Author Topic: SOLVED PC Engine DUO - Push Run Button with door open/No LED/No Laser/Disc Spin  (Read 451 times)

xodaraP

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Hi all,
I have recently been working on a Duo that has had a lot of issues, most of which have been resolved but I am now having an issue where the console boots to a BIOS screen but always says "Press Run Button" as if the door is closed, even when the case is not on top of the console. I have seen some other threads where people have suggested testing the traces underneath the HuCard slot - I have done this and found no broken traces, I have also beeped out all traces to the ICs controlling the disc drive and have not found an issue there either

I feel like I'm finally getting to the end of the repairs for this console, but I am completely stuck as to where to go from here, I have beeped out the entire CD drive circuit using the publicly available schematics and KiCAD with the repro PCB designs on Github and have not found any more broken traces in the circuit

For those who have had this issue before, are there any specific traces that may be relating to this issue I can check and potentially replace as they might be beeping out but have damage on the line that could be causing it to read incorrectly?

Adding diagnostic information:

From what I can see there are several address lines that go through a buffer/driver at IC517 to the large custom chip that controls the disc drive. A8 through to A15 become XA8 through to XA15. Connections for these are where the through hole pins are for the cartridge slot

IC501 - Custom CD controller ASIC D91317GD
IC517 - LS244 buffer/driver
IC515 - Flash memory holding Super CD BIOS (same pins are also connected on IC514 and IC513 - same pins unless otherwise noted)
IC906 - HM6264 SRAM

IC517 - Outputs

Pin 3 -> Pin 10 IC501 -> Pin 28 IC515
Pin 5 -> Pin 16 IC501 -> Pin 26 IC515
Pin 7 -> Pin 13 IC501 -> Pin 23 IC515
Pin 9 -> Pin 8 IC501 -> Pin 3 IC515 -> Pin 31 IC513 IC514
Pin 12 -> Pin 11 IC501 -> Pin 4 IC515
Pin 14 -> Pin 12 IC501 -> Pin 25 IC515
Pin 16 -> Pin 17 IC501 -> Pin 27 IC515
Pin 18 -> Pin 9 IC501 -> Pin 29 IC515

Inputs

Pin 2 -> Pin 70 CPU
Pin 4 -> Pin 78 CPU -> Pin 25 IC906
Pin 6 -> Pin 73 CPU -> Pin 23 IC906
Pin 8 -> Pin 72 CPU -> Pin 2 IC906
Pin 11 -> Pin 69 CPU
Pin 13 -> Pin 74 CPU -> Pin 21 IC906
Pin 15 -> Pin 77 CPU -> Pin 24 IC906
Pin 17 -> Pin 71 CPU

IC518 - Outputs

Pin 14 -> Pin 31 IC515 -> Pin 5 IC501
Pin 16 -> Pin 30 IC515 -> Pin 6 IC501
Pin 18 -> Pin 2 IC515 -> Pin 7 IC501

Inputs

Pin 2 -> Pin 68 CPU
Pin 4 -> Pin 67 CPU
Pin 6 -> Pin 66 CPU

Data lines go through a similar buffer at IC520 and D0 through D8 generate XD0 through XD8 - Outputs do not go under the cart slot and were not tested at this time

Inputs

Pin 2 -> Pin 19 IC906 -> Pin 13 6270 -> Pin 56 6280 -> Pin 5 6260
Pin 3 -> Pin 18 IC906 -> Pin 14 6270 -> Pin 55 6280 -> Pin 6 6260
Pin 4 -> Pin 17 IC906 -> Pin 15 6270 -> Pin 54 6280 -> Pin 7 6260
Pin 5 -> Pin 16 IC906 -> Pin 16 6270 -> Pin 53 6280 -> Pin 8 6260
Pin 6 -> Pin 15 IC906 -> Pin 17 6270 -> Pin 52 6280 -> Pin 9 6260
Pin 7 -> Pin 13 IC906 -> Pin 19 6270 -> Pin 51 6280 -> Pin 10 6260
Pin 8 -> Pin 12 IC906 -> Pin 20 6270 -> Pin 50 6280 -> Pin 11 6260
Pin 9 -> Pin 11 IC906 -> Pin 21 6270 -> Pin 49 6280 -> Pin 12 6260

