision detection is much better on the Turbo CD version of the game and also, so is the control itself, which is probably why you find the combat to be so much easier on the Turbo CD version. And you are right, The dig with the Youtube comment, while unnecessary, was just me clowning around. It was meant to be humerus...

AND, with many RPG's, yes, too much magic makes the game WAY easy. Action RPG's, or as we called them in the olden days  , Action Games, specifically can [present a lack of challenge with too much magic depemnding on the magic and power of said spells. Just saying.

Last, but not least, please stop saying Shmup. I hate that so much. They were shooters and the o0nly reason they needed to change it supposedly is because of First Person Shooters becoming a thing and people easily getting lost in the shuffle. If you say you played a lot of shooters on the Turbografx/PC Engine...I am pretty sure nobody here would think you meant Face Ball or Silent Debuggers...    That's one thing the younger gamers did I absolutely hate. Shmup...just a stupid sounding name for such an awesome genre. Heel, I'd even rather hear Horizontal Shooter or Vertical shooter over Shmup...BLECH!

Lastly, you should like the Turbografx/PC Engine...everyone should because the system kicks much ass and is really fun to play. My favorite console of all time. Just awesome. Turbob, the Grand Puba of Obey says so!

[Digi.k]

I just got this game recently due to this thread.  I have spent a few hours mostly trying to understand the grinding system and just got to like the 3rd town and only just realized you can enter closed doors like this one which open up those long "voiced" cut scenes...

How am I suppose to be reading the door sign exactly ??

[Necromancer]

How am I suppose to be reading the door sign exactly ??

It's a Dark Tower III - The Wastelands tie-in (Grays Open is next door). 

[VenomMacbeth]

Last, but not least, please stop saying Shmup. I hate that so much. They were shooters and the o0nly reason they needed to change it supposedly is because of First Person Shooters becoming a thing and people easily getting lost in the shuffle. If you say you played a lot of shooters on the Turbografx/PC Engine...I am pretty sure nobody here would think you meant Face Ball or Silent Debuggers...    That's one thing the younger gamers did I absolutely hate. Shmup...just a stupid sounding name for such an awesome genre. Heel, I'd even rather hear Horizontal Shooter or Vertical shooter over Shmup...BLECH!

Oh Jesus not this again.  I'm gonna start calling them "moist panties" instead & really give everyone something to cry about.

[EmperorIng]

I should have said this far earlier, but please keep on topic and avoid continued rants about game terminology, Ys difficulty, or whatnot in this thread. I would prefer this discussion be about Efera and Jiliora, since so little documentation for the game is available, and it is tedious to scroll through all these worthless (to the topic) posts. Maybe split off the Ys stuff?

I just got this game recently due to this thread.  I have spent a few hours mostly trying to understand the grinding system and just got to like the 3rd town and only just realized you can enter closed doors like this one which open up those long "voiced" cut scenes...

You can enter these closed doors? I didn't know that. Did you just press a button against them? More importantly, did any of them yield a half-decent item?

[Digi.k]

You can enter these closed doors? I didn't know that. Did you just press a button against them? More importantly, did any of them yield a half-decent item?

That door is only in the 3rd town. Just walk into it and a cut scene in the bar appears where I had to escort someone through that forest where you get to what appears to be a dead tree at the end of a path section and then you warp somewhere else. 

It only caught my attention because that door kinda reads like "pubes open" but I think it's a spelling mistake for "pub is open"

I managed to reach a destination where the guy thanked me but I am not sure if I obtained anything except maybe money.  He had long brown hair and was wearing purple clothes.Quite possibly he becomes an ally later on ?

[Digi.k]

You gain spells as you level up.

Really?  So far the two spells I have I got from talking to people in certain rooms, not levelling up.

There is a Phoenix spell that helps with the fight.

Where/what level? I'm currently level 5.

However you have to kill the archers first to survive. You have to bait the main soldier into not moving horizontally - if you keep moving up and down he'll do the same.

What helps is watching a play through of the game on niconico, which to my knowledge is the only play through of the game online. The guy however grinds to level 12  at the first screen of the game before taking on the castle. I was at level 9, but I was killing guards to speed up the process.

Level 9+?  This game really is nothing but grind, isn't it... too bad, it's otherwise fun.  But just standing there grinding, I hate that...

ok So I started this from scratch.

Efera starts off with a healing spell and it seems like she gets a new spell around level 4, level 8, level 12 and since right now I am at level 14 I am assuming the next spell will be learned around level 16 etc. 

so far I have found 3 types of shops.  I am assuming
P= protection; purchase armor


M=Medical, purchase health pots.



W=weapons.


To buy something in these shops just walk over the purchase square and you automatically buy whatever the vendors are selling.  You can do this multiple times when buying health pots.

[Digi.k]

crap*

[esteban]

crap*

That sums up Bloody Roar quite succinctly.

What about those pubes?

[Digi.k]

crap*

That sums up Bloody Roar quite succinctly.

What about those pubes?

t'was a duplicate post Mr Este'

EDIT:

Regarding that forest has anyone got a guide for it?  I am currently stuck although I am trying to translate the following message which I assume is regarding said forest of confusion..




I am hoping that the above kinda translates to:


The first of the tree either,

 Right from the next tree, left, left, right, left, right

 Please pass through to left