MSR *WILL* be finished, come hell or high water... hell more likely.

[nodtveidt]

Nationwide Disc is NEVER getting our business again.

[vestcoat]

Oh well, we'll get there. I'm sure they won't charge you again to correct their mistake.

Please send the Insanity check disc to me. I have an Atherbyte-to-Frozen-Utopia SCD converter I can test it with.

What's the buzz sound issue?

As far as the name-calling, I understand the frustration, but it seems both parties have made errors and two pages of outrage every time there's a holdup doesn't put anyone in a good mindset when the project calls for patience, troubleshooting, and clear communication.

[nodtveidt]

There should be no troubleshooting to begin with. You put the disc in, copy it, cut the stamper, sent it to the replicator. Should be braindeadf*ckingsimple.

[Keranu]

What's the buzz sound issue?

One of the initial problems Nationwide had with our masters was a short buzz sound that occurred from playing the data track in a CD player. Insanity has a very similar buzz sound when booted up, though coincidentally it had nothing to do with the data track.

As far as the name-calling, I understand the frustration, but it seems both parties have made errors and two pages of outrage every time there's a holdup doesn't put anyone in a good mindset when the project calls for patience, troubleshooting, and clear communication.

I've always been friendly and patient with Brian in our communication and will continue to do so. But this latest incident is a big, goofy f*ck up on their part.

[storino03]

How do they stamp the wrong game? O_o

[TheOldMan]

How do they stamp the wrong game? O_o

Let's all be thankful that it was the check-disc they screwed up.
I can picture them sending you 500 copies of insanity instead of MSR, in the MSR packaging. <sigh>

Nationwide Disc is NEVER getting our business again.

So far, they're the only ones who can make a pce-cd sucessfully, Rover. We may not like it, but we have to deal with it until we find another place that will even try.

There should be no troubleshooting to begin with. You put the disc in, copy it, cut the stamper, sent it to the replicator. Should be braindeadf*ckingsimple.

Not that simple, Rover. The copier, stamper and replicator -all- run checks to make sure things meet cd standards. They have to, or the disc -can't- be labeled a cd, of any kind.

Then there are various problems with the disc the master is made on. Sometimes there are pin-holes in the top layer, some times the dye is uneven, etc, etc. Any one of those, at the speed the presser runs, can totally ruin a complete batch of cd's. And you know Nationwide isn't gonna take that loss...

Things we often think of as 'should be simple' just aren't in real life.

[KingDrool]

This is laughably f*cking ridiculous. It's gotten to the point of being beyond absurd now. My God...

[Black Tiger]

Well, this is as big a confirmation as anything so far, that the main problem all along really is the incompetence of Nationwidedisc and likely not the unique format. Chances are the last batch of masters are perfectly replicable by any outfit with at least half a brain.

After a blunder this disastrous, I think that it would be fair to demand a full refund if they are never successful in replicating a master, as they have proven once and for all that their judgement cannot be trusted.

Let's all be thankful that it was the check-disc they screwed up.
I can picture them sending you 500 copies of insanity instead of MSR, in the MSR packaging. <sigh>

That's the problem though. If they want a disclaimer signed based on a tested disc and they go ahead and instead manufacture some other random disc, this could actually happen.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

I'm not even the least bit surprised at all these issues going on. To be honest, I mean Smartworks themselves had stated they had no ability to, or even any interest in pressing this kind of stuff anymore as is, so seeing so many issues happen now, well, I just expected it. This latest f*ck up though, pretty lame regardless. Just goes to show you that a already difficult task being handled by what seems to be incompetent people at a pressing facility, who have no actual means to test the product on real hardware anyway before shipping, is going to be near impossible to get finished successfully.

[nodtveidt]

So far, they're the only ones who can make a pce-cd sucessfully, Rover. We may not like it, but we have to deal with it until we find another place that will even try.

They're just the only ones who have actually done it in recent times... but that doesn't mean that no one else can. I already have another company picked out for the next production, and they already know that I bring stuff that's non-standard... they just cost about twice as much.

[Black Tiger]

So far, they're the only ones who can make a pce-cd sucessfully, Rover. We may not like it, but we have to deal with it until we find another place that will even try.

They're just the only ones who have actually done it in recent times... but that doesn't mean that no one else can. I already have another company picked out for the next production, and they already know that I bring stuff that's non-standard... they just cost about twice as much.

If they can at least do the check disc first, before printing anything and only charge a premium for that if it doesn't work... then the extra cost would be definitely be worthwhile in the end.

[Keranu]

Just goes to show you that a already difficult task being handled by what seems to be incompetent people at a pressing facility, who have no actual means to test the product on real hardware anyway before shipping, is going to be near impossible to get finished successfully.

One thing that bothers me about this mishap is they could've at least tested the audio tracks to see if they match the master's. Then again, we have pressured them before that this isn't supposed to be treated as a audio CD. Still, a doofus mistake to stamp the wrong game, lol.

I'll email Brian now and let him know what's going on. My main concern right now is if they will still run into stamper errors with the Mysterious Song masters. I hope they've learned more from project Insanity other than they can replicate that game and not ours.

[Mathius]

Unbelievable.

What he said

[ParanoiaDragon]

I just told my wife.  She said "wow, where are these people located?" I said Texas.  She said "And why are they retarded?"

[Duo_R]

I am just glad I donated a few bucks for the most expensive copy of Insanity ever! I just hope Arhkan signs a copy. =)