/WR and /RD lines

These both run under the cartridge slot

/RD

IC515 Pin 24 -> Pin 4 IC519 -> Pin 22 IC906 -> Pin 3 6270 -> Pin 78 6260 -> Pin 62 6280

/WR

IC519 Pin 1 -> IC906 Pin 27 -> Pin 2 6270 -> Pin 77 6260 -> Pin 63 6280
« Last Edit: March 31, 2024, 02:30:27 AM by xodaraP »

xodaraP

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Here are the connection points for the CXD1167Q - any that I haven't listed a component pin are going to vias and then to passives on the opposite side of the board and I haven't made note of component numbers

Pin 1
Pin 2 - Pin 35 IC102
Pin 3 - Pin 34 IC102
Pin 4
Pin 5
Pin 6
Pin 7 - Pin 33 IC102
Pin 8
Pin 9
Pin 10 - GND
Pin 11
Pin 12 - GND
Pin 13 - Pin 25 IC102 + Pin 15 IC104
Pin 14 - Pin 24 IC102
Pin 15 - Pin 19 IC104 + Pin 23 IC102
Pin 16 - Pin 2 IC104 + Via
Pin 17 - Pin 20 IC102
Pin 18 - Pin 16 IC104 + Pin 18 IC102
Pin 19 - Pin 11 IC104 + Through hole 8 P404
Pin 20 - Pin 62 IC104 + Through hole 4 P404
Pin 21 - Pin 105 IC501 + RA502 Pin 4
Pin 22
Pin 23 - Pin 12 IC104
Pin 24 - Pin 20 IC104 + Pin 110 IC501
Pin 25 - Pin 13 IC104
Pin 26 - Vcc
Pin 27 - NC
Pin 28 - Pin 1 Q102 + Through hole 3 P404
Pin 29 - GND
Pin 30 - GND
Pin 31 - GND
Pin 32 - GND
Pin 33 - Vcc
Pin 34 - GND
Pin 35 - GND
Pin 36 - GND
Pin 37 - GND
Pin 38 - GND
Pin 39 - GND
Pin 40 - GND
Pin 41 - GND
Pin 42 - GND
Pin 43 - GND
Pin 44 - GND
Pin 45 - GND
Pin 46 - GND
Pin 47 - GND
Pin 48 - GND
Pin 49 - GND
Pin 50 - GND
Pin 51 - NC
Pin 52 - GND
Pin 53
Pin 54 - Pin 2 X101
Pin 55 - Vcc
Pin 56 - Pin 57 IC103 + Pin 59 IC103 + Pin 3 IC104
Pin 57
Pin 58 - GND
Pin 59
Pin 60 - NC
Pin 61 - NC
Pin 62 - NC
Pin 63 - NC
Pin 64 - NC
Pin 65 - NC
Pin 66 - Through hole 5 P404
Pin 67 - NC
Pin 68 - NC
Pin 69
Pin 70
Pin 71 - NC
Pin 72 - Through hole 7 P404
Pin 73 - Vcc
Pin 74 - NC
Pin 75 - NC
Pin 76
Pin 77
Pin 78
Pin 79
Pin 80

