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SamIAm

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2014, 01:38:25 PM »
I confess that I am very impressed with those two SFC Bomberman tracks. I actually kinda like them a little better than the PCE versions. They are not overly laden with reverb and other SNES trickery and are better straight tracks.

Also, it DOES sound like they're playing with the equalizer a little on the Magical Chase OST track. It sounds a little better, with the bass boosted a little, over the original hardware.


Which two did you like? There were three SNES Bomberman tracks. I'm curious if I'm alone in liking the first one.

Also, you might be right about some equalization being applied to Magical Chase. I still haven't compared it to a real console, but the stereo separation seems slightly different in the OST. It would be nice to get a proper direct rip of this game.

By the way, there's a dude on the ffshrine forums who has been making lots of quality direct rips, which I've been pilfering for this thread.
http://forums.ffshrine.org/f72/iron-goats-console-audio-soundtracks-master-list-174131/
 

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2014, 05:46:58 PM »
I gotta go with the pc engine music better. the snes version just sounds bad and distorted a bit.

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2014, 07:23:50 AM »
Which two did you like? There were three SNES Bomberman tracks. I'm curious if I'm alone in liking the first one.

The second two. The first one was an interesting mix, and I think they did some creative things with it, but I just didn't find to be any better to listen to.
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SamIAm

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2014, 01:10:15 AM »
Well, esteban? Any thoughts. :)

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2014, 08:52:29 AM »
I have a lot to say. 

Unfortunately, I am so p@ssed off at my crappy hosting service (for tg-16.com) that I can't think straight.




My thoughts on topic....pending...

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esteban

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If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2014, 01:59:25 AM »
I agree in a sense, but comparisons are inevitable since the two systems were in competition for a certain period.

Now, I have no intention of using this to argue one system over the other, but I think the Bomberman games give an enlightening perspective on the audio of the SNES and PCE. Many of the basic melodies are the same, for one thing. For another, Hudson put real effort into them, and it shows. The first two Super Bomberman games sound dull, but by the third, they had gotten the hang of it.

(The following are all the same songs.)

Super Bomberman 3 (via SPC, 32khz sample rate):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/muthmi0k9tjtg8e/1-1.%20Super%20Bomberman%203.mp3?dl=0
Bomberman PCE (via HES):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lcaloito7ffpfbh/1-2.%20Bomberman%20PCE.mp3?dl=0

Super Bomberman 3 (enhanced with 44.1khz sound):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j07jtpcr6if7szj/1-3.%20Bomberman%203%20SNES%20Enchanced.mp3?dl=0


Super Bomberman 3 (unenhanced):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kyrhm55xlx17yvw/2-1.%20Super%20Bomberman%203.mp3?dl=0
Bomberman 93:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ptjxjqpwtxwqw83/2-2.%20Bomberman%2093.mp3?dl=0


Super Bomberman 4 (unenhanced):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/olqg1o6ib8g7g2b/3-1.%20Super%20Bomberman%204.mp3?dl=0
Bomberman 94 (HES):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bumei7d6togbtv9/3-2.%20Bomberman%2094.mp3?dl=0


Also, here is the official OST rip of the title screen of Magical Chase, preceded by a HES version:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h9y7shn7ws80ita/4-1.%20Magical%20Chase%20-%20HES.mp3?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cyr1tesd9le3d6a/4-2.%20Magical%20Chase%20-%20OST.mp3?dl=0

I remember comparing the OST to the real game when it came out, and they're very close.


By the way, I used to compare the sound of SPC (emulated SNES sound) to the real thing. If you adjust the settings in your SPC player to be close to the real thing, particularly the sample rate, it's pretty similar. I used a real system, but you can judge for yourself by using an official CD soundtrack.

Unenhanced SPC:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/30c36igosuvd5nw/5-1.%20Corridors%20of%20Time%20-%20SPC.mp3?dl=0
OST rip:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9s4s76mhqd555gb/5-2.%20-%20Corridors%20of%20Time%20-%20OST.mp3?dl=0

EDIT: I might as well add the enhanced SPC if anyone is interested.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7p5w2f7m0tpjcii/5-3.%20-%20Corridors%20of%20Time%20-%20Enhanced.mp3?dl=0


Finally, to my ear anyway, Genesis music seems to get the most drastic boost from emulation enhancement. I'll see if I can track down a good rip from a real system for comparison.

VGM rip at 44.1khz:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wu1hmcpy2d4qjzv/6-1.%20Wave%20131%20VGM.mp3?dl=0

Direct rip:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2akg75i5kwfy4w6/6-2.%20Wave%20131%20Rip.mp3?dl=0

A week late, but at least I finally had a chance to commit my thoughts to a post.

• I think the SFC Bomberman tracks sound glorious (the un-enhanced vs. enhanced versions = different flavors, sure, with some noticeable differences, but I enjoy both, so I am doubly happy).

