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I think I knew one person and one alone that had a CD unit (and that's a maybe, it's a blur), but I know he gained my copy of the first Nintendo Power issue because I left it at his place and when he went back to California, his dad thought it was his so he mailed it to him... I knew another guy in High School that had just a TG-16 and I believe I got Air Zonk and/or Bonk III from him when he was trying to get rid of it. But yeah, other than one possible example, I didn't know anyone with a CD unit so I had to buy every game for it; if a videostore existed in the Chicagoland area that offered CD games for rental, I sure as hell never knew about it.

Tangent1: I remember calling Working Designs and asking about "Cosmic Fantasy 2" and whatever other games they had for sale. I think the asking price was $34.99, but I didn't wanna spend that much, so I bought it used for $19.99 or something from retailers I found on the last ad pages of EGM, GameFan (most likely), etc. The WD lady also told me she had "Parosal Stars" for $9.99, so hey, I bought that one direct! :) This was another reason I liked WD, most people I spoke to in the past when hunting for games to buy were all business. She actually spoke with me a bit; I remember being told about how they had already started work on Cosmic Fantasy 3, but given the uncertainty of TTi's future, etc. they had to stop. Something like that...

The only other time I had an interesting chat in the hunt for games was when I was looking to buy Dracula X, which incidentally, I blame GameFan for, that is, getting me interested in import PC Engine CD games, what with them always teasing us with their "Games we never got!!!" series, etc. They had a certain portrayal of the system, as this cool, edgy, rogue Japanese counterpart, they made the SuperGrafx look so friggin' cool too! Anyway, I called a few places about Dracula X, and this one guy who told me he had just sold his last copy talked to me for like half an hour about how I should keep looking for it, and, "OMG! It is Castlevania times 10!!!!!", etc. Heh. But yeah, generally, everyone else was all straight business, not much small talk or say insider info, etc.... Just another one of the reasons why I remembered and liked WD.

Tangent2: I was reminded of something else on the subject of my Dracula X purchase, a little tale from my boyhood. Being a teen at the time, I didn't have a credit card of my own, so in order to buy stuff from these retailers, I had to use somebody else's card, so naturally, my dad's! So, we had an understanding of how that would work, if I'd buy a game or something using his card, the next time I'd see him, usually the next weekend, I'd give him the cash. No big deal, but he knew how much I was spending on games as a result. Well, in the case of Dracula X, the retailer was being strict and made it clear to me that he had to ship the game to the billing address, so that's what happened; it was shipped to my dad's house, thus I wouldn't get to play it until the next weekend when I'd visit him.

Alright, so the weekend comes, I go there all excited knowing it had arrived (the UPS guy just dropped the box off in front of the house), I give him $85 cash ($79.99 + $5 S/H) and let him know that that's what he was gonna see on his next CC bill, etc. I then quickly set up my Turbo Duo in the living room area where he would reside most of the time cause I wanted to play it on his 25" TV screen and he wasn't watching anything. So I'm playing along, so far so good, he's watching me play on and off, and eventually the first Richter death occurs with his signature death cry, http://www.ysutopia.net/special/richter-aaaaah.wav
and then another, and another, etc. Some time later, he gets up to go to the bathroom and he decides to get a little joke in there as he's walking away, "$85 dollars, Nick... http://www.ysutopia.net/special/richter-aaaaah.wav
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Heh-heh! So yeah, he teased me for spending $85 on the game with his impression of Richter's own death cry... He did it a couple of times too, got a real kick out of it!! (That was the most I ever spent on a game, till Lunar 2 with its Gold pendant or the Arc the Lad collection, same price though.) Well, there ya go, that's my story, a NEC family bonding moment from the past, courtesy of my late father!! :P

Even if Cosmic Fantasy 2 wasn't purchased by all owners of TG-CD, at least we have a base number to work with.


Yeah, just a rough figure. The interviewers hoped he had inside info from TTi, but that was the best he could do.

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But was Cosmic Fantasy 2 a top-seller? I wonder what other TG-CD games (Ys???) were big-sellers. If only we had those numbers, too.


It must've been for WD. I would think so. I know it was RPG of the Year in either EGM or something else which was one of the reasons I was looking to buy it. But, I started getting comfortable buying used games, so I didn't feel like paying full price - maybe though I should've bought it direct from them, nice and new, when I had the chance. I wasn't counted!!!!
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I think I knew one person and one alone that had a CD unit (and that's a maybe, it's a blur), but I know he gained my copy of the first Nintendo Power issue because I left it at his place and when he went back to California, his dad thought it was his so he mailed it to him... I knew another guy in High School that had just a TG-16 and I believe I got Air Zonk and/or Bonk III from him when he was trying to get rid of it. But yeah, other than one possible example, I didn't know anyone with a CD unit so I had to buy every game for it; if a videostore existed in the Chicagoland area that offered CD games for rental, I sure as hell never knew about it.