And connections for the uPD78C14

Pin 1 - NC
Pin 2 - Pin 16 IC103 + Via
Pin 3 - Pin 56 + Pin 57 + Pin 59 IC103 + Via
Pin 4 -
Pin 5 - NC
Pin 6 - Pin 24 IC102 + Pin 14 IC103
Pin 7 -
Pin 8 - Pin 2 P7 + Pin 1 D102
Pin 9 - P402 Pin 3
Pin 10 -
Pin 11 - Pin 19 IC103 + P404 Pin 8
Pin 12 - Pin 23 IC103
Pin 13 - Pin 25 IC103
Pin 14 - Pin 1 Q105
Pin 15 - Pin 25 IC102 + Pin 13 IC103
Pin 16 - Pin 18 IC102 + Pin 18 IC103
Pin 19 - Pin 15 IC103 + Pin 23 IC102
Pin 18 - Pin 41 IC102 + Pin 28 IC101
Pin 17 - Pin 113 IC501
Pin 20 - Pin 24 IC103 + Pin 110 IC501
Pin 21 -
Pin 22 - Pin 1 P402 + Pin 49 + Pin 99 IC105 + Via
Pin 23 - GND
Pin 24 -
Pin 25 -
Pin 26 - GND
Pin 27 - GND
Pin 28 - NC
Pin 29 - NC
Pin 30 - NC
Pin 31 - NC
Pin 32 - Pin 9 P402
Pin 33 -
Pin 34 - Pin 7 P402
Pin 35 - Pin 3 P4 + Pin 6 P402
Pin 36 - Vcc
Pin 37 - Vcc
Pin 38 - Pin 20 IC105
Pin 39 - Pin 5 P402 + Pin 19 IC105
Pin 40 - Pin 18 IC105
Pin 41 - Pin 17 IC105
Pin 42 - Pin 16 IC105
Pin 43 - Pin 15 IC105
Pin 44 - Pin 14 IC105
Pin 45 - Pin 13 IC105
Pin 46 - Pin 12 IC105
Pin 47 - NC
Pin 48 - NC
Pin 49 -
Pin 50 -
Pin 51 -
Pin 52 -
Pin 53 -
Pin 54 -
Pin 55 -
Pin 56 -
Pin 57 - Vcc
Pin 58 - Vcc
Pin 59 - Pin 94 IC105
Pin 60 -  Pin 95 IC105
Pin 61 - Pin 96 IC105
Pin 62 - Pin 20 IC103 + Pin 4 P404
Pin 63 - Pin 2 LED
Pin 64 - Vcc
« Last Edit: March 23, 2024, 02:40:56 AM by xodaraP »

xodaraP

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Here are all of the connections underneath the card reader that are often damaged by capacitors leaking

Card connector:

Pin 1 - Pin 40 IC501
Pin 2 -
Pin 3 - Pin 65 IC901 + Pin 4 IC501
Pin 4 - Pin 68 IC901 + Pin 2 IC518
Pin 5 - Pin 69 IC901 + Pin 11 IC517
Pin 6 - Pin 2 IC506 + Pin 72 IC901 + Pin 8 IC517
Pin 7 - Pin 3 IC506 + Pin 79 IC901 + Pin 11 IC516
Pin 8 -  Pin 4 IC506 + Pin 80 IC901 + Pin 8 IC516
Pin 9 - Pin 5 IC506 + Pin 1 IC901 + Pin 13 IC516
Pin 10 - Pin 6 IC506 + Pin 2 IC901 + Pin 6 IC516
Pin 11 - Pin 7 IC506 + Pin 3 IC901 + Pin 15 IC516
Pin 12 - Pin 8 IC506 + Pin 4 IC901 + Pin 4 IC516
Pin 13 - Pin 9 IC506 + Pin 5 IC901 + Pin 17 IC516
Pin 14 -  Pin 10 IC506 + Pin 6 IC901 + Pin 2 IC516
Pin 15 - Pin 11 IC506 + Pin 21 IC902 + Pin 12 IC903 + Pin 49 IC901 + Pin 9 IC520
Pin 16 - Pin 12 IC506 + Pin 20 IC902 + Pin 11 IC903 + Pin 50 IC901 + Pin 8 IC520
Pin 17 - Pin 13 IC506 + Pin 19 IC902 + Pin 10 IC903 + Pin 51 IC901 + Pin 7 IC520
Pin 18 - GND
Pin 19 - Pin 15 IC506 + Pin 17 IC902 + Pin 9 IC903 + Pin 52 IC901 + Pin 6 IC520
Pin 20 - Pin 16 IC506 + Pin 16 IC902 + Pin 8 IC903 + Pin 53 IC901 + Pin 5 IC520
Pin 21 - Pin 17 IC506 + Pin 15 IC902 + Pin 7 IC903 + Pin 54 IC901 + Pin 4 IC520
Pin 22 - Pin 18 IC506 + Pin 14 IC902 + Pin 6 IC903 + Pin 55 IC901 + Pin 3 IC520
Pin 23 - Pin 19 IC506 + Pin 13 IC902 + Pin 5 IC903 + Pin 56 IC901 + Pin 2 IC520
Pin 24 - Pin 3 IC501 + Pin 64 IC901
Pin 25 - Pin 21 IC506 + Pin 74 IC901 + Pin 11 IC517
Pin 26 - Pin 22 IC506 + Pin 3 IC902 + Pin 78 IC903 + Pin 62 IC901 + Pin 24 IC515 + Pin 4 IC519
Pin 27 - Pin 23 IC506 + Pin 73 IC901 + Pin 6 IC517
Pin 28 - Pin 24 IC506 + Pin 77 IC901 + Pin 15 IC517
Pin 29 - Pin 25 IC506 + Pin 78 IC901 + Pin 4 IC517
Pin 30 - Pin 71 IC901 + Pin 17 IC517
Pin 31 - Pin 70 IC901 + Pin 2 IC517
Pin 32 - Pin 67 IC901 + Pin 4 IC518
Pin 33 - Pin 66 IC901 + Pin 6 IC518
Pin 34 - Pin 27 IC506 + Pin 2 IC902 + Pin 77 IC903 + Pin 63 IC901 + Pin 1 IC519
Pin 35 - Pin 14 IC901
Pin 36 - Pin 11 IC901 + Pin 24 IC902
Pin 37 - Pin 2 IC501 + Pin 43 IC901
Pin 38 - Vcc

