Steve Jobs is iDead

[DragonmasterDan]

I'm anything but an Apple zealot, but I'll give credit where it's due: there's more to 'em than marketing.  OSX is a fine OS (arguably better than Windows in many respects), much of their hardware is very well designed and easy to use, and price isn't terribly ridiculous as long as you're comparing apples to apples (pun not intended) for of both hardware specs and design.  The only place where Apple really falls down is that they have nothing that competes with entry level desktops/laptops and they offer meager customization options.

From a business standpoint they're a nightmare to support. When I was younger I worked for a video game magazine that ran a nearly entirely Mac environment, getting simple things like shared printing to work were hellish tasks, even with OSX (though this was far worse under mac classic). The biggest problems with Macs are as widely mentioned the high entry level cost, the fact that they are by no means better hardware (back in the day an argument could be made that Power PC at least as an architecture was better than X86, but since the switch to Intel that's not been the case) and you're paying a premium to legally use OSX, which in 2011 has very few advantages over Windows as it has caught up with many of the publishing and multimedia utilities that kept the Macintosh platform alive for so many years.

[_joshuaTurbo]

When I was younger I worked for a video game magazine...........

wait what?

[DragonmasterDan]

wait what?

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

[Arkhan]

I'm anything but an Apple zealot, but I'll give credit where it's due: there's more to 'em than marketing.  OSX is a fine OS (arguably better than Windows in many respects), much of their hardware is very well designed and easy to use, and price isn't terribly ridiculous as long as you're comparing apples to apples (pun not intended) for of both hardware specs and design.  The only place where Apple really falls down is that they have nothing that competes with entry level desktops/laptops and they offer meager customization options.

I despite Apple for many reasons.  I thought they were pretty great until all this iBullshit complete with everything turning shiney white.  It's like an aryan computer race.

My PC cost less than the cheapest Macbook.

The cheapest Macbook can't run WoW on full settings, or FFXIV at all. 

My PC can.  What kind of comparison are we supposed to be doing here?  I am playing FFXIV in glorious 1920x1080 fullscreen on highest settings.  Gogling the comtents.

I hate Apple for reasons along the lines of what Vestcoat said.  They allow the LCD of computer users to think they know stuff.  When I hear someone say "I want a mac, its more versatile than a PC" and I know that person is a complete moron and can't even run a spyware scanner (because I had to de-retard their Windows XP computer multiple times.  Stop clicking Yes to everything on the internet.), I get annoyed.  I know it's just them repeating crap they saw in a commercial or advertisement online.  They don't know dick about computers.

Tons of dipshits running around with glowing Apples, acting like they're all computer engineers because they connected with Steve Jobs on a cosmic level while listening to Arcade Fire in a dark room on their iPod while reading Jobs' quotes on Wikipedia.  Hipsters flock to Apple and repeat all the crap in the commercials.  I've heard countless people do the "it just works" shit.   The one guy in IS at my work is an Appletard and he tries telling people to use OSX for everything.  "If it can't be done in OSX, it shouldn't be done at all".  I pointed out that the software we make is for Windows and asked how that made him feel.

A Mac is not more versatile.  I've yet to find someone tell me something their mac can do that a PC can't.  I don't think I ever will. I'm open to suggestions.

But, a PC can play tons of games, and do all the media design photo video hoojoo music crap OSX can! .  I prefer FruityLoops over the Mac's music program options...  If you have the right know-how, you can use legacy hardware even!  Far more customizable.  You won't see any f*ckin iMac computers with sweet blue LED fans all over the thing.  You COULD use a mac to do stuff like C64/PCE/NES development, but you'll be gooning around with USB to Serial/Parallel cables since the Mac doesn't have those ports and has no other means to getting them.

the plastic Macbook casing is trash also.  I went through 2 batteries in a year with my brandnew Macbook.  The power cable for it broke in under 6 months.  The "Super drive" had to be replaced in 8 months.  I'm glad I drowned that f*cker in Pepsi and sold it broken on eBay for like 800 bucks.  I put the hard drive in my PS3.  Suck on that, Jobs.

Insanity was burned on a 1x SCSI CD Burner.  What's that tell you?  Mac's aren't built to last anymore.  They used to be.  Power Macs were awesome.

and, Windows 7 is the greatest OS I have ever used.  It installs in under 30 minutes and is ready to go the second you boot to the desktop.  That rules.  There are a huge list of awesome things in Windows 7.  Windows 8 on the other hand, that shit is going to suck.  I don't want it.

I used OSX for about 2 years and was underwhelmed by it.  If I want that kind of environment, I'll use Linux.  I used to use Linux w/ a OSX theme and confuse people.  'HOW DID YOU GET OSX ON THAT NEC LAPTOP BRAH? WHATS AN NEC ? IS THAT FOREIGN"  Direct quote from some scarf-wearing-in-90-degree-weather idiot.

