Author Topic: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots  (Read 5730 times)

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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #195 on: January 28, 2012, 07:15:58 AM »
Yea but Fudoh had some copies out there right?  I mean maybe it's just me since I don't really enjoy games with Space Harrier style controls (except for Afterburner).  I mean if the effort is going in behind a quality reprint might as well do it for a quality game IMHO.  *shrugs*
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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #196 on: January 28, 2012, 07:18:41 AM »
Yeah, but majority rules I guess. I will buy it, or a couple.  Cuz I want more to come from it.  :)  So you should too!  :)

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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #197 on: January 28, 2012, 07:19:33 AM »
For sure I would! =)   ..and quick!  more votes on DH!
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« Reply #198 on: January 28, 2012, 07:27:15 AM »
Dynastic would be fine. But I need to know who'd seriously want to work on this before I throw a thousand dollars plus around. I have an original Dynastic. I could practically do that one by myself. Just need to find a press that could replicate the booklet and disc art.
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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #199 on: January 28, 2012, 07:30:22 AM »
If you divide the cost up by the amount of discs made, I am sure you will find it easy to get rid of the pressed games right here in the forums.  :)  I for one would buy a couple. 

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« Reply #200 on: January 28, 2012, 07:43:44 AM »
Anyone else out there have Dynastic? Might need a better back insert scan than mine can provide. (Has some wear from switching cases over the decades)
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« Reply #201 on: January 28, 2012, 07:45:52 AM »
I can do the following myself: Dynastic, Shadowgate, Bonk 3 CD, Dungeon Explorer II, Exile 2 (minus sleeve - mine is pretty rough), Might & Magic 3. Wish I'd never sold my Super Air Zonk. Never owned Godzilla or Cotton (Might need assistance with those two).
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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #202 on: January 28, 2012, 07:47:44 AM »
Are you saying you are going to scan all those yourself, or look into getting some booties pressed?

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« Reply #203 on: January 28, 2012, 07:54:23 AM »
I have all of those (except Zonk, Cotton, and Godzilla ... I never should've sold Zonk). I'll just have to be very ginger when pulling apart the booklets for scanning. I have no intention to burn anything. If I can find professional pressing and printing services, however, I'll see what I can do.
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« Reply #204 on: January 28, 2012, 03:10:30 PM »
Wouldn't the professional printing company also do the insert scanning themselves?
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« Reply #205 on: January 28, 2012, 03:49:29 PM »
Probably, but I could do back inserts myself if it ends up being cheaper. (I have a wonderful graphic designer and access to a college art department at my disposal. They'd be pretty close to perfect)

I'm slightly worried I'd get fined, but I really doubt anyone would care/notice two decades ex-post-facto. I'll find someway to put in discreet watermarks so they don't get confused with originals (and remove original copyright info), but  it will still practically double the number of available units on the market. Aside from fine print jargon, they'd be practically indistinguishable. I bet it will drive the prices down on a lot of those games. (I'll repeat: I can't do Godzilla, Super ZOnk, or Cotton since I don't ahve those 3 ... and I can't do Bonk 3CD unless my local friend decides to sell/trade it back to me *grumble* for an exorbitant profit I'm sure)

I think it might be a good idea to start with Dynastic. I'd want to charge just a little over cost, so i can pay people to start putting together graphic design/translation work for one of the imports like SO2 or SFZ. (Volunteers are fine, but people seem to work more efficiently when they're getting paid)

Question: Does US Terraforming count as one of the rare ones?

And who here found a pressing company that could do 500 copies for a thousand? And would ratio still work at 300 copies for $600?
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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #206 on: January 28, 2012, 04:06:01 PM »
Probably, but I could do back inserts myself if it ends up being cheaper. (I have a wonderful graphic designer and access to a college art department at my disposal. They'd be pretty close to perfect)

I'm slightly worried I'd get fined, but I really doubt anyone would care/notice two decades ex-post-facto. I'll find someway to put in discreet watermarks so they don't get confused with originals (and remove original copyright info), but  it will still practically double the number of available units on the market. Aside from fine print jargon, they'd be practically indistinguishable. I bet it will drive the prices down on a lot of those games. (I'll repeat: I can't do Godzilla, Super ZOnk, or Cotton since I don't ahve those 3 ... and I can't do Bonk 3CD unless my local friend decides to sell/trade it back to me *grumble* for an exorbitant profit I'm sure)

I think it might be a good idea to start with Dynastic. I'd want to charge just a little over cost, so i can pay people to start putting together graphic design/translation work for one of the imports like SO2 or SFZ. (Volunteers are fine, but people seem to work more efficiently when they're getting paid)

Question: Does US Terraforming count as one of the rare ones?

