Steve Jobs is iDead

[nodtveidt]

I think it's because it tends to show a lack of humanitarianism. A person who makes a shitload of money and sits on their wealth is only interested in their own selfish desires and doesn't give a rat's ass about their fellow humans. One might argue that his products helped others, but it wasn't altruistic in nature and therefore it wasn't as "worthy" as someone who does "something for nothing". I have no opinion on this either way so I'm not making a judgment, just outlining the way I'm interpreting the various viewpoints.

[Arkhan]

A self centered guy like Jobs would've probably made a spectacle about his donation.  He likes everyone to see what great thing he is doing so he can stand there with that smug grin on his face and take in the applause and religious-caliber worship.

He'd call it iCharity and tell everyone they need to do the same thing.  There'd be an app for that.

The guy has about as many dick-moves as he does great "inventions" (read: recycled crap).  He started off by screwing people over.  then there is the whole kid thing. 

I could care less if he donated or not, but I see the point of why it was mentioned.  Maybe they're running a bit too far with it, but I see what they're getting at.  I sure hope a rich prick like Jobs donated money to something useful at some point in his career.  Wozniak did.  Maybe Jobs just figured "hey, Woz already did it for me, so I'm good to go!", and suited up for another turtleneck filled day at Apple.

Even if he did donate to charity, he'd still be a polesmoker in my book.

[geise]

Why do you care?  He's dead.  Let others still worship him if they want too, it sure doesn't bother me.  They can buy Mac's all they want as it probably suits their form over function needs.  Not everyone knows what you know about computers.  They most likely never will.  That's where these companies make their "business".  I don't like Jobs but I have to  him for the business sense.  He obviously did something right if he's pissing off a PC user so well.  Most Mac users could care less about using it as a gaming machine.  They just want to buy a computer, turn it on, then do whatever they want without having to install extra stuff.  That was the whole point of a mac.  An easy to use computer out of the box.  I think their great well built machines that (yes) are overpriced.  They still are nice, but I don't own one cause I need more than what a Mac offers.

[Necromancer]

My friend just bought a new $2000 Mac because he couldn't upgrade to Pro Tools 9 on his $2000 G5.  When I asked why not, he said, "because PT9 requires the new OS and the new OS isn't compatible with my processor."  I said "why don't you just upgrade your processor, it's really easy."  He said, "I can't.  It's a Mac."

Whether or not he could upgrade the CPU is irrelevant (where would one even buy a PowerPC CPU?), as Pro Tools 9 is built for x86 processors.  Those that bought the last PowerPC systems kinda got screwed on the update path, but at least Apple made PowerPC versions of OSX for a couple releases.  Would MS do the same thing?  I doubt it; they still support all-but-dead IA-64, but enterprise stuff is kinda apples and oranges.

In any case, it's a five or six year old computer; try upgrading a PC of similar vintage and you'll find that it's just not worth it (the best LGA775 processors are three years old, and it's even worse if it's entirely hopeless if it's a 478).  Sure you could upgrade the mobo on the PC, but the hdd, memory, and video card are also slow and outdated; change it all out and you end up saving the case, dvd drive, and maybe the power supply.  Big f*cking deal.


As for donations, who the f*ck cares?  I don't know if Jobs personally opened his wallet to lend a hand, but I know that Apple has donated millions to one of the AIDS groups and recently started a donation matching program for its employees; and while it wasn't money directly out of Jobs's pocket, the bulk of his wealth was in company stock and therefor it did affect his bottom line.  Besides, his biggest charity was obvious - look at all the kids in China that have jobs thanks to Jobs!

[Arkhan]

Why do you care?  He's dead.  Let others still worship him if they want too, it sure doesn't bother me. 

Try going to a college campus full of hipster mactards.  You will change your tune very quickly.  Some professors (who use Macs for lecture power point nonsense) cancelled classes for the week.  Give me a break.  I remember when Snow Leopard came out "YO BRAH, YOU GONNA UPGRADE YOUR MAC? IM SO STOKED.  WERE ALL GONNA GO DOWN TO ELEMENTS AND UPGRADE".  FFS.

