The Anime Thread: Finding Good Anime

[SignOfZeta]

DYRL was basically a wank real for fans of the TV series. You're supposed to already love all the characters already going in.

Amazingly I was able to stomach the childish bullshit long enough to wach Frontier and it was OK. Zero straight sucked though, a waste of a Macross series.

[ClodBuster]

The story of DYRL was initially a bit confusing to me, since there was no explanation why mankind was on a big 'ol transformable spaceship flying back to earth. There were only a few hints told by Minmay in her concert.
Still, all these things I didn't know about made it interesting for me to dig into it more and more. There were also some articles in the AnimaniA magazine back then revealing background information about the origins of the movie and its alterations to the TV series, and how Macross became the first part of Robotech.

The animated art of DYRL is pure visual porn.

[xelement5x]

The story of DYRL was initially a bit confusing to me, since there was no explanation why mankind was on a big 'ol transformable spaceship flying back to earth. There were only a few hints told by Minmay in her concert.
Still, all these things I didn't know about made it interesting for me to dig into it more and more. There were also some articles in the AnimaniA magazine back then revealing background information about the origins of the movie and its alterations to the TV series, and how Macross became the first part of Robotech.

The animated art of DYRL is pure visual porn.

I agree 100%, and while the story was a bit disjointed and some of the character development felt a bit rushed, I enjoyed it.

I was talking to a friend about this and he said that DYRL is actually supposed to be like, a movie made about the events of the first Macross series within that world.  Hence some weirdness, like Zeta said it feels like you need to know all the characters before watching the movie to get the full impact, but I didn't mind.

If you don't like Frontier and you don't like Zero, then what series from Macross do you actually enjoy Zeta?

[SignOfZeta]

I enjoy actual Macross. The 1982 series. Did you forget about that one? Zero was made like...20 years after the original show. It's not "Macross", it's "Macross Zero."  If you like Gundam Wing you don't like Gundam, you like Gundam Wing. "Gundam" proper is 0079, Zeta, ZZ, CCA, F91, 0080, 0083, Unicorn...with Macross the sequels are all canon more or less but the staff changes so much and the quality is so up and down that the stuff is clearly disconnected from Macross in so many ways.

Also, while I initially hated it like all western fans, I eventually flopfloped and fell totally in love with Macross 7, especially the Dynamite OVAs. I don't expect anyone to understand that, I have a hard time explaining myself. 7 is the only Macross that exists as a philosophical sequel. The other series producers try to invent conflict to have an exuse sell more VFs. They all go back to Boobytrap, basically, and just do the same shit all over again. 7 begins with the notion that you already know about the power of song but what do you do with it once you're bored of using it to kill aliens? The sacrifices the main characters will go through to try and answer this question are what make me love the show.

And of course I love DYRL immeasurably. A Concord moment of anime in so many ways, and also sort like the Thriller of anime in that EVERYONE who liked anime saw this in the summer of '84. I own it twice on LD and also the hybrid BR.

BTW, the hybrid BR has a short paragraph at the beginning that explains the setting...barely.

[ClodBuster]

It's similar to me.

The Macross I like is bonded to Mikimoto's 80s and 90s character designs, and the music of that time.
Even though I haven't seen anything else beyond Macross, DYRL and Lovers Again, I don't think I'll ever touch Frontier, Zero or Plus.

I found the Macross 7 Trash manga enjoyable enough that I might like the anime as well. Has it been available on disc anywhere, Japanese audio with English subtitles? Not counting bootlegs.

Also I don't care if later Macross incarnations claim DYRL to be a "movie" within the universe or even declare Lovers Again being non-canon. What the f*ck, is Shoji Kawamori trying to be George Lucas or what, for not being involved into Lovers Again.

[SignOfZeta]

Unless it came out in the U.K. I don't think Macross 7 was been released with subs anywhere. The DYRL BR I mentioned doesn't have them either. I think it might be a Harmony Gold issue since Bandai puts English subs on a lot of stuff now.

[ClodBuster]

Does HG have the US distribution rights for the whole Macross franchise, or only for the 1982 SDF Macross series?

[SignOfZeta]

They own Robotech as if it were an actual show they made. Therefore, any Macross items sold here go through them or nowhere. Any Macross show sold here would have have to have absolutely nothing to do with the original show including the word "Macross".

I read an interview where Kawamori basically says he feels that Macross could maybe be as big as Gundam if fans in America particularly could have access to it. Personally, I don't think Macross could be as good as Gundam because the focus is too narrow but he does have s point. There are more Macross fans here than anywhere precisely because of Robotech but they are unable to legally view Fronteir, Zeo, etc or even DYRL. What kind of a Macross fan can avoid DYRL? It's bullshit. Harmony Gold are total a$$holes.

[ClodBuster]

Well at least they allowed the release of the 1982 TV series unaltered through ADV Films. Also Plus and Lovers Again got official releases on DVD. So I think if US publishers would have the guts, they should be able to negotiate with HG amd Big West about releasing more Macross. Following also the example of Toynami who were able to produce TV and DYRL versions of transformable Valkyries (not just Veritechs) and other toys for the US a few years ago. Toynami must have had a decent enough production run since at one point I was able to buy these toys at a German con, where you'd usually find no Macross related stuff at all, and just very few Gundam kits.

This gets me puzzled why there isn't more like that.

[NightWolve]

Hm, just a quick detour, I ran into my scuffle with SignOfZeta from 2 years ago in this thread, and after looking at some of what I wrote, I felt I should apologize... It was extremely over-the-top/unhinged on my part, and I'm sorta surprised I was responsible for writing it, I feel embarrassed looking back at it. Dunno how he got me that angry, but ah well...

[Medic_wheat]

Decided to revisit my Anime collection and see what I have. What I am missing so I can try and fill any holes in my attempt to complete my various series runs.


Then I got side tracked re-watching the Moby Dick Anime series.

I forgot how much I got into these Ankme reimagjnnng of classic stories. Makes me want to hunt down the Romeo and Juliet that I never saw and finish finding the last Count of Monticello DVD I am missing fro that set.


Also missing two dvds for my ROD tv show and various other stuff.

[Gypsy]

Singles are the devil. Also, that Count anime was crap imo.

[Medic_wheat]

Singles are the devil. Also, that Count anime was crap imo.

I remember liking it. Granted I haven't re-watched it in maybe ten years. I haven't started watching it as I am still missing one of the dvds. Number two I think. If I re-watch it I want to bing watch it so I can make a fresh assessment of it. Sure I could eBay it, but I have had fun picking these up locally at used DVD stores. Usually for $4 or less a DVD.

Granted I have seen many older anime I enjoyed are getting or have been blu Ray released as a collection.

Outlaw star
Big O (never got to finish it when it aired)
Wolf Rain
Gundom 008 and 08 war
And many more I can't think of at the moment.

[Gypsy]

The whole show should be pretty cheap. Though, there may be some mild quality issues compared to the singles due to a lazy release. I noticed this with YuYu Hakusho. Of course that has a bluray release, which is likely cheaper than getting the singles, so I'll just grab those. Though I probably shouldn't, because I'll just keep these dvd sets I have anyway, and I have way too much anime.

[SignOfZeta]

I like Yuyu a lot but I didn't even consider buying the US DVDs when they first came out. Too long of a show, way too many discs in their plan, odds of cancelation too high.