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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2014, 09:47:47 PM »
"fair and reasonable" is definitely something from a buyer's perspective that the prices I quoted don't have. I cannot argue against that. If it were me in particular with the task of selling these, I think it would be prudent to see where each game is at on ebay listings (Buy It Now) right now and then undercut them by a couple of bucks each. I don't see why they wouldn't sell.

Why look at asking prices at all? If I put up Keith Courage for $10000, does that raise the value somehow?
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2014, 10:44:33 PM »
Well because if someone were inclined to buy an item now, they will buy the lowest priced one if they are all the same item and in comparable condition. That is why you check the current listings and then undercut them. On the face if you listed a keith courage for 10k, this does not change the market...unless it sells. Highly unlikely but if someone really did complete a transaction for keith courage for 10k it would effect the market. To what degree, I couldn't say.

Regardless of how over priced everyone on here thinks the listings are, that doesn't mean people won't pay it. That's kind of why the market is shifting. It has every bit to do with demand as it does supply. In fact, I'd blame the ones buying the inflated prices more so than the people listing high prices. If one is patient they can find a fair price for these games. Necromancer's quoted prices prove that. Let's face facts though. No one younger than the people who played these systems in their youth has patience to wait to save $3 or $5 or $10 on a retro game especially when they are used to brand new current gen. games costing $60 a pop. Does it cause the market to go up? Absolutely it does. We in the community are forced to bend to the prices set by outsiders and that's frustrating. This really is just business and economics 101 though. Supply is finite on these games. They aren't making any more of them. The only thing causing this market to fluctuate is demand. Every new person starting out collecting TG16 gear is why this is happening. Until that slows or decreases, the sky is the limits on the value these games will have. Short of all of us dieing out or a re-release of these games or a crash in the US dollar, I really would expect the prices we see online to just continue to climb and probably at an accelerating rate.

Take Magical Chase for instance. I came across a forum (not this one) thread for one for sale for $300 about 10 years old. For 2010 I found a few that sold for $800-$900 and now pretty consistently they are going for around $2000. That's not a fluke. That's a trend. On that particular game we are currently looking at a 13.75% increase in value yearly. Next year it'll be going in the neighborhood of $2275 by my estimation, if not more. If I had disposable wealth, I'd honestly be buying up magical chase copies like mad. Can anyone name me an investment right now with an interest rate of 13.75%+/yearly and the security of knowing this market isn't going to change for the worse any time soon? Think about that! The values of these games is stronger than the US dollar right now.

I'm just as unhappy as anyone here is about it, but I chose to try to inform myself about how and why the market is doing what it is doing. I'm still no expert, but just complaining about it is like a rocking chair. It's something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere.

Before anyone accuses me of being a gouger, I'd like to just state, I've never sold or even traded away a Turbo game. In fact, the extras I have are going to be given away. I enjoyed Nullity's picture competition and I'm trying to come up with a similar kind of competition here which will have my extras as prizes. :)
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2014, 03:34:55 AM »
Why are you coming at this from a sellers perspective of "how much could I hope to sell these for"?  OP wants to buy at a good price, not maximize the seller's profits.

As for investments, Berkshire Hathaway stock has hit 13.xx% over the same time period and 19.7% annualized return since '64.  And that's a real investment that can't easily be stolen or lost in a flood/fire/storm, and you won't lose 10-15% of its value in fees when you sell it.
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2014, 04:51:31 AM »
Why are you coming at this from a sellers perspective of "how much could I hope to sell these for"?  OP wants to buy at a good price, not maximize the seller's profits.

As for investments, Berkshire Hathaway stock has hit 13.xx% over the same time period and 19.7% annualized return since '64.  And that's a real investment that can't easily be stolen or lost in a flood/fire/storm, and you won't lose 10-15% of its value in fees when you sell it.


Yea, however, if you you have an investment broker they take 15% every time you decide to invest more money. I could bet unless one is working in that area, most are not savvy enough to make sound mutual fund/stock purchases on their own.
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« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2014, 05:39:14 AM »
You're doing it wrong if you're paying anywhere near 15% every transaction,  but that doesn't matter.  The argument was that Magical Chase is a fantastic investment unmatched by traditional investment vehicles, which I disproved.
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« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2014, 05:44:51 AM »
You're doing it wrong if you're paying anywhere near 15% every transaction,  but that doesn't matter.  The argument was that Magical Chase is a fantastic investment unmatched by traditional investment vehicles, which I disproved.