Elements is a sweet cafe on Euclid Ave.  Get it? Euclid's Elements? mathnerd ftw.  lol.

I had a few doofs in my one programming class that were sitting with Ubuntu on their MBP's, talking about how they downloaded stuff at "4megs a second because Macs are better at the internet".

4mb/second downloads aren't even possible on our campus WiFi.  I think they downloaded <4mb files, and it happened really fast and the calculation in FireFox didn't really get started right.  lol

He obviously did something right if he's pissing off a PC user so well.

Macs are PCs.  Stop that.  And, that's part of the problem.  Jobs' marketing scheme was designed to attack and annoy.  IF YOURE NOT WITH US, YOURE A LOSER.  That sort of thing.  That's dumb marketing.  Then again, most people are dumb.  If your marketing requires you to make the person feel uncool until they're a part of it, your product probably sucks.  You notice how the ads never talk about the power/performance?  It's all fluffy stuff.
 

Most Mac users could care less about using it as a gaming machine. 
 

Sucks to be them.  I remember when Macs had games.  My old-ass Mac has Wolf3D, Starcraft, Warcraft, and some other stuff.  What happened?
 

They just want to buy a computer, turn it on, then do whatever they want without having to install extra stuff.  That was the whole point of a mac.  An easy to use computer out of the box.  I think their great well built machines that (yes) are overpriced.  They still are nice, but I don't own one cause I need more than what a Mac offers.

You can do that with a Windows machine too, it just doesn't come with the cult experience that makes you feel like you're doing something special and revolutionary by buying one.  A fresh install of Windows 7 results in lots of magical computer adventures for everyone.

the only thing I liked about Macs is the packaging.  They also smell really nice when they're new. 

[vestcoat]

The G5 may have been $2000 when he bought it, but that's like saying you replaced your $25,000 car with another $25,000 car therefore "f*ck that".  Or maybe that you replaced your $100 graphics card with another $100 graphics card, therefore f*ck that.  That argument doesn't hold a lot of weight.  He's obviously willing to pay the price. Does he deserve to be berated for it?  No.  It's his money and he can buy what he wants.  You see, the mindset of an average Apple user may be douchey, but the average mindset of a PC user (from what I've seen on the internet) certainly isn't better.  Arkhan comes off as a foul human being with his rants.  And similar diatribe doesn't really help anything.  Let people spend money on what they want.  Who gives a f*ck?  You're no better than they are. 

My first computer was a Mac back in '94 and there's still a lot of things I like about them.  They're user friendly, stable, and you don't have to slow them down running a bunch of anti-virus stuff.  Every time I see someone wait ten minutes for their five-year-old, infected Dell laptop to boot and download Vistas updates I shake my head and think "damn, this guy needs to buy a Mac!"  For a lot of people, especially people with money to throw around, they're perfectly good computers.  On the other hand, there are people like my ex-roommate, whose friend convinced him to buy a $1500 Mac Book Pro:  he uses it to surf the net and listen to CDs and wonders why he doesn't have a "good typing program."  He could have done fine with $200 netbook.   

Personally, I like getting under the hood and wrenching on PCs.  Also, the limited upgrade potential on Macs (AND Dells and other brands) is one step closer to the planned obsolescence than I'm comfortable with.

Anyway, don't get so bent out of shape about Arkan's comments.  Unlike the average troll, he has both valid objections and humor underneath all of that bluster.

[Joe Redifer]

I can understand people liking to tinker and the such with their own self-built computers.  I have a self-built computer myself but it is pretty old.  I originally built it to run projectors in movie theaters back in the late 90's.  It had Windows 2000.  It is now my home computer and I have done a few upgrades on it and now it is Windows XP SP2 or 3.  I don't want to game on it and I use it mainly for audio recording because it has a fantastic full duplex Yamaha sound card (though no digital inputs).  It's also a fantastic machine to surf for porn on.  No viruses and no virus protection. 