Additional connections with traces underneath cart connector:

OSC - C944 Pad 2 + J101 + C945 Pad 2
Audio L - Pin 17 IC901
Audio R - Pin 18 IC901
CE7 - Pin 1 IC902 + Pin 60 IC901
RDY - Pin 1 R905 + Pin 12 IC901 + Pin 78 IC902
IRQ+PUP - Pin 1 R903 + Pin 44 IC901 + Pin 77 IC902

MA6-14 and MD12-15 are also underneath the cart connector right on the edge of the outline. These are graphics related and are between the GPU and RAM

xodaraP

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Here is a full pinout of IC501

Pin 1 - Vcc
Pin 2 - Pin 37 Cart + Pin 43 IC901
Pin 3 - Pin 24 Cart + Pin 64 IC901
Pin 4 - Pin 3 Cart + Pin 65 IC901
Pin 5 - Pin 31 IC515 + Pin 14 IC518
Pin 6 - Pin 30 IC515 + Pin 16 IC518
Pin 7 - Pin 2 IC514 + Pin 2 IC513 + Pin 2 IC515 + Pin 18 IC518
Pin 8 - Pin 31 IC514 + Pin 31 IC513 + Pin 3 IC515 + Pin 9 IC517
Pin 9 - Pin 3 IC514 + Pin 3 IC513 + Pin 29 IC515 + Pin 18 IC517
Pin 10 - Pin 28 IC514 + Pin 28 IC513 + Pin 28 IC515 + Pin 3 IC517
Pin 11 - Pin 4 IC514 + Pin 4 IC513 + Pin 4 IC515 + Pin 12 IC517
Pin 12 - Pin 25 IC514 + Pin 25 IC513 + Pin 25 IC515 + Pin 14 IC517
Pin 13 - Pin 23 IC514 + Pin 23 IC513 + Pin 23 IC515 + Pin 7 IC517 + Pin 19 IC512
Pin 14 - Vcc
Pin 15 - GND
Pin 16 - Pin 26 IC514 + Pin 26 IC513 + Pin 26 IC515 + Pin 5 IC517 + Pin 22 IC512
Pin 17 - Pin 27 IC514 + Pin 27 IC513 + Pin 27 IC515 + Pin 16 IC517 + Pin 23 IC512
Pin 18 - Pin 5 IC514 + Pin 5 IC513 + Pin 5 IC515 + Pin 9 IC516 + Pin 1 IC512
Pin 19 - Pin 6 IC514 + Pin 6 IC513 + Pin 6 IC515 + Pin 12 IC516 + Pin 2 IC512
Pin 20 - Pin 7 IC514 + Pin 7 IC513 + Pin 7 IC515 + Pin 7 IC516 + Pin 3 IC512
Pin 21 - Pin 8 IC514 + Pin 8 IC513 + Pin 8 IC515 + Pin 14 IC516 + Pin 4 IC512
Pin 22 - Pin 9 IC514 + Pin 9 IC513 + Pun 9 IC515 + Pin 5 IC516 + Pin 5 IC512
Pin 23 - Pin 10 IC514 + Pin 10 IC513 + Pin 10 IC515 + Pin 16 IC516 + Pin 6 IC512
Pin 24 - Pin 11 IC514 + Pin 11 IC513 + Pin 11 IC515 + Pin 3 IC516 + Pin 7 IC512
Pin 25 - Pin 12 IC514 + Pin 12 IC513 + Pin 12 IC515 + Pin 18 IC516 + Pin 8 IC512
Pin 26 - Vcc
Pin 27 - Pin 13 IC514 + Pin 13 IC513 + Pin 13 IC515 + Pin 11 IC520 + Pin 9 IC512
Pin 28 - Pin 14 IC514 + Pin 14 IC513 + Pin 14 IC515 + Pin 12 IC520 + Pin 10 IC512
Pin 29 - Pin 15 IC514 + Pin 15 IC513 + Pin 15 IC515 + Pin 13 IC520 + Pin 11 IC512
Pin 30 - Vcc
Pin 31 - GND
Pin 32 - Pin 17 IC514 + Pin 17 IC513 + Pin 17 IC515 + Pin 14 IC520 + Pin 13 IC512
Pin 33 - Pin 18 IC514 + Pin 18 IC513 + Pin 18 IC515 + Pin 15 IC520 + Pin 14 IC512