Tangent1: I remember calling Working Designs and asking about "Cosmic Fantasy 2" and whatever other games they had for sale. I think the asking price was $34.99, but I didn't wanna spend that much, so I bought it used for $19.99 or something from retailers I found on the last ad pages of EGM, GameFan (most likely), etc. The WD lady also told me she had "Parosal Stars" for $9.99, so hey, I bought that one direct! :) This was another reason I liked WD, most people I spoke to in the past when hunting for games to buy were all business. She actually spoke with me a bit; I remember being told about how they had already started work on Cosmic Fantasy 3, but given the uncertainty of TTi's future, etc. they had to stop. Something like that...

The only other time I had an interesting chat in the hunt for games was when I was looking to buy Dracula X, which incidentally, I blame GameFan for, that is, getting me interested in import PC Engine CD games, what with them always teasing us with their "Games we never got!!!" series, etc. They had a certain portrayal of the system, as this cool, edgy, rogue Japanese counterpart, they made the SuperGrafx look so friggin' cool too! Anyway, I called a few places about Dracula X, and this one guy who told me he had just sold his last copy talked to me for like half an hour about how I should keep looking for it, and, "OMG! It is Castlevania times 10!!!!!", etc. Heh. But yeah, generally, everyone else was all straight business, not much small talk or say insider info, etc.... Just another one of the reasons why I remembered and liked WD.

Tangent2: I was reminded of something else on the subject of my Dracula X purchase, a little tale from my boyhood. Being a teen at the time, I didn't have a Credit Card of my own, so in order to buy stuff from these retailers, I had to use somebody else's card, so naturally, my dad's! So, we had an understanding of how that would work, if I'd buy a game or something using his card, the next time I'd see him, usually the next weekend, I'd give him the cash. No big deal, but he knew how much I was spending on games as a result. Well, in the case of Dracula X, the retailer was being strict and made it clear to me that he had to ship the game to the billing address, so that's what happened; it was shipped to my dad's house, thus I wouldn't get to play it until the next weekend when I'd visit him.

Alright, so the weekend comes, I go there all excited knowing it had arrived (the UPS guy just dropped the box off in front of the house), I give him $85 ($79.99 + $5 S/H) etc. and let him know that's what he's gonna see on his next bill, etc. I connect my Turbo Duo up to the living room where he would reside most of the time cause I wanted to play it on his 25" TV screen and he wasn't watching anything. So I'm playing along, he's watching me play on and off, and eventually the first Richter death occurs with his signature death cry, "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" and then another, and another, etc. Some time later, he gets up to go to the bathroom and he decides to get a little joke in there as he's walking away, "$85 dollars, Nick... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!" Heh-heh! So yeah, he teased me for spending $85 on the game with his impression of Richter's own death cry... He did it a couple of times too, got a real kick out of it!! (That was the most I ever spent on a game, till Lunar 2 with its Gold pendant or the Arc the Lad collection, same price though.) Well, there ya go, that's my story, a NEC family bonding moment from the past, courtesy of my late father!! :P

Even if Cosmic Fantasy 2 wasn't purchased by all owners of TG-CD, at least we have a base number to work with.


Yeah, just a rough figure. The guys hoped he had inside info from TTi, but that was the best he could do.

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But was Cosmic Fantasy 2 a top-seller? I wonder what other TG-CD games (Ys???) were big-sellers. If only we had those numbers, too.


It must've been for WD. I would think so. I know it was RPG of the Year in either EGM or something else which was one of the reasons I was looking to buy it. But, I started getting comfortable buying used games, so I didn't feel like paying full price - maybe though I should've bought it direct from them, nice and new, when I had the chance. I wasn't counted!!!!


(1) I didn't know anyone with TG-CD. Sadly, this meant my brothers and I had tough choices to make when we were deciding what to purchase next...I love shoot-em-ups, but my brothers want RPG/ARPG...whatever we purchase is going to be the only new game we have for a LONG time.

(2) I started working as a senior in high school (1993), so I had the means to find video games...but, truth be told, I was trying to buy a car/pay rent on apartment/go to college, so I video games took a back seat. Wait! Look at next point!