Most Mac users could care less about using it as a gaming machine.

Very true. I have game consoles for that.  Games on computers rarely appeal to me.  Granted I do have Steam and downloaded Portal 1 and 2 since they were free.  They can be run on full resolution, max settings on my 5 year old Mac Pro.  It's pretty cool to play but I usually am using the computer for other reasons.  Also, Steam is intrusive and I had to disable it from starting up every time my computer boots.

Will my next computer be a Mac?  Well that depends on the direction they take.  This 64-bit, 5 year old computer still has at least 2 or 3 good years left on it.  If Apple goes the direction where I think Steve Jobs wanted to take it, hell no, I will build a PC and go touch-screen crazy with the absolutely fabulous Windows 8.  Oh wait, it is not absolutely fabulous, but oh well.  Once Apple ruins their pro apps, there would be no reason for me to stick with them.

[_joshuaTurbo]

good read-

http://www.oudaily.com/news/2011/oct/13/column-grieving-steve-jobs-becoming-overdone/

[Arkhan]

Damn straight its a good read!

BILL GATES IS THE REAL MESSIAH.

I think he is a cyborg.

[_joshuaTurbo]

Damn straight its a good read!

BILL GATES IS THE REAL MESSIAH.

I think he is a cylon.

 

[Necromancer]

Damn straight its a good read!

BILL GATES IS THE REAL MESSIAH.

I think he is a cyberman.

 

[Joe Redifer]

Yeah, Bill Gates has probably done more for the world.  But mourning even his death would be a bucket full of hypocrisy for the OWS protesters which supposedly represent 99% of all the USA.

[Arkhan]

nah its only hypocrisy if you mourn one tool and hate on mourning another.

Bill Gates isn't a tool.

[Joe Redifer]

I wouldn't call Jobs a tool, either.  f*cker definitely knew what he was doing, even if it did make him an a$$hole.  But the hypocrisy is that they are mourning mega-capitalists and protesting for the US to become more communist/less capitalist at the same time.

OK, now let's get down to the nitty-gritty.  I want an honest answer here.  Approximately how much would it cost me to build the following Windows machine with these specs:

-Two 2.93 Ghz 6-core processors (or better)
-8 GB DDR3 ECC SDRAM (or better)
-At least 1 TB hard drive.
-ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB (or better)
-Phuggin' wicked-ass sound card (full duplex with digital in and out... can be on motherboard)
-DVD or Blu-ray burner
-Case
-Power supply
-Internal LED lights that let everyone know I am a class-A douche
-Mouse
-Keyboard
-Appropriate motherboard, CPU fans/heat sink, etc
-Windows 7 64-bit (not the shitty home version, the full thing)

Guesstimate price?

[roflmao]

OK, now let's get down to the nitty-gritty.  I want an honest answer here.  Approximately how much would it cost me to build the following Windows machine with these specs:

-Two 2.93 Ghz 6-core processors (or better)
-8 GB DDR3 ECC SDRAM (or better)
-At least 1 TB hard drive.
-ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB (or better)
-Phuggin' wicked-ass sound card (full duplex with digital in and out... can be on motherboard)
-DVD or Blu-ray burner
-Case
-Power supply
-Internal LED lights that let everyone know I am a class-A douche
-Mouse
-Keyboard
-Appropriate motherboard, CPU fans/heat sink, etc
-Windows 7 64-bit (not the shitty home version, the full thing)

Guesstimate price?

Just last week I built almost that exact same setup (only had one 3ghz 6-core processor and used an onboard video - ATI 4250) and it came out to about $550.  The 5770 goes for $100 (after rebate) at newegg.  So I would guess you'd be looking at maybe $850-$950 to build that machine?  I'm not going to go through the trouble of researching it, but add $100 for a video card, maybe $150 for a motherboard than can support 2 physical cpus (I think I'm overestimating there) and $160 for the extra cpu.  Round it up to a grand to be safe.