Pin 34 - Pin 19 IC514 + Pin 19 IC513 + Pin 19 IC515 + Pin 16 IC520 + Pin 15 IC512
Pin 35 - Pin 20 IC514 + Pin 20 IC513 + Pin 20 IC515 + Pin 17 IC520 + Pin 16 IC512
Pin 36 - Pin 21 IC514 + Pin 21 IC513 + Pin 21 IC515 + Pin 18 IC520 + Pin 17 IC512
Pin 37 - Pin 24 IC514 + Pin 24 IC513 + Pin 6 IC519 + Pin 20 IC512
Pin 38 - Pin 29 IC514 + Pin 29 IC513 + Pin 3 IC519 + Pin 21 IC512
Pin 39 - GND
Pin 40 - Pin 1 Cart
Pin 41 - NC
Pin 42 - NC
Pin 43 - NC
Pin 44 - Pin 19 IC520
Pin 45 - Pin 1 IC520
Pin 46 - Pin 22 IC515
Pin 47 - Pin 22 IC513
Pin 48 - GND
Pin 49 - Pin 2 Q501
Pin 50 - Pin 22 IC514
Pin 51 - NC
Pin 52 - NC
Pin 53 - NC
Pin 54 - NC
Pin 55 - NC
Pin 56 - Pin 17 IC509 + Pin 17 IC510
Pin 57 - Pin 15 IC509 + Pin 15 IC510
Pin 58 - Pin 3 IC509 + Pin 3 IC510
Pin 59 - Pin 2 IC509 + Pin 2 IC510
Pin 60 - GND
Pin 61 - Vcc
Pin 62 - Pin 1 IC509
Pin 63 - Pin 4 IC509
Pin 64 - Pin 1 IC510
Pin 65 - Pin 4 IC510
Pin 66 - Pin 10 IC509 + Pin 10 IC510
Pin 67 - Pin 6 IC509 + Pin 6 IC510
Pin 68 - Pin 7 IC509 + Pin 7 IC510
Pin 69 - Pin 8 IC509 + Pin 8 IC510
Pin 70 - Pin 11 IC509 + Pin 11 IC510
Pin 71 - Pin 12 IC509 + Pin 12 IC510
Pin 72 - Pin 13 IC509 + Pin 13 IC510
Pin 73 - Pin 14 IC509 + Pin 14 IC510
Pin 74 - Vcc
Pin 75 - GND
Pin 76 - Pin 16 IC509 + Pin 16 IC510
Pin 77 - Pin 5 IC509 + Pin 5 IC510
Pin 78 - Pin 1 Q307
Pin 79 - Pin 2 Q606 + Pin 1 R633
Pin 80 -
Pin 81 - IC504 Pin 9 Pin 10 Pin 11
Pin 82 - Pin 14 IC502
Pin 83 - X601 Pin 1
Pin 84 - X601 Pin 3
Pin 85 - GND
Pin 86 - Pin 7 IC502
Pin 87 - Pin 6 IC502
Pin 88 - Pin 5 IC502
Pin 89 - Pin 4 IC502
Pin 90 - Vcc
Pin 91 - GND
Pin 92 - Pin 15 IC502
Pin 93 - Pin 16 IC502
Pin 94 - Pin 3 IC304 + Pin 2 R310 + Pin 8 IC518 + Pin 2 D306
Pin 95 - GND
Pin 96 - Pin 46 IC105 + Pin 4 RA503
Pin 97 - Pin 45 IC105 + Pin 3 RA503
Pin 98 - Pin 44 IC105 + Pin 2 RA503
Pin 99 - Pin 43 IC105 + Pin 1 RA503
Pin 100 - Pin 42 IC105 + Pin 4 RA504
Pin 101 - Pin 41 IC105 + Pin 3 RA504
Pin 102 - Pin 39 IC105 + Pin 2 RA504
Pin 103 - Pin 38 IC105 + Pin 1 RA504
Pin 104 - NC
Pin 105 - Pin 4 RA502 + Pin 21 IC103
Pin 106 - Pin 2 R630 + Pin 1 RA505
Pin 107 - Pin 86 IC105 + R under IC103
Pin 108 - Pin 88 IC105 + R under IC103
Pin 109 - Pin 6 P404 + R under IC103
Pin 110 - Pin 24 IC103 + Pin 20 IC104
Pin 111 - Pin 2 RA505 + R under IC103
Pin 112 - GND
Pin 113 - Pin 1 RA501 + Pin 17 IC104
Pin 114 - Pin 4 RA501 + Pin 2 R524
Pin 115 - Pin 1 R549
Pin 116 - Pin 2 RA501 + Pin 2 R526
Pin 117 - Pin 3 RA501 + Pin 1 R525
Pin 118 - Pin 2 RA502 + Pin 1 R522
Pin 119 - Pin 1 RA502 + Pin 1 R523
Pin 120 - GND