It looks sterile.  I can't stand the silvery gunmetal look to it.  The dock is one of the most annoying things on the planet.  The amount of useful software for someone like me can be counted on 2 hands with spare fingers left over. 

oh, and Apple mice are retarded.  The newest one looks like a friggin electric shaver.

Sure, I will recognize that OSX is nice and that it is stable.  It's snappy/responsive (but I sure crashed it constantly.  Just works my ass!)... but it's not really for me.  I need more than it can offer.  Apple wants you to treat your computer like an appliance.  Steve Jobs thought that early on.  He even looked at various household appliances for design ideas for the hardware.  They aren't made for power users.  Development for Apple platforms is irritating too.  Objective C is special ed and XCode is trash on a stick.

PC4Lyfe.  w/ some Linux if I feel like being an extra-douchey douche.

If Apple didn't charge out the ass for their products, I could maybe see myself liking them more.  I get more bang for my buck building my own PCs.  Then, I can blow more money on things that matter, like PCE games and guitars.

[nodtveidt]

The "it just works" shit is something they stole from FreeBSD, which is what OSX is largely based on. FreeBSD just works. OSX just breaks and their hardware is shitty. I don't understand how you can take a nearly-perfect system like FreeBSD and goon it up so f*cking badly.

[DragonmasterDan]

The "it just works" shit is something they stole from FreeBSD, which is what OSX is largely based on. FreeBSD just works. OSX just breaks and their hardware is shitty. I don't understand how you can take a nearly-perfect system like FreeBSD and goon it up so f*cking badly.

See OpenBSD or NetBSD

[Joe Redifer]

I'm not sure where this "OS X breaks" stuff is coming from.  That's clearly user error.  Shared printing is incredibly easy to set up, took me like 10 seconds and it works flawlessly.  As for Macs being more versatile, well, you can run OS X, Linux and Windows all on the same machine (either by direct boot or running multiple OSes simultaneously).  That's a lot harder to accomplish on a Windows machine.  Hackintosh environments aren't the most stable things known to man.  OSX is super cheap compared to Windows and there aren't 1,000 different versions of varied crippled-ness to pick from, but I know most of you likely pirate the software anyway.

As for the hardware, yeah it is easier to change shit out on a self-made non-Mac machine (don't try to tell me that computers built by Dell or whoever are better.  Bullshit.  ALWAYS build your own).  I don't give a rat's ass about laptops.  My Mac Pro can have any of its components changed out, including the processors.

I use OSX because of Final Cut Studio.  There is nothing else that compares in my opinion.  Adobe Premiere is good but it's certainly not as good (though it is about a billion times better than Final Cut Pro X which is just a joke).  But I don't bitch and whine about PCs and Windows like some here like to bitch and whine like babies about Macs.  I know how to use Windows.  I have nothing against it.  I don't even run any virus software on my Windows machines and I have never gotten a virus.  It's all about common sense where you go what what you download.  I think you guys must be jealous that Apple has so much money or something.  If you truly didn't care about Apple, you'd just brush it off with something like "Who cares?  I don't need that shit".  But instead Apple has hurt you.  And like a wounded dog you make a lot of noise, but nobody will come to help you.  So the lowest Mac laptop won't run shitty games like WoW at full settings... so don't buy one!  Why are you bitching about it if you didn't buy one?

I can understand any hatred for the "Apple culture".  The Apple commercials reek of elitism.  I hate that, too.  If I had a laptop and was forced to use it in a shitty place like Starbucks, I'd put electrical tape over that damn Apple logo because I wouldn't want to be one of those douches.  But this doesn't mean that everyone who owns or uses an Apple product is a douche.  Steve Jobs turned the company around from certain disaster and his abilities to be commended.  Nobody is saying that you need to like Apple or their products, but it was impressive from a business point of view.

[DragonmasterDan]

I'm not sure where this "OS X breaks" stuff is coming from.  That's clearly user error.  Shared printing is incredibly easy to set up, took me like 10 seconds and it works flawlessly.  As for Macs being more versatile, well, you can run OS X, Linux and Windows all on the same machine (either by direct boot or running multiple OSes simultaneously).  That's a lot harder to accomplish on a Windows machine.  Hackintosh environments aren't the most stable things known to man.  OSX is super cheap compared to Windows and there aren't 1,000 different versions of varied crippled-ness to pick from, but I know most of you likely pirate the software anyway.

I'll answer the first part. OSX breaks when you try running X-windows programs on it, at least it did up to OSX 10.4 or so which was the last version I was using. OSX has a Unix backbone but isn't very usable for someone who is really into using flavors of Unix (FreeBSD, Solaris even Linux).

As for the hardware, yeah it is easier to change shit out on a self-made non-Mac machine (don't try to tell me that computers built by Dell or whoever are better.  Bullshit.  ALWAYS build your own).  I don't give a rat's ass about laptops.  My Mac Pro can have any of its components changed out, including the processors.