Well we can agree upon that point

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« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2014, 05:50:31 AM »
Bottom line............................Video games are not investment to anyone but the creators, publishers etc..... Yes while the market has made a steady climb and in some cases huge spikes it's nothing like making real investments in the stocks of companies, or better yet do like your mother and father should have told you...invest in yourself :-) I know cheezy pep talk for self worth but probably more true than not. Yes I was one of the non advice followers of the parental units so take it from me kids investing in yourself is the best thing you can do, only you can change the world, only you can control your future (with a turbo pad) only you can save the baby seals from being clubbed, only you can prevent forest fires and most of all only you can stop Nullity from breaking into your house and stealing your Obey, having sex with your hot sister (if ya have one) if not your hot brother.

I still love you Nully :-)

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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2014, 06:46:42 AM »
Bottom line............................Video games are not investment to anyone but the creators, publishers etc..... Yes while the market has made a steady climb and in some cases huge spikes it's nothing like making real investments in the stocks of companies, or better yet do like your mother and father should have told you...invest in yourself :-) I know cheezy pep talk for self worth but probably more true than not. Yes I was one of the non advice followers of the parental units so take it from me kids investing in yourself is the best thing you can do, only you can change the world, only you can control your future (with a turbo pad) only you can save the baby seals from being clubbed, only you can prevent forest fires and most of all only you can stop Nullity from breaking into your house and stealing your Obey, having sex with your hot sister (if ya have one) if not your hot brother.

I still love you Nully :-)

are you trying to offer the orifices of your sibling(s) to me? hell yes! :lol:

It will cost ya man, I will need one new boxed cd unit and a copy of super over priced bonk 3 cd, throw in a Keith courage and a (insert super common low priced huey) and you can have back door too :-)

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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2014, 07:06:37 AM »
Why are you coming at this from a sellers perspective of "how much could I hope to sell these for"?  OP wants to buy at a good price, not maximize the seller's profits.

As for investments, Berkshire Hathaway stock has hit 13.xx% over the same time period and 19.7% annualized return since '64.  And that's a real investment that can't easily be stolen or lost in a flood/fire/storm, and you won't lose 10-15% of its value in fees when you sell it.

I was under the impression the original post in this thread was an attempt at sell games. Did I misinterpret that? Lol

The stockmarket doesn't have my confidence. I know people who work in the market and they were going nuts when the market hit 10000. Every indication I've been given is that it is a bubble very much like the housing market was ten years ago. Unfortunately, just waiting to burst and ruin lives.
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2014, 07:59:01 AM »
I posted, and was in position as a potential buyer. I ended up walking away as the seller wanted too much. I now see he has the bundle posted on eBay. With the help of some veteran folks here, and my new Turbo Express I was proud of my ability to walk away, and not overpay.
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2014, 08:18:10 AM »
Why are you coming at this from a sellers perspective of "how much could I hope to sell these for"?  OP wants to buy at a good price, not maximize the seller's profits.

As for investments, Berkshire Hathaway stock has hit 13.xx% over the same time period and 19.7% annualized return since '64.  And that's a real investment that can't easily be stolen or lost in a flood/fire/storm, and you won't lose 10-15% of its value in fees when you sell it.

I was under the impression the original post in this thread was an attempt at sell games. Did I misinterpret that? Lol

The stockmarket doesn't have my confidence. I know people who work in the market and they were going nuts when the market hit 10000. Every indication I've been given is that it is a bubble very much like the housing market was ten years ago. Unfortunately, just waiting to burst and ruin lives.


OP wanted to know what price would justify buying the lot.
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2014, 08:18:39 AM »
Double post
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2014, 01:44:20 PM »
My mistake. I concede to the necromancer, and to nullity's sibbling rape.

elderbroom, good on you. Nothing like the feeling of being ripped off. what was he asking, if I may ask?
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2014, 01:53:29 PM »
He wanted $175 USD , and said he would be coming to Toronto area in a couple weeks so could arrange a pickup.  It would have been an hour drive for me, but would have eliminated shipping. I was only willing to go as high as $100 .. we were too far apart, so I thanked him for his time and walked away.

Appears he bundled a loose console in with it since, and listed in on eBay.  Currently going for $202.50 USD with 5 bids, and 4 days left.

I'm glad I walked away, as it turns out my PCE GT's video just zonked. So going to use some available funds to get turbokon to re-cap it. Better use of my cash  :D
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Re: What is a reasonable price to pay for such a small bundle of games.
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2014, 03:32:09 PM »
Man, I got to get me one of those. :)
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