xodaraP

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This is now solved. I found Pin 11 on IC103 went to a dead via and so did Pin 94 of IC501

These have both now been repaired and the console now recognises when the door is open/closed

It?s not reading discs but that?s another problem

Keith Courage

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Does the lens at least bob up and down when it moves the the center of the lens assembly when you press run?

xodaraP

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Yes it does, I?ve got it reading games now. It was spinning sometimes and not others but was very unreliable and wasn?t reading

The pots (especially VR102) were way out of spec - I assume a previous owner was trying to get it to read discs and made changes. Thanks to the RetroSix adjustment guide giving me a baseline to start from it didn?t take long to get it up and running

The laser is still making a loud whining noise I believe is related to VR104 so still some adjustment to be done, but at least it?s reading

Last issue to fix is no sound and then this console is back in service
« Last Edit: April 01, 2024, 02:40:04 AM by xodaraP »

Keith Courage

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Both V103 v104 can affect the lens making a whining sound.

Turning either one clockwise can reduce this.

Whining is also usually louder if using CDR media.

xodaraP

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I?ll burn a CDR and use that to adjust the other 2 pots then. I almost don?t want to touch it since it?s finally working but it?s loud enough you can hear it over game sounds - it needs to be fixed

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There could also be a chance that the lens gain is up too high. The adjustment screw on the lens itself. This can also cause noise.