(3) I blame TTi for ruining my appreciation of SuperCD games. I tried SO HARD, FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS to buy an upgrade card (3.0) when it was first released. I called constantly. I never gave up. Well, I guess I DID give up, because I never was able to purchase System Card 3.0. This basically explains why I lost interest in the final outpouring of SCD games from TTi—I had no means of playing them. I ended up buying almost all the HuCard and CD releases (like Vasteel!) as a result. My brother eventually purchased a discounted DUO so we could play SCD games, but this was when TTi was long dead.

(4) I'm still pissed off (frustrated) that I, one of the staunchest TG-16 supporters, was able to get a System Card 3.0 at launch. Does anyone know if they prematurely mailed out the flyers? I was going to get 3.0 + software bundle for ~$99.

(5) I only knew a few people with TG-16—they got the console because of me (or my brothers) and we traded games frequently. BUT, we're talking 4-5 people, maximum.

(6) THANK YOU DragonMasterDan for pointing out the release date of SegaCD—I totally forgot that SegaCD had only been available for a short period of time at the point Gic was discussing the potential customer bases of TG-CD vs. SegaCD. Sega did sell a lot more CD units (as I thought) after the initial year.

(7) I love "family bonding" via TG-16 stories, so, to build on what NightWolve shared (about purchasing games and being teased by his dad): friends in high school were getting the Genesis for Christmas. I told them I was getting the TG-16.  We shared our thoughts on the game libraries. I said that all the Genesis titles looked awesome. I wanted Blazing Lazers, period. I told them that a single game was driving me to choose TG-16. Well, one guy, who was an awesome nerd and had scoured all of the screenshots/brochures/magazine coverage, said something like this: "You know, Cheenah Warrior looks pretty cool, too."

"Cheenah Warrior?" I replied. Had I been mispronouncing the name of this game wiu everyone? I didn't question him, since he always was a wealth of knowledge. My brain raced. SUDDENLY , China Warrior was no longer about Bruce Lee and China (as I had assumed). Cheenah means something in SPANISH, and that means the game is about Latino gangs. Heck, this game already sounds more interesting based simply on the premise of Latin Gangs. Remember, of course, that my brothers and I watched all of the B- (C-) films that involved violent gang wars (very popular in the 80's). HOLY CRAP!!!

When I arrived back home that afternoon I told my brothers, "It's pronounced CHEENAH Warrior!!!"

The main character, no longer a cloned Bruce Lee from China, became a Latino Martial Arts Powerhouse. What country did his country hail from? It didn't matter, because he was a former cholo (raised in LA!) who found the right path and fights for justice now.

Yes, Cheenah Warrior became a ludicrous amalgamation of the most generic plots from the movies I loved to watch.

After several months of anticipation, my brothers and I take all of the money we saved and purchase Cheenah Warrior. It is a day or two after Christmas, 1989. Blazing Lazers was awesome. So was Legendary Axe. Surely, Cheenah Warrior will be the BEST.

We slip in the HuCard and power-up TG-16.

"I am a f*cking dumb ass," I mutter to my brothers. They are shaking their heads. I am in total disbelief. It was one of the most absurd, ridiculous moments in my video game life.

(9.7) To this day, I still alternate between "China Warrior" and "Cheenah Warrior" when referring to the game with real humans.
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(3) I blame TTi for ruining my appreciation of SuperCD games. I tried SO HARD, FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS to buy an upgrade card (3.0) when it was first released. I called constantly. I never gave up. Well, I guess I DID give up, because I never was able to purchase System Card 3.0. This basically explains why I lost interest in the final outpouring of SCD games from TTi—I had no means of playing them. I ended up buying almost all the HuCard and CD releases (like Vasteel!) as a result. My brother eventually purchased a discounted DUO so we could play SCD games, but this was when TTi was long dead.

(4) I'm still pissed off (frustrated) that I, one of the staunchest TG-16 supporters, was able to get a System Card 3.0 at launch. Does anyone know if they prematurely mailed out the flyers? I was going to get 3.0 + software bundle for ~$99.

I went to the 1992 Summer CES and they (TTI) were handing out mail order flyers that included the System Card 3.0 and the 3.0 bundle with Gate of Thunder. That was in May 1992. Either it was already available then (which is what I was led to believe by the fact that they were passing out flyers) or the flyers came out long before the actual cards were available.

