MSR *WILL* be finished, come hell or high water... hell more likely.

[vestcoat]

plus that track 1 audio track will effectively go to waste...

NOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 

[esteban]

 

I knew it was too good to be true! 

I am patient, of course. It's all good.

[nodtveidt]

We're no closer than before. Apparently, the discs ended up passing QA just fine (they stopped trying to put it into iTunes... f*cking dipshits, I swear) but now there's a new "issue". I think we're done with these jokers.

[Keranu]

This is the email I got from them:

""Keelan, here is the latest from our replication department.

I'm not sure if this would mean anything to you but here it is...
It seems to be something more than Data/Audio issues


sincerely,
Steve Bennett (filling in for Brian)




> Project is on hold.
>
> Need replacement master. Job makes it through premastering, however when attempting to cut metal it gets the following error:
>
> "0x01030018. No valid description at I:\36351653197-6J-R: MS (00003) - Data Overlap, previous map which ends at 5969 overlaps at 5893.""


Any ideas, OldMan?

[Arkhan]

Describe the entire CD creation and burn process that was used this time. 


This basically sounds like the same error.

[TheOldMan]

Just a guess......

6000 would be the 10 sec mark. The overlap is 1 sec long.
Assuming the 2 sec initial gap, and an 8 sec warning, that puts us at the data track.

Did you set the pregap for the data track to 00:03:00  (ie, 3 seconds).
Don't forget, you have to adjust the other tracks after that, too, so the times are right.

But that's just my guess....

[Arkhan]

Just a guess......

6000 would be the 10 sec mark. The overlap is 1 sec long.
Assuming the 2 sec initial gap, and an 8 sec warning, that puts us at the data track.

Did you set the pregap for the data track to 00:03:00  (ie, 3 seconds).
Don't forget, you have to adjust the other tracks after that, too, so the times are right.

But that's just my guess....

yeah.  I should have specified, that a cue sheet (as part of the steps taken for this current build), is important. 

see if you can coax them into some more specifics on the errors going on.

[nodtveidt]

-Build the ISO with isolink2.
-Mount the ISO solo with Alcohol 120%.
-Rip the ISO to a BIN file with CDRWIN.
-Burn the new disc with Alcohol 120% in DAO/SAO mode at 4X (the lowest my burner goes).

Pretty simple. The data track is configured for a 3 second pregap and a 2 second postgap, as per the standard.

[nodtveidt]

Here's the cuesheet used to burn the disc:

Code: [Select]

FILE track01.wav WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track02.bin BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE1/2352
    PREGAP 00:03:00
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE track03.wav WAVE
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track04.wav WAVE
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track05.wav WAVE
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track06.wav WAVE
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track07.wav WAVE
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track08.wav WAVE
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track09.wav WAVE
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track10.wav WAVE
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track11.wav WAVE
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track12.wav WAVE
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track13.wav WAVE
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track14.wav WAVE
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track15.wav WAVE
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track16.wav WAVE
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track17.wav WAVE
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track18.wav WAVE
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track19.wav WAVE
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track20.wav WAVE
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track21.wav WAVE
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track22.wav WAVE
  TRACK 22 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track23.wav WAVE
  TRACK 23 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track24.wav WAVE
  TRACK 24 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track25.wav WAVE
  TRACK 25 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track26.wav WAVE
  TRACK 26 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track27.wav WAVE
  TRACK 27 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track28.wav WAVE
  TRACK 28 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track29.wav WAVE
  TRACK 29 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
Track 1 is 01:15:57 long.

[Arkhan]

I vote you make a one-off little demo game called Pregap McGee in Legend of the Hidden Overlap.


This should be fixable pretty painlessly.

Have you considered doing the "Stuff it all in one huge file and hand-roll the times" approach?

[nodtveidt]

Just a heads-up... I am seriously considering doing an Xbox 360 remake of this game (yeah, a remake of a remake) but aside from the cutscenes, it would not look anything like the PCE version. A lot of people have been asking for it for awhile now, and now that I actually have a machine to test such a thing on, I might just make it a reality. However, it would get a graphical overhaul, and perhaps even some new areas and side-quests. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks.

Oh... and no new news on the pressing yet. Working with TheOldMan to get the cue automake utility fully working.

[storino03]

First thing would be to get the TG version sorted out to completion (including finalizing and shipping the discs out to customers), and then worry about this Xbox 360 version. Just what I think anyway.

[nodtveidt]

Obviously. I have other things lined up in 360-land first anyway... gonna be doing a vertical cute-em-up with a very unorthodox theme. But I don't have to be concerned with the PCE version 24/7... things happen when they happen, and in the meantime, I've got other things to do. I am not the kind of person to dwell on one particular issue... if it can't be fixed at the moment, worrying about it and doing nothing else is a complete waste of time.

Oh, and another update... there was a problem with the first audio track that was causing the autocue program to have issues. All's fixed on that front now, so we have a new cue file. Just ironing out one final detail.

[storino03]

sweet! hope i didn't come off as being rude. a lot of people tend to take on more than they can do at once and then everything suffers.

[Arkhan]

Obviously. I have other things lined up in 360-land first anyway... gonna be doing a vertical cute-em-up with a very unorthodox theme. But I don't have to be concerned with the PCE version 24/7... things happen when they happen, and in the meantime, I've got other things to do. I am not the kind of person to dwell on one particular issue... if it can't be fixed at the moment, worrying about it and doing nothing else is a complete waste of time.

Oh, and another update... there was a problem with the first audio track that was causing the autocue program to have issues. All's fixed on that front now, so we have a new cue file. Just ironing out one final detail.

yeah, the new cuesheet diddler helps.  lol


Speaking of all of this crap

did you think of asking Nationwide for any sort of semi-refund?  If you paid for some fast turnaround that hasn't happened, you might be able to.