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Arkhan

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2011, 03:30:36 PM »
LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.  Those guys would be douches without Apple or even Starbucks.  Those types of douches latch on to Apple products.  Apple does not create douches. I thought you were smarter than this.  They latch onto something like Apple because it gives them an identity which they clearly don't have becuase they suck as individuals.  If not for Apple, they'd latch onto something else like Unix or TurboGrafx-16.

Oh you misunderstand.  If they were latched onto something like that, it wouldn't have a glowing Apple, it wouldn't be all over my Computer science classrooms, pissing me off constantly, and I wouldn't have to hear stupid ass commercials repeated constantly! :).  It breeds douches means, it feeds the idiots crap to repeat like mindless drones in order to spread the word about the product.

Plus Unix latcher-onners are socially retarded and can be shutup by simply telling them shut the f*ck up, or by beating them with their fannypacks.  If they were latched onto a retro console, there would be no hipster marketing bullshit to repeat constantly.  Apple is socially current.  It's happening now.  there is no TurboPhone, no PCEPa... oh wait. bad example...

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and, lol, Jim Butterfield.  As hokey as that shit right there is, at least Butterfield knew his shit!
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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2011, 05:34:10 PM »
LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.  Those guys would be douches without Apple or even Starbucks.  Those types of douches latch on to Apple products.  Apple does not create douches. I thought you were smarter than this.  They latch onto something like Apple because it gives them an identity which they clearly don't have becuase they suck as individuals.  If not for Apple, they'd latch onto something else like Unix or TurboGrafx-16.

Exactly my point.  Apple is exploiting the lowest common denominator in society.  So many people believe these products are great, because they were told they were great so many times.

It's the reason the Tea Party is successful, just like Triumph of the Will pumped up a nation a long time ago.  People like to get pumped up and follow the masses.  If you are not with the masses, you are generally considered weird.  "What's that Sansa MP3 player?  It must suck."

We are on a TG16 fan site...  if anything, our system's death has a lot to do with this group think mentality.  Apple is the latest in line, there have been many before, and there will be many if the future.

Remember when Starter jackets costs $150 because they were the best?  Now North Face cost $200 because they are the best.  Are either of these things actually the best?

The majority of what we spend money on as American's is advertising.  When you buy a product, how come companies only make 20% margins on something that cost $3 to make and they sell for $80 (here's looking at you Nike, another great example).  It is because even though their slave laborers make $1 a week to make the shoes, it costs them $50 a pair to market.

Long rant, maybe got off point...  but anyway, Apple is overrated hardware, period.

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2011, 05:36:19 PM »
Apple convinces dumbasses that they know how to operate a computer as good as programmers/engineers.
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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2011, 05:50:06 PM »
If anyone actually thinks that because they own an Apple, they have far, far bigger problems in life.

Anyway, Macs aren't tremendously popular.  You see a lot of their laptops, but that is about it.  They have less than 5% of the market I think.  The average "Apple user" is an iPhone or iPad-totin' fool.  I have an iPod Touch and I do think it is cool, but I don't think I am cool because of it.  I do not like how the device is closed in the sense that you cannot move things off of it.  That is why I have apps like Pod to Mac and iPhone Explorer (there are also PC versions) which let me treat the thing like a USB drive like it should be.  I have pointed this out to Apple people in Cupertino or wherever the hell they are when we were screen sharing.  The guy was trying to get me to press certain things in iTunes that would, of course, delete everything on my iPod.  I didn't fall for it.  He kept insisting that I use iTunes to sync my shit.  Screw that!

Anyway, my point is that as afraid of Apple as everyone is, you have nothing to fear from them.  Your trusty, cheap-as-dirt PC is in no danger of going away.  But I think the Mac Pro market is.  I think Apple wants to dumb down their target audience, get away from professional users (ie people who actually use their computers to create stuff for their livlihood) and only appeal to grandmas who surf the net.  At least that was where it was headed with Jobs behind the wheel.
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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2011, 12:10:45 AM »
Yeah a co-worker of mine forked out about $8k for his mac desktop!  I looked at the specs on it and it's some insane shit!  I priced it out in PC parts that would equal what he just spent.  It was actually $3k cheaper.  He stands by the fact that it's made better and the two 27" mac monitors he has are better displays, but holy f*ck it's $8k.  He does a shit ton of freelance though and wrote the $8k mac off as a business expense.  So, he said that paid for a good bit of it.  He wanted a machine that could last him at least 4 years.

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2011, 01:43:44 AM »
I dont think any mac manufactured 4 years ago can run OSX Lion today ...

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2011, 02:19:04 AM »
Oh he just built the thing before Tax season.  it's some 6 core intel desktop workstation. 

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2011, 02:37:59 AM »
Im not really afraid of Apple.  It's more like extremely frigging annoyed by them.  Maybe once I finish my masters up (in 1 or 2 semesters!) and I am no longer on a college campus full of dingbats with Macbook air/pro's, I will be less annoyed.  Every day on campus is like an iPod commercial.  They might as well all be black silhouettes, flailing around in the halls.