• Summary: The PCE can hold its own with (1-2) and (3-2) but PCE struggles with (2-2), a pale imitation of the amazingly atmospheric version from SFC (3-1).



•  Who wins Track 1?
The SFC arrangement and execution is glorious and gets the win. The PCE is pretty damn good (catchy as hell) and shouldn't be ashamed of its offering. However, the SFC simply nails it: it's subtleties/nuances are so exquisitely executed that the tune, ironically, is not "weak Muzak" but the opposite—GENUINELY POWERFUL and atmospheric.




•  Track 2?
As I already stated, the (heavenly) SFC version crushes PCE. ON ITS OWN, the PCE tune is actually a decent track (I like it!), but in a comparison, the SFC stomps all over it—it is such a delicate, brooding piece that is restrained, alternating soundscapes and instruments so gracefully that it makes me cry. The PCE tries to capture the delicate nature of SFC, but the SFC version is so subtle and nuanced in its arrangement.



•  Track 3?
 I am not a fan of this track (any version), but I feel the PCE version holds the melody better and is stronger overall. The SFC tries to impress us with the percussion—and initially I liked the SFC percussion—BUT THEN I REALIZED THAT THE PERCUSSION OVERPOWERS THE MELODY and doesn't hold up well on the hundredth loop...if the percussion was more subtle, I think the SFC arrangement would be greatly improved.  Of course, I'm sure folks would call the PCE percussion anemic (it is, but it is appropriate, IMHO). I guess folks could criticize the PCE for making the cloying melody TOO MUCH OF A FOCUS, and we get sick of it quickly.

What's more annoying? SFC's overpowering percussion or PCE's overpowering (cloying) melody?

Maybe the SFC is better in the long-run. I honestly can't decide. Both tracks irk me after repeated listening.





Chrono Trigger Corridors of Time will always be an exquisite, delicate, masterful tune. Truly beautiful. Truly. There is such power in the nuances as soundscapes/instruments transition seamlessly.

Streets of Rage is wonderful, too. Of course.

I agree with whoever suggested the OST for Magical Chase was processed by an equalizer...perhaps each PSG channel was "optimized" to provide a more dynamic soundscape than the raw PSG tune could provide. The raw PSG sounds really nice though.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2014, 02:40:16 AM by esteban »
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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2014, 05:16:40 PM »
Holy crap - as I was catching up on this thread I was listening to Sunteam_Paul's PC Engine City Episode 17 right as this very Super Star Soldier track came on (~7:40)!  Talk about a surreal experience...
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esteban

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If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #52 on: October 19, 2014, 04:57:08 AM »
Holy crap - as I was catching up on this thread I was listening to Sunteam_Paul's PC Engine City Episode 17 right as this very Super Star Soldier track came on (~7:40)!  Talk about a surreal experience...


That is crazy. I love when stuff like that happens.

I've been re-listening to all of the songs that DamIAm posted.

AND WONDERING IF I WAS TOO HARSH ON THE PCE.
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SamIAm

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #53 on: October 19, 2014, 04:12:41 PM »
esteban, I'm curious about what you think of the emulated music versus the direct rip stuff. Does the rough white noise from HES players bum you out, too, or am I being too sensitive? Do you like the clean Genesis VGM or the softer sound of the original? Does emulated SNES sound close enough for you that you don't care either way?

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2014, 03:05:01 AM »

esteban, I'm curious about what you think of the emulated music versus the direct rip stuff. Does the rough white noise from HES players bum you out, too, or am I being too sensitive? Do you like the clean Genesis VGM or the softer sound of the original? Does emulated SNES sound close enough for you that you don't care either way?

Gotcha... Let me listen some more. Ha!

I didn't download the Legenday Axe tracks yet...
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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2014, 06:16:14 PM »
Here's another problem that you might want to know about if you are directly recording PCE soundtracks:   http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17913.0

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2014, 12:36:29 PM »
Play that funky music PC engine boy!

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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2014, 07:54:29 AM »
I like listening to stuff on the actual hardware (or recordings made from them). I don't like the emulated sounds. I can play SPCs on my SNES and with a bit of work making them into ROMs, VGMs on my Genesis. HES will also play on the Turbo if you rename them from .hes to .pce and play them from the Turbo Everdrive. Unfortunately only part of the PCE library has been made to HES. Would love some giant ROM that has the chiptunes from all games (CDs included) on it with a text GUI so we know what we're listening to. NSFs can't be played on real hardware yet to my knowledge.

Is some kind of custom firmware required to do this? It doesn't work on my Turbo Everdrive.
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Re: If only the PCE was an SFC
« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2014, 08:39:25 AM »
MegaMax X's guitar samples apply a chorus'y effect so they sound slightly detuned.

This is why applying them straight to a MIDI of a PCE song makes them sound full-retard.

In reality, MegaMan X's instruments are perfect for most of the Soldier Blade soundtrack, as they are just chiptune power metal.

Devil Crush is another one.

You just have to be very careful and specific about what you're doing.
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