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ceti alpha

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2008, 05:52:31 AM »
It really does irk me that the banks are getting bailed out for wildly handing out these sketchy mortgages to anyone and their dog, but the people are left high and dry. Same goes for the "Big Three" (Not so big now, are ya?!  :P). There are so many things wrong with these bailouts, it's hard to know where to begin. To me it just screams socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the poor and middle class. Where are the handouts going to stop? Up here we have virtually every industry asking for money. I never thought I'd side with Republicans, but at least some of them are saying no to these guys.

Ford is the only company that should get some money. They're actually doing quite well in Europe and Asia because they sell small, more fuel efficient cars overseas - and whadaya know, the cars are selling over there. So they have the car models ready to go now, not in five or ten years. They still messed up, but they are worth saving.



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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2008, 06:06:39 AM »
Rover nailed it when he said it has everything to do with "personal responsibility." Actually, he pretty much nailed it with everything he said, same with Quoth.

Either way, we can stop quibbling for the time being-- Bush approved a 17 billion dollar bailout package for 'em just yesterday or the day before.

And ceti, it looks like your government is getting in on the fun, too.
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2008, 11:10:57 AM »
Doesn't that line of think go DIRECTLY against a post from a different thread?  ;)

Perhaps because this is supposedly the "land of the free"?
Not really. This is the "land of the free", not the "land of the intelligent".

Yet saying if someone who owns a "whale of a car thats not needed" is socially irresponsible, and deserves an asskicking.  While I agree on the environmental impact, if someone had the $ to buy one...what does does that have to do with a "me first" society.  That can be said of any muscle car of the 60's/70's, to the overpowered imports of today.  If I had the $ to own (and maintain/gas) a SUV/full size truck I would.  If I don't beat the crap out of it offroad, does that make me socially irresponsible? Nope it's what I like/want.  Up here having 4WD would be a godsend a LOT.  The same arguement can go for almost anything..I mean the plastic, and other components that make our games/systems caould be used to make cheaper medical equipment, etc.  Just because you don't agree with someone driving a battleship on wheels, their $/perogative.  Hence "land of the free."  NOT the goverments job to tell us what we can drive. ;)
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2008, 02:14:04 PM »
nectarsis...you just don't get it. I'm sorry, man. :(

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2008, 02:23:57 PM »
Doesn't that line of think go DIRECTLY against a post from a different thread?  ;)

Perhaps because this is supposedly the "land of the free"?
Not really. This is the "land of the free", not the "land of the intelligent".

Yet saying if someone who owns a "whale of a car thats not needed" is socially irresponsible, and deserves an asskicking.  While I agree on the environmental impact, if someone had the $ to buy one...what does does that have to do with a "me first" society. 

Because owning these things (SUVs) has an outreaching effect on other people, not just yourself. It's selfishness to the letter.

You already mentioned the environmental impact yourself, which is a major deal whether most people want to realize it or not. Fossil fuels are running out, and these ridiculous tanks are making sure that happens all the sooner. While SUVs are plenty safe for the driver, that's where the safety benefits end. They are inherently dangerous for EVERYONE ELSE around, in every way. They are large and obtuse, so you can't see around them. They are heavy and if you are in a collision with a smaller vehicle are more likely to seriously injure/kill the other driver. Even if the other driver sustains no injury, it's likely your SUV will obliterate their smaller car. Your visibility of close-to-ground-level objects is extremely limited in an SUV, heightening the chances of running over a pet or small child. The size of SUVs alone is an issue-- with the world's population increasing exponentially, and available "free space" in general diminishing. You would think we'd be moving towards smaller vehicles, not the other way around.

Beyond these tangible threats, there's always the whole "f*ck you, I've got a bigger cock/SUV than you" meathead attitude that usually accompanies. While it's probably not something that's going to cause anyone any harm, I could do without it.

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That can be said of any muscle car of the 60's/70's, to the overpowered imports of today.  If I had the $ to own (and maintain/gas) a SUV/full size truck I would.  If I don't beat the crap out of it offroad, does that make me socially irresponsible? Nope it's what I like/want. 

But in a way, it does. You don't need an SUV. Nobody does. You can't argue that point, you just can't. Society made it all these years without them. If they went away, I'm pretty sure we'd all be OK. Anyone who has enough kids to actually fill one of these f*ckers up is already acting irresponsibly right out of the gate.

Your first instinct is going to be to argue "But we don't need this or that either", but the difference is, most of the other frivolous things we indulge in life aren't negatively impacting society as a whole.

I like collecting video games. I don't need to. But on the other hand, doing so doesn't pose risk of injury/death to my neighbor or have a negative impact on society in general.

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Up here having 34SD wouls be a godsend a LOT.  The same arguement can go for almost anything..I mean the plastic, and other components that make our games/systems caould be used to make cheaper medical equipment, etc. 

I have no clue what "34SD" is, BTW.

But as for your argument, you have a great point. Probably 97% of the nation lives very selfishly in day to day life, in general. From our grocery shopping, to the stuff we don't even think about, like flushing the toilet. We have a long way to go if we want to be able to comfortably inhabit this planet for years to come. It's really, really hard to live selflessly in today's society what with mass manufacturing and how so many industries are intertwined. I try to live as "green" as possible in my life and do my part. But the "SUV epidemic" that has overcome this country in the past decade is a MAJOR, MAJOR issue.

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Just because you don't agree with someone driving a battleship on wheels, their $/perogative.

I could give a shit what Joe Blow up the street does, as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else. Unfortunately, if Joe Blow is driving around in a Suburban, he's affecting a lot of people.

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Hence "land of the free."  NOT the goverments job to tell us what we can drive. ;)

Unfortunately it's this kind of mentality that will ensure there will be no "land of the free" if something isn't done about some of these issues.

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2008, 04:21:06 PM »
I think a lot of people buy SUVs because they feel safe in them.  They feel as if they cannot be hurt in an accident.  It makes me want to cake my car with C4 so I take them out if they ever hit me.  The only drawback to that plan is I'd be gone, too.

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2008, 07:57:47 PM »
I think a lot of people buy SUVs because they feel safe in them.  They feel as if they cannot be hurt in an accident.  It makes me want to cake my car with C4 so I take them out if they ever hit me.  The only drawback to that plan is I'd be gone, too.

lolmax!! Ya, that video pretty much proved that people believe that SUVs make them more safe than someone in a Dodge Neon. But, like like so many things in the world (i.e. politics, religion, sex, etc...), what people believe doesn't make it true. Even if SUVs were safer than the "shit-ass-car", all this video showed was that these people were only looking out for themselves. They couldn't care less if their SUV squished some other car in an accident.

As for what nectarsis was talking about, I understand what he's saying - my brother has an old 69 Ford Maverick. But most people don't go out of their way to buy classic gas guzzlers. Eventually, gasoline powered cars will be weened out of the streets everywhere.

...although, Kirk is driving an old Mustang in the new Star Trek trailer... :-k

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2008, 06:37:22 AM »
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2008, 12:02:47 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-12-22-toyota-slashes-outlook_N.htm?csp=34

Wow...bet GM, Ford, and Chrysler wish they had that track record
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