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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2012, 07:42:46 AM »
but, you can do vibrato and tremolo without using the LFO feature of the PCE.   You can hear it in my Doom video, more towards the tail end though.  I think I did it in R Type too and and Shadow of the Beast, actually.   
   I don't use LFO.

Also, it's called a whammy bar :) No one really actually calls it a trem bar.  Probably because it's wrong.  Blame Fender.  They sell their vibrato bridge assembly as a "tremolo", where other companies (Bigsby) sell it as a vibrato.  As far as actual tremolo goes my Ampeg had a real nice tremolo built in. That with my Gretsch made some real nice rockabilly noise. 

I tried to simulate a real fast tremolo in one of the Insanity chiptunes.  I think it was used on the green-robot level. 

Also, you don't mean to say LFO is useless in audio for music as a whole, right?   Just for PCE?

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2012, 08:42:09 AM »

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but, you can do vibrato and tremolo without using the LFO feature of the PCE.   You can hear it in my Doom video, more towards the tail end though.  I think I did it in R Type too and and Shadow of the Beast, actually.


 That's what I'm saying. You can do 'lfo' type effects in software on the PCE without using the LFO hardware mode. And by doing it in software, you don't lose an audio channel. The LFO hardware mode on the pce also only effects the frequency (so vibrato only).

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Also, you don't mean to say LFO is useless in audio for music as a whole, right?   Just for PCE?

 No. What I'm saying is that LFO hardware mode on the pce (paired channel mode 0 & 1) is useless for creating any 'FM' type sounds that fit a note harmonic/frequency. Because of how the frequency modulation is based on period steps. I guess you could use it to create some 'instrument' sounds that are inharmonic to note frequencies. Something along the lines of drum or crash or symbol or inharmonic bell, etc (not to sound like them, but as a single instance. No bending or sliding or different notes, etc).

 Heh, maybe that's why they did call it 'LFO' mode. Because that's its most practical use. The upper frequency ranges for it are pretty sparse because of the period system (was just messing around with my old test app).

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2012, 08:47:18 AM »
Oh ok.  I must've missed the first thing, and was just clearing up the second part, lol.

I never bothered with it because the outcome possibilities didn't seem worth it considering what I've pulled off without it.
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2012, 01:42:03 PM »
LFOs turned up really loud can also bring a whole house into shakings. It's great, you hear nothing, but you feel it and windows and stuff starts rattling.
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2012, 04:10:42 PM »
Thanks guys, that clears things up quite a bit.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2012, 11:35:40 AM »
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFYzjU-C3mA This shit.   It was done before C64 though, since it's just a synthesizer setting.  Depeche Mode used it a lot too.


That really reminds me of Starfield stage 4  on Salamander pce hucard.
 can't remember if this emulated sound sounds accurate to the pce's tho..

mmmmmm wish they made this track into a full 3~4 minute track...



and this track stage 3 just gets the blood pumping!
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2012, 11:42:53 AM »
some of the low tones in the Altered Beast HuCard's music use LFO.  They sound pretty bassy and FM-like for the PCE, imo.  there are only like 4 games that use it.  I forget what the other three are, though.

some of the music here in altered beast sounds like those in cadash particularly in the title music and also in jigoku meguri
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2012, 07:19:33 PM »
this is my fav pce salamander track. i also believe that it was a pce exclusive track:
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