He wanted a machine that could last him at least 4 years.

Then why did he buy a Mac?
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2011, 02:41:14 AM »
A Mac is not more versatile.  I've yet to find someone tell me something their mac can do that a PC can't.  I don't think I ever will. I'm open to suggestions.

I've yet to find a Windows laptop that handles multi-touch gestures on the touchpad in a competent manner.  They say that they're multi-touch, but, oh man, are they ever awful.  I also haven't found a good solution in Windows for having multiple workspaces/desktops (although Linux handles this beautifully).

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2011, 03:04:54 AM »
Who needs multitouch gestures when you have a right mouse button? :)

Theres a few options for multi workspacing (I've used Crystal Desktop).

There is also some dock nonsense that mimics OSX.  I think it was called Stardock.  I forget, since docks serve no purpose for me.

[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2011, 03:28:12 AM »
Who needs multitouch gestures when you have a right mouse button? :)
I would honestly only use them for window management (three finger swipe up for Expose, three finger swipe down for show Desktop, etc).  The "pinch" gestures are so incredibly unintuitive to me, so I don't mind losing them at all.

Theres a few options for multi workspacing (I've used Crystal Desktop).
I haven't tried that one, but the handful that I did try all seem to work minimizing/restoring windows as you switch desktops.  It always ends up being buggy.  Either the windows don't show up properly, or if they do the wrong program has focus.  Maybe this one is better, but all that I've tried has been so hacky that I don't care to try anymore.  I'm using Win7's keyboard shortcuts and two monitors to handle things, and it's working well enough.

There is also some dock nonsense that mimics OSX.  I think it was called Stardock.  I forget, since docks serve no purpose for me.

Stardock is the company, Objectdock is the product.  I agree that the dock is totally useless.  Of course, I'm a guy who always sets the taskbar to auto-hide, so maybe I'm a bit biased.  Stardock makes quality software, though.  I use Fences on just about every Windows installation that I have.

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2011, 03:36:44 AM »
Im not really afraid of Apple.  It's more like extremely frigging annoyed by them.  Maybe once I finish my masters up (in 1 or 2 semesters!) and I am no longer on a college campus full of dingbats with Macbook air/pro's, I will be less annoyed.  Every day on campus is like an iPod commercial.  They might as well all be black silhouettes, flailing around in the halls.

He wanted a machine that could last him at least 4 years.

Then why did he buy a Mac?

Do a lot of freelance graphic design and video editing and you'll know why.

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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2011, 03:52:25 AM »
Do a lot of freelance graphic design and video editing and you'll know why.

but I thought he wanted it to last for 4 years.

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I would honestly only use them for window management (three finger swipe up for Expose, three finger swipe down for show Desktop, etc).  The "pinch" gestures are so incredibly unintuitive to me, so I don't mind losing them at all.
I use keyboard shortcuts where I can.  Mac keyboard shortcuts annoyed me.  Mostly because that swirly thing that I call "The Akalabeth Town" is goony.  It was used as the town icon in Akalabeth, so that's what it is to me.  It shouldn't be on my keyboard!

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I haven't tried that one, but the handful that I did try all seem to work minimizing/restoring windows as you switch desktops.  It always ends up being buggy.  Either the windows don't show up properly, or if they do the wrong program has focus.  Maybe this one is better, but all that I've tried has been so hacky that I don't care to try anymore.  I'm using Win7's keyboard shortcuts and two monitors to handle things, and it's working well enough.
I've been doing the same and like it. But Crystal Desktop didn't suck when I used it.  The other one did.  I forget it's name, since it sucked.  

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Stardock is the company, Objectdock is the product.  I agree that the dock is totally useless.  Of course, I'm a guy who always sets the taskbar to auto-hide, so maybe I'm a bit biased.  Stardock makes quality software, though.  I use Fences on just about every Windows installation that I have.
Stardock definitely makes nice stuff, but it's mostly stuff I have no use for. :)

It's funny though that most of the things on a mac that make it "different", can be done on a PC because someone made the software for it.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Steve Jobs is iDead
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2011, 05:44:35 AM »
I dont think any mac manufactured 4 years ago can run OSX Lion today ...

LOLOLOL my Mac Pro is from 2006 and it runs OS X like a boss.  It's still faster than many of the models released today.  Yeah, the video card it came with is ancient, but I swapped that out with an ATI Radeon 5770 or some such shit a while ago.  I tried Lion on it and it worked fine, but I felt it was a rather shitty OS compared to Snow Leopard so I moved back.

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« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2011, 05:56:17 AM »
I dont think any mac manufactured 4 years ago can run OSX Lion today ...

LOLOLOL my Mac Pro is from 2006 and it runs OS X like a boss.  It's still faster than many of the models released today.  Yeah, the video card it came with is ancient, but I swapped that out with an ATI Radeon 5770 or some such shit a while ago.  I tried Lion on it and it worked fine, but I felt it was a rather shitty OS compared to Snow Leopard so I moved back.

Youre forgetting the average mac user can't even open a pack of gum, let alone a computer.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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