I use OSX because of Final Cut Studio.  There is nothing else that compares in my opinion.  Adobe Premiere is good but it's certainly not as good (though it is about a billion times better than Final Cut Pro X which is just a joke).  But I don't bitch and whine about PCs and Windows like some here like to bitch and whine like babies about Macs.  I know how to use Windows.  I have nothing against it.  I don't even run any virus software on my Windows machines and I have never gotten a virus.  It's all about common sense where you go what what you download.  I think you guys must be jealous that Apple has so much money or something.  If you truly didn't care about Apple, you'd just brush it off with something like "Who cares?  I don't need that shit".  But instead Apple has hurt you.  And like a wounded dog you make a lot of noise, but nobody will come to help you.  So the lowest Mac laptop won't run shitty games like WoW at full settings... so don't buy one!  Why are you bitching about it if you didn't buy one?

Also it depends on why people dislike Apple. My three biggest problems with Apple are the lack of enterprise applications, the significant price difference from comparable hardware and what we'll get to in the next paragraph. For things like multimedia and publishing they're still a bit better than PCs if you're willing to spend the money. It's just that very few people are, and many people are upset to buy a Macintosh at a huge premium over a PC only to find it's not capable, even when using bootstrap loader and Windows of doing the same tasks as a cheaper PC.

I can understand any hatred for the "Apple culture".  The Apple commercials reek of elitism.  I hate that, too.  If I had a laptop and was forced to use it in a shitty place like Starbucks, I'd put electrical tape over that damn Apple logo because I wouldn't want to be one of those douches.  But this doesn't mean that everyone who owns or uses an Apple product is a douche.  Steve Jobs turned the company around from certain disaster and his abilities to be commended.  Nobody is saying that you need to like Apple or their products, but it was impressive from a business point of view.

This is most peoples biggest problem with Apple, it's not just the culture of elitism among diehards. It's the fact that to many of their diehards Apple is not a computer, phone and portable media player vendor, it's a social movement bordering on a religion.

[Arkhan]

Why are you bitching about it if you didn't buy one?

the plastic Macbook casing is trash also.  I went through 2 batteries in a year with my brandnew Macbook.  The power cable for it broke in under 6 months.  The "Super drive" had to be replaced in 8 months.  I'm glad I drowned that f*cker in Pepsi and sold it broken on eBay for like 800 bucks.  I put the hard drive in my PS3.  Suck on that, Jobs.

I try every computer platform and every operating system before making bold, hate-filled remarks about them.  Don't knock it til you try it, .  I tried it.  I loled.

There was no user error while using my Macbook and sitting waiting for the pinwheel to stop spinning before I got bored and rebooted it.  Systems crash.  There is no such thing as a system that doesn't crash.  My Windows machines crash less than my Mac machine did.  A macbook with a C2D shouldn't crash/screw up while doing trivial shit like running a few emulators and programming stuff in XCode.   But, it did.  The f*cker bottomed out daily while using Paralolz to try and do Windows-only things while still enjoying my justworksOSX.  What a trainwreck.

Why would you honestly want to run OSX if you have an IBM compatible that can run Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows.  The hell are you going to do on OSX that you cant do there besides Final Cut Studio?  Isn't that crap like 1000$ new?  If that's your thing, cool.

That seems to be what Macs do.  Video/Film crap.  I hate that shit, so it's no wonder I hate Macs.

I'm not really jealous about their money.  That's a stupid reason to not like someone.  I mean, I hate the white trash in trailer parks on the way downtown, and they're poor as f*ck.

I use VMWare here to run some Linux VMs to do some retarded open-source related shit.  Past that I have never seen a purpose for running two OSes at once.  What is the point?  Someone has to have a good answer. 

also, I don't pirate Windows.  I get it for free from school.  \o/

GIVE ME DOS OR GIVE ME DEATH.

[Joe Redifer]

I hate this. I hate that.  You sure use the word "hate" a lot.  You just need somebody to love.

[Arkhan]

I can hate whatever I want.  If I don't like it, I hate it.



What's funny is, I love the Apple II.  That thing rules.  Anything from the Apple II line was pretty awesome. 

[Joe Redifer]

Nothing is mediocre?  Nothing is worth indifference towards?  Not even the Game Gear?

[Arkhan]

I can't be indifferent towards something that breeds douches that float around my school repeating commercials and sipping on Starbucks.  The only solution is rage.

[Joe Redifer]

LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.  Those guys would be douches without Apple or even Starbucks.  Those types of douches latch on to Apple products.  Apple does not create douches. I thought you were smarter than this.  They latch onto something like Apple because it gives them an identity which they clearly don't have becuase they suck as individuals.  If not for Apple, they'd latch onto something else like Unix or TurboGrafx-16.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

He's what I think of when I think of Apple.
When I think of Steve Jobs, I think of turtlenecks, douchebags, and stupid hardware that should be thrown against a wall.

Funny you should say that, reminded me of something. Every time I think of Commodore, I think of this: