MSR *WILL* be finished, come hell or high water... hell more likely.

[meka]

I prefer Golvellious Valley of Doom to any zelda or neutopia game. It's similar with the overhead view, but it has side-scrolling and top-down view scrolling elements to it, if a part 2 would come out like they promised, I would pay silly money for it.

[Arkhan]

I prefer Golvellious Valley of Doom to any zelda or neutopia game. It's similar with the overhead view, but it has side-scrolling and top-down view scrolling elements to it, if a part 2 would come out like they promised, I would pay silly money for it.

nevermind I misread that. Im dumb

[vestcoat]

Going back to the copyright stuff, I'll add my name to those saying Komani could totally sue the pants off Frozen Utopia over Neutopia 3.  Is it likely?  Maybe not, but it's one hell of a risk.

I'm no expert, but I've read a few books, registered a few copyrights, and I took a music business class, and as far as I can tell, you can claim Fair Use, or non-competition, or non-profit or point to your original code or anything you like, but the laws in this country come down to how good your lawyers are and you'll never be able to outspend a big corporation.

Corporations protect their assets.  Period.  Even semi-popular, abondonware video game franchises of questionable worth.  No one worries about being a "laughing stock."  Remember that media companies relentlessly sue the pants off of penniless, bit-torrent-pirating college students left and right, PR be damned.  These days the corporations even go after the publishers, like wikileaks and megaupload and trying to pass laws to hold social networking sites accountable for whatever users post.

Random facts to consider...
* Negative Land was utterly ruined financially for years because they named an album "U2."  They didn't rip off or parody any of U2's music or lyrics.  They tried to justify the title with a prominent picture of the Russian "U2" spy plane on the cover, to no avail.  They got f*cking hosed.
* There was a punk band called Assembly of God.  They released small runs of 7" records on no-name, underground labels. The guys in the band were smart, well-read, educated, and as anti-authority and anti-religious as they come, but when they got a C&D from the church, they didn't try their luck, they changed their name the next week.
* Enix didn't even try to call their games "Dragon Quest" in the Eighties because TSR had a tabletop game of the same name.
* Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro owns tons of old P&P RPG settings and absolutely nobody has even gotten away with publishing any references to them.  Gary Gygax could never again write make write about his Greyhawk setting after being driven from the company.  Designer James M Ward started a little company in later years and had to destroy stock for making a single reference to his old character Drawmij - his name spelled backward!  Heck, fans used to get hosed for even posting material online.

[nodtveidt]

Don't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.

[Arkhan]

Wizards f*ckin ruined D&D so bad.  They're idiots.  They even messed up the games on the PC.

The other thing worth noting is that when you have a trademark/copyright, it's your duty to defend it.  You're obligated to it.

[KingDrool]

Don't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.

That was a joke...right?

[Mishran]

Don't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.

That was a joke...right?

Its missing from the projects section of Frozen Utopia... so perhaps he's not.

[Necromancer]

Don't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.

Well that's.... ghey.

[Mathius]

I wouldn't drop it, Rove. Do what Sunteam suggested and slightly change the name to Newtopia or something similar.

[nodtveidt]

All or nothing, and I won't be intimidated by corporate slimeballs. We can just make a game in the same genre, but have nothing to do with Neutopia at all. Of course, since we already have many other projects to do first, such a thing is shoved so far back in the queue now that there's no point in announcing any new plans.

[KingDrool]

First of all, let me say that I'm really on your side on this and want the game to be made. I'm a huge Neutopia fan, and the thought of playing a third game really gives me a nerd chubby.

However, I don't think it's a "corporate slimeball" thing if they were to say, "Hey Mr. Whoever-the-Hell-You-Are, we own that property and don't want you to make a new game using our copyrighted material as the source." In fact, I think it's perfectly reasonable; especially since they are still most likely making money off it via the Virtual Console and PlayStation Network (and probably the 3DS VC soon as well), so it's not like it's abandonware.

I'm just saying that I don't think they could be considered the bad guys if they were to issue a C&D. Party poopers, yes. Out of line, or "slimeballs", no.

[Arkhan]

I'm just saying that I don't think they could be considered the bad guys if they were to issue a C&D. Party poopers, yes. Out of line, or "slimeballs", no.

They're just doing what they're obligated to do.  You get copyright/trademarks, it's your job to protect whatever it is you registered. 

[RegalSin]

Neutopia was a great and reasonable game. Zelda focused on Conan, type world, while Neutopia focused primarly on Rome/Greece. Their has been tons of Zelda type games, okay. I am just sick of Nintendo. They took everything good and flipped it up. The Zelda games are still great to play, I just do not like

Links hair,
his pants,
Ganon's figure.
The new forces of evils

The next Zelda game should have continued after the Island Dreamy vacation Zelda. Where links finds his lost love "Marina". Instead Nintendo decided to throw her and Zelda out the window and recycle the ending from Zelda:MM With a wedding. Also the whole dog thing is dumb, because of the bunny thing. They try and make Link image all bad arse.

So far I count

Zelda OOT
Zelda LTTP
Zelda 1
Zelda 2
Zelda DIV

Every other Zelda is rehashed mockery in the whole series. The Zelda WW for the GCN had great ideas, but they could have just continued from the GB ( DIV ) and recolored his pants cinnoman brown, and his hair orange with a little more color in his skin. Otherwise Zelda WW was a huge waste of time.

[nodtveidt]

Back on topic now...

Nationwide is still bitching about track 2, because they still haven't gotten it through their heads that track 2 is DATA and not AUDIO. So we're still not even past the glass mastering phase yet. GRR.

[nat]

No I mean Wolfenstein 3D because it is generally credited with creating the genre proper and the basic archetype upon which subsequent titles were based and I agree that zelda was not the best game.

If you really want to get technical about it, id Software's Catacomb 3D series (of which the Wolf 3D engine is based) created the genre a few years before Wolf3D. Like Arkhan said though, it was all done by the same company. Wolf just got lots more exposure since apparently people enjoy killing Nazis over killing orcs and goblins.