Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!

[Pcenginefx]

Please get back on topic.  If not, this thread is closed.

[Sinistron]

Roy- you should know by now how one of my rants will read- full of piss and vinegar.  I only rant like that when I'm pissed off- and I'm past tired of this Arkhan clown.  If anything all he's done for Rover is a disservice A) Because it makes it look like Rove can barely answer for himself B) Because he tries to make this homebrew scene appear so L33T and above criticism, C) Because he keeps proving himself wrong as Rover's mouthpiece as now it is clear - from Rove's own mouth- that no one is getting refunded, D) because he comes off as a snob to anyone who brings up actual points- and instantly takes those points as hatred for his homebrew scene.  I'm sick of this guy.  Sick of how damn corny he is too.  He was on shout recently saying something like how he was hanging out with black guys and he was talking about how he loves tentacle rape and they were like "white boy you so crazy!" or some other corny ass thing.  This guy needs to get laid already, he needs to stop thinking so damn highly of himself, and he needs to stop acting like the designated mouthpiece for the homebrew scene- because he's making me and others sick of the whole thing already.  I'm seriously surprised that Rover let this guy run off at the lip like he's his spokesman for so long- because the guy just comes off like the world's biggest douche and the only one who can't see himself clearly.  Yeah- I know he "made a game", only the third released homebrew game for TurboGrafx so far- but that doesn't carry any weight with me.  The most any reviewer could say about the game was "Hey it kinda sucks but it's a new Turbo game! How cool is that?"  And as for "new"- it's Berzerk.  From Atari.  In my opinion it should've been shareware at most.  But that's cool -- whatever -- I didn't buy it.  Others did- maybe they enjoyed it.  Maybe not.  Not the point.  Even if it was the greatest thing since Drac X- which it so isn't- if you act like a douche then you're a douche period.  I don't care what you made- or copied.  Also- this carnival with this Mysterious Song has gone on too long.  Rove- even your defenders know in the back of their heads how bad this is all looking.  Get your shit straightened out already- return this guy his money- if you truly want to you'll find a way to do it- and tell this Arkhan to stop speaking for you- because he's doing a piss poor job of it.  And enough with the excuses.  You knew you had a full plate of problems when you started accepting preorders.  This whole bungle is your fault- no one else's.

Furthermore- let me address any concerns that this is not any of my business.  This is my business.  This is all of our business.  This is our Turbografx/PCE community.  This is a batch of people trying to continue the legacy of my and your favorite system- and if they fail, or give the scene a bad name for whatever reason- be it preorderers not getting their money refunded when they realize there's no product- or badmouthing anyone in the community who brings up a valid concern- or going all Rambo L33t on others because they're not in the "homebrew scene"- then it affects us.  The TG "homebrew scene" is still in its early infancy- plenty early enough to still come fully out of the womb with webbed feet.  All it takes is one jerkoff who thinks he's a rockstar and another guy- and Rove- seriously man- I consider you a friend- who can't take blame, passes off excuses and can't seem to take care of serious issues- or even want to.  Arkhan- you need to shut your mouth when grown folks are talking.  Rove- you need to apologize and take care of this refund business. 

That is all- I've said my piece- have at me if you will.

[kattare]

Regarding paypal... Rover, I feel your pain.  Kattare, INC takes paypal as a payment option for our webhosting clients and about once every couple of months a transaction inexplicably gets held for investigation.

However... Kattare, INC went into the paypal game with eyes wide open.  Everyone who has been on the internet for more than a few years KNOWS that paypal freezes accounts, and transactions, on a regular basis for their own hidden agendas.  My personal belief is that they have some big bank accounts somewhere gathering interest off of everyone's paypal "money" and whenever those bank accounts fall below a certain point, they target an account or two (thousand) for "investigation" so they can hold onto the cash for a while.

My point however, is that when these transactions get put on hold, Kattare, INC still credits the client the funds, provides the service,  and pretends as if Kattare, INC has received the funds.  (in one case even, on a $5,000+ transaction)  Why bully our clients over a payment method that WE chose?  You need to provide for your clients, the gamers, as if they have already paid you.  Because they have, with a payment method you chose, eyes wide open.

[RoyVegas]

Roy- you should know by now how one of my rants will read- full of piss and vinegar. 

I've been the target, I know how you can get...    

[lord_cack]

Opinions are opinions, everyone has one, everyone is entitled to one. But, what I was talking about Sinistron was the fact that it was legitimately private information. Peoples privacies were violated. Is it top secret government information, a threat to national security, or the spec of the Next iPhone.... no. But it was private none the less.

So, thats not a big deal? Even in this massive mess that is the internet, people are entitled to privacy, when the location they post in is private. So, how does such information find its way out? I don't know, I just know that the information was mentioned, I know who mentioned it. I addressed it in privacy and was set to leave it alone. But, as more information made its way from Frozen Utopia's "Private Forum" subtly on to these forums, I felt compelled to address the issue in the only way I felt I could, with my personal example of the privacy violation. 

Are you right in being upset with the situation discussed? Yes, fully, its all been in poor taste. Is your point valid, it is. Is mine, I believe it is. Is the name calling necessary.... probably not.

Now as was mentioned before, can we get back on topic.... whatever it is by now.

[Joe Redifer]

I think this thread has run its course.  It is time for it to end now, because I don't see it getting back on track any time soon.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion and is free to express it, but when it just becomes back and forth over and over, it is a waste of everyone's time.  If anyone has questions or concerns about their Mysterious Song pre-orders, you can Private Message those involved with the game.

Sinistron will take a two-week vacation from the forums for personal attacks against Arkhan that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at all.  Nobody is saying you need to like the guy, but personal attacks are unacceptable.  Two weeks should be pretty easy for Sinistron since he doesn't post too often, but next time it will be permanent.

[nodtveidt]

The reason the site is down right now is because the server payment is late. All of our sites are down, including palib-dev.com, eponasoft.com, pontecyber.net, etc. It'll be up again as soon as I get ahold of a credit card to get it paid off, which should be in a few hours.

Only one person has requested a refund though, and I will have it taken care of as soon as I can. But I can only take responsibility for what actually IS my responsibility. Paypal sucks and everyone knows it but it's what pretty much everyone has. I am not going to be meaninglessly apologetic for things out of my control, but that doesn't mean I won't try to find another route...I already told him that, and he said not to worry, to let him know when the issue was resolved.

The reason we started taking pre-orders was because we were *right there*...the game was on schedule and there was nothing holding us back. As it is, I'm already waiving shipping fees as recompense for the delay...whoever's pre-ordered won't have to pay to have it shipped when it's pressed. That's the least I can do in apology for the delay.