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(6) THANK YOU DragonMasterDan for pointing out the release date of SegaCD—I totally forgot that SegaCD had only been available for a short period of time at the point Gic was discussing the potential customer bases of TG-CD vs. SegaCD. Sega did sell a lot more CD units (as I thought) after the initial year.

Yep, when the model 2 came out the price dropped and sales improved. Considering how few model 1 Sega CDs seem to be floating around (a lot of people want them), that tells you that the bulk of the systems sales came later on.
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I bought a TG-16 with my own money when the price dropped to $99. Unfortunately, I didn't get a pack-in deal so I was stuck with Keith Courage for months until I could afford some new games. My parents gave me the CD unit for Christmas one year (and that was all I got, I think). The packaging was indeed ridiculous, but the carrying case was really useful, because I took that thing to friends' houses all the time. I picked up the Super System Card 3.0 via mail order directly from TZD with the 3-in-1. Got Dracula X in Japan, new, at a little game store in a train station in either Kyoto or Morioka, can't remember which. Only place I actually saw a copy on the shelf. I was determined to pick up that one title, if nothing else (and I didn't buy anything else). I did get a preview of Dracula X before I got home because my host sister's little sister had a PCE briefcase with Super System Card. I also had every WD game, all purchased new, if often on discount.

Then, the summer after my freshman year at college I traded the whole shebang on the Turbo List for a Saturn rig. I don't regret that trade, but I do miss my old Turbo setup. If I had kept it I might have missed out on a lot of other great games, and I would never have gotten into Saturn imports. I simply didn't have the resources to support a multi-platform habit.

Now all I have is a Core I, 3 controllers, a tap, and a few HuCard games.
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I finally got around to listening to this last night - 'twas good for a few laughs, particularly the part where Greiner said that at one point the games slated for release in the US was based (in part) on the opinions of a seven year old girl.
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I heard that too, kind of explains alot.


I finally got around to listening to this last night - 'twas good for a few laughs, particularly the part where Greiner said that at one point the games slated for release in the US was based (in part) on the opinions of a seven year old girl.
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I finally got around to listening to this last night - 'twas good for a few laughs, particularly the part where Greiner said that at one point the games slated for release in the US was based (in part) on the opinions of a seven year old girl.
I like the part when Greiner calls out the interviewer as being a "super nerd."
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...the games slated for release in the US was based (in part) on the opinions of a seven year old girl.

I thought I remember hearing "4-year-old girl"?  At any rate, yeah, NEC USA was the worst.

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...the games slated for release in the US was based (in part) on the opinions of a seven year old girl.

I thought I remember hearing "4-year-old girl"?  At any rate, yeah, NEC USA was the worst.

You guys are crazy. I base all of my financial decisions on the advice of children in kindergarten. If there is a more rational approach to life's crucial decisions, please enlighten me.




P.S. I am sorry for being so defensive. I was the young girl that NEC NA consulted for the TG-16 release schedule. I was crushed when Greiner vetoed Alice in Wonder Dream, so I told him that Drop Rock would be a top-seller. You can't blame me; he was a real dick about it. He's the kind of guy who is nice in a face-to-face conversation, but totally betrays you when push comes to shove. When he politely declined to even humor my suggestions (Wallaby!, Hany on the Road), I exacted my revenge by hand-picking Deep Blue (the fishtank simulation) as a launch title. I still can't believe that not a single person questioned the decision to make Deep Blue a launch title. Mrs. Plodsworth, my kindergarten teacher, and I thought it was the funniest thing. We knew that Darius fans would be especially bitter, since they have a fetish for fish-themed shewties.

Finally, I don't want you guys to start hitting on me now that you know I am a woman. That's the #1 reason why I hide behind a male persona online. Seriously.
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Finally, I don't want you guys to start hitting on me now that you know I am a woman.

Ugghhh... that's gonna be tough.  You're the trifecta - female, OBEYs, and wears a zipper mask.
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Finally, I don't want you guys to start hitting on me now that you know I am a woman.


Ugghhh... that's gonna be tough.  You're the trifecta - female, OBEYs, and wears a zipper mask.


At least folks have been respectful. I still get the average amount of obscene PM's here at pcenginefx.com...I was worried they were going to skyrocket.

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Good read, esteban - I still think *my* story is better, though! Pretty clever of the old man, ya gotta admit (WHAT?!?! $85 DOLLARS?!?! http://www.ysutopia.net/special/richter-aaaaah.wav
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Finally, I don't want you guys to start hitting on me now that you know I am a woman. That's the #1 reason why I hide behind a male persona online. Seriously.


Aha, I knew it!!!!! ;)