And who here found a pressing company that could do 500 copies for a thousand? And would ratio still work at 300 copies for $600?

You need to talk to Arkhan or Old Rover regarding a pressing facility.
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« Reply #207 on: January 28, 2012, 04:17:51 PM »
Still waiting for someone to jump out and scream at me for conspiring to commit crimes against humanity. I'll ask them. You sure they won't run me off for asking about games like Dynastic that already exist? (Guess all I can do is try)

This is exactly the kind of thing I asked TZD to do for MAG1, but then that was a decade ago now.
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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #208 on: January 28, 2012, 08:12:30 PM »
OK, let me explain how to properly jack other people's shit.

As someone who has a lot of legit and non-legit stuff in the way of video games, records, model kits, movies, etc I can tell you there are ways of doing this kind of thing, and ways to not do it.

What you want to do is illegal, but hardly immoral. Your goal should be to piss off as few people as possible, and I'm pretty sure you can do this without issue. Copyright law pretty much relies on someone suing you directly. Avoid pushing people's buttons and they won't care about you pirating an ancient game nobody gives a shit about.

First off, don't go to a CD manufacturer and say, "Here is someone else's complete retail product, which is now a valuable collectible. Could you please blatantly pirate hundreds of copies for me? I need you to scan the manual, the CD, everything. Thanks!" You don't even have to actually talk to someone there to know they aren't supposed to do that. Just get a copy of their terms of service. You need to deliver them an ISO and a PDF. That's it. As far as they know, you made it.

Secondly, file all the numbers off it. Remove all the copyright info. This seems counterintuitive to some people at first, but its one thing to steal someone's shit, its another to say they made the thing, to say that this fake thing came from them, when it didn't.

Third, make it IMPOSSIBLE to confuse with the real thing. Don't be "subtle" at all. Put something like "Fan Produced Unofficial Product" on every single page, the CD, everything. Also, don't produce crap like obi or reply cards because, by nature, only legit products have such things. You need to make is painfully obvious that this is NOT the real thing. Everyone who buys it needs to understand it is fake fake fake. It doesn't have to be ugly at all, but it has to be PROMINENT. If you hide it, at all, the eBay re-sellers will hide it completely.

Its absolutely impossible that a few dozen of these things won't end up on eBay for stupid prices. Hell, recently a forum member here bought up all the leftover fake Sapphires, ones that didn't even have cases, and had misprinted CDs, GAVE THEM AWAY FOR FREE and STILL they are showing up on eBay for actual money. This was Sapphire too. Most US collectors are too obsessed with paying $100 for Bomberman 93 to even know that Sapphire exists. A boot of something like Dynastic Hero...these f*ckers will be on eBay, and they will be $100 each. And hey, that's fine, there's nothing you can do about it. What you can assure though is that nobody who can read will think this is a real product. The Sapphire boots were incredibly authentic looking. DON'T DO THIS. :)

Here is an example of a bootleg album I have:

This is the original LP of New Order BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert:



This concert LP was not released for sale in the US. It did come out in the UK on CD and LP, but it was quite heavily edited. Someone besides the BBC also recorded the concert (the quality sucks) and they made it a 2LP so the entire thing with all the idiotic between-song banter and profanity that results from being pumped full of drugs. In fact, "Pumped full of Drugs" would have been a good name for this, but they used that for the concert video instead.

Here is the bootleg:



Who is going to be pissed off about this product? Nobody. Meanwhile, the fans get what they want from it. This sort of thing is VERY common with bootleg live releases.

Another example: Old school anime fan subs.

Back in the early/mid 90s when the US anime industry was almost non-existent there was a huge tape trading scene in the American fan community. These people were true heroes. If there was a show people were dying to see (ie: Gundam) they would spend the $800 on the import laserdiscs for the entire series, find a translator, and made fansubs of the series. They would usually use a nice LD deck, a TelevEyes/Pro, and an Amiga (later, Sub Station Alpha in Windows 95) to make S-VHS "masters" which would then go to regional distributors who would duplicate to standard VHS and bring the stuff to conventions or accept mail order for only the price of the tapes and shipping.

Ok, so its an anarchical-synidcaist utopia, right? Well, the problem is that once these tapes were out there they could be duplicated forever. Meanwhile at the "normal" scifi and comic conventions the bootleggers who roamed those places, and had some of the largest booths, would duplicate the shit with fake covers and charge as much as $40 per tape. They didn't make the show, they didn't translate the show, they just skipped right to the "profit" stage...f*ck those guys.

However, all was not lost. If someone bought one of these tapes the first thing they say when they played it was a message put there by the actual fansubber, layed right over the opening credits, saying, "Hey, this is a fan sub. Not for resale. If you payed for it you got RIPPED OFF. Contact us@ouremail.fan.com for info.!" So even if a guy got the sub this way, there is no reason he should get his next one the same way. This steers him away from the bootlegger sleaze and towards the real fans.

Another example of blatant piracy done right: Garage Kits.

Fans of games, anime, Alien, whatever, like to have model kits of their favorite robots, monsters, skanky ninja, whatever. These days you can't sell jack shit without a license, but often times the official products lack something. Usually this is bottom line related.

This is where the garage kit industry comes in. If you want a model of something, and an official one was never made, some small fan circle may have made one themselves, usually from resin. How do they avoid being sued? Keep the numbers limited and don't directly compete with any real products that might exist.

The biggest modeling franchise in the world is Gundam. Bandai makes a SHITLOAD of official kits, but they have a pretty mainstream market in mind. What if you want a model of an MS that was never made? What if it was made, but it was shitty, or too small, or long out of production? Well, a company like G System, SMS, Vicious Project, Neograde, etc might make it for you instead, unlicensed of course. How do they avoid pissing off Bandai? Well, many times it will be in a weird scale. Most everything Gundam from Bandai is 1/60, 1/100, or 1/144 scale, with a few 1/220 stuff and even smaller for ships and things. The garage kit companies generally avoid these scales as to not compete directly. When they do make something 1/100 these days its usually a conversion kit that requires you buy another model, an official one from Bandai, to get the inner frame and other bits. This way Bandai still gets a sale and they have no right to complain.

If you want the one on the right, you have to buy the one on the left first:



Because of these efforts of politeness its easy to get hundreds of unlicensed Gundam models, and the end result is that the hardcore scene is entirely dependent on the legit and the bootleg. The most impressive Gundam kits ever, at this point, are mostly garage kits now. The "Real EX-S", for example, is the best f*cking thing ever. Bandai could never make something LIKE THIS and thats OK in their book. Being 1/35 scale it takes up an entire corner of your house, it requires a huge amount of skill to build, and it costs $2,225. Everyone wins.

The other important thing about garage kits, and I suggest you follow suit, is to make them all in one limited batch, take preorders, and sell them all out at once. Most garage kits sold at shows in Japan are limited to 200 pieces and once they are gone they are gone.

Lastly, I would HIGHLY suggest you don't do Dynastic Hero, Bonk CD, etc. As fun as it would be to erode the value of the originals, these products did see an official release. Space Fantasy Zone was NEVER released, ANYWHERE. US, Japan, anywhere. Therefore, while your bootleg would still be a bootleg, it wouldn't be competing with anyone's real deal. Make garage kits of Gundam that Bandai never made mainstream versions of, to use an analogy. I think the world at large is more badly in need of playing unreleased games, prototypes, and fan translations than it is of playing Airzonk CD...which sucks anyway.

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Re: Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots
« Reply #209 on: January 29, 2012, 03:28:05 AM »
You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship.
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