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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2011, 09:58:12 AM »
I don't think I need any HuCard sleeves, but, for some bizarre reason, I want to buy new sleeves.

I do have some horribly yellowed sleeves that could be replaced...



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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2011, 10:37:16 AM »
I just bought 2 packs.  I bought some of those Chinese jobs a while back, and they're sticking to the paint on the HuCards.  So that's no good.

Chris



Are you talking about the credit card sleeves that were being sold on Ebay a while ago. I bought like 60 of them for 6.00 and have been using them on my trade games as well as my cheap loose games.

These are different and better.  Read my comments above.

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2011, 05:34:13 PM »
This guy's sleeves are top of the line. Indistinguishable from the "real" thing at a glance.

I bought 10 of them a bunch of weeks back through eBay, but I need some more. Unfortunately, I don't need 25 more. I should probably have just waited.

Oh, well. Free endorsement.

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2011, 05:45:46 PM »
As soon as you are ready to ship to Canada I would like to place an order.

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2011, 02:24:57 AM »
I bought 10 of them a bunch of weeks back through eBay, but I need some more. Unfortunately, I don't need 25 more. I should probably have just waited.

I'll split some with you.  I could use a few to replace some skanky looking ones (games bought new yet the sleeves look like they've been owned by a two-pack-a-day guy), but I don't need 25.
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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2011, 02:46:02 AM »
As soon as you are ready to ship to Canada I would like to place an order.
Make sure your e-mail account's spam filter won't block Thread Update Notification E-Mails from these forums, subscribe to this thread, and you'll know when that'll happen, without having to go to my site every day. ;)

Once I have a couple more product lines going, I plan to set up a newsletter; ie: learn how to. XD

Anyway, the 25-Pack Boxes are going to be delayed, for a few days, because my box maker has tons of orders to fill, and it is, apparently, the most popular custom box type that they sell.

The current estimate (from the box guy) is any day this week, before Saturday.
I'll let ya'll know when I actually do get em.

On a semi-related note...
As I was writing this post, the city inspector came by and, well, Inspected my new electric heater.
I had it installed last month.
This place used to have a Gas Heater, Stove, and Water Heater, but I changed them all to Electric for you guys.
I also removed all the Gas Pipes in the building in the summer, (after the Gas company came out and turned off the gas @_@) and capped em off.
I was worried that the smell they add to Natural Gas would get in my products, and didn't want that to happen.
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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2011, 02:49:04 PM »
I bought 10 of them a bunch of weeks back through eBay, but I need some more. Unfortunately, I don't need 25 more. I should probably have just waited.

I'll split some with you.  I could use a few to replace some skanky looking ones (games bought new yet the sleeves look like they've been owned by a two-pack-a-day guy), but I don't need 25.

Sounds good.

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2011, 01:29:29 PM »
The Boxes have arrived!  :dance:



I have the 25-Packs of HuCard Sleeves up for sale on My Website,
at the new low prices, for people in the contiguous 48 states.

I'm going to be working through the night, filling these boxes with Sleeves,
and I'll start shipping out the orders tomorrow.  8)

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2011, 03:24:38 PM »
Thanks Seymor! These look great and very professional.  You have proven you are very serious about presentation here.  I will be placing another order in a few days and I updated the top of the page. Quick thing these guys will notice right away is the future HuCard Trays (for CD cases) you plan to sell.   Got any pictures of the prototypes? Description?  I know all of us here will eat those up.
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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2011, 04:32:48 PM »
Thanks Seymor! These look great and very professional.  You have proven you are very serious about presentation here.  I will be placing another order in a few days and I updated the top of the page. Quick thing these guys will notice right away is the future HuCard Trays (for CD cases) you plan to sell. Got any pictures of the prototypes? Description?  I know all of us here will eat those up.
I don't have any pictures of the prototypes for the HuCard trays just yet, but I can describe them.

The idea is to make a tray that will accommodate HuCards, and be designed to fit in any standard-sized single CD Jewel Case.
It will look very similar to a CD Tray, except that the center of the tray will have the four curved "L's" found in standard HuCard Trays, and a tab that will hold the card in place.

The design of the tab that holds the HuCard itself is not final yet, but I'm thinking about doing something similar to those tabs found in PS2 Game Cases, that hold the manual in place.
Whatever tab design I go with, will have to be short enough to not mess up, or obstruct, HuCard Manuals, and I also hope to position it in such a way, so that you can use it with an Arcade Card as well.

The Arcade Card is the one with the thicker part/lump, that's opposite the metal contacts, right?
Anyway, are there any other HuCards that have thick lumps on them?
I'm going to need to buy any weird, lumpy, HuCards I currently don't own, later on down the line, so I can test em' out, when it comes to the actual prototyping phase.
Any suggestions on what Lumply HuCards I need to put on my list, would be most helpful. :)

I need to sell roughly 120,000 HuCard Sleeves, in order to be able to raise enough funds to get the trays made, so it may take a while.
That's roughly 4,800 of the 25-Packs.  :-s
I'm hoping that opening up sales to other countries (once I sell out of this first run) will help me reach that goal pretty fast, but I won't know until I try.

In the meantime, Sparky might want to spend some of his free time prototyping Rear Tray Inserts for every HuCard ever made,
so he'll be ready to print and sell em once I'm able to get the new trays made.
I wouldn't recommend he print them out en mass though, at least, not just yet, but instead wait until I'm able to get the trays made, as 120,000 sleeves are A LOT OF SLEEVES to sell...  :shock:

I'll send him some pre-production samples of the trays for free, if he wants, once I get that far along, so he can test em out with his Rear Tray Artwork, if he decides to make it.
Once I have the pre-production samples in my hands, it will take at least two weeks for the trays to be mass produced. Probably longer.
It depends on how many I have to order, to achieve the quantity-discount sweet-spot.
I estimate that to be somewhere between 30,000 and 100,000 trays for the first run, including the mold cost.

The mold will cost anywhere from $15,000 USD to $ 100,000 USD, depending on multiple factors.
Ideally, I'd like the Mold Cost to work out to be one cent or less, when you divide it by the # of trays I make on the first run.
And, of course, I need to make sure the per-unit cost of the trays is as low as possible.
It's a tricky balancing act, especially since, like the Sleeves, I'm going to have the trays Made in America as well.

Actually, there's a local Injection Molding Plastics company here in Texas, about a 45 minute drive from my home, that I'm probably going to go with.
I've spoken with them a number of times, and showed them my sketches, and they seem confident that they'll be able to make them, no problem.
I only have rough estimates on prices to go by at this point though, and they are subject to change.
The mold itself will consist of two (or more) huge blocks of metal, and as you know, when you are dealing with that much metal, it's cost is determined by two main factors.
What metal it is, and what it's market value is.
Also, the metal I choose will determine how long it will last / how many trays I can make, before it wears out; it's another thing I have to take into consideration...

On a lighter note, I re-tasked my old PC Speakers, and have them throughout my warehouse, playing internet radio while I work.
What can I say...? It helps to keep me sane.   :mrgreen:

Lately I've been listening to either Anime NFO or Japan-A-Radio.
Somehow, it seems to set the right mood, as I work on the vintage gaming stuff.
You can find em on SHOUTcast, if you wanna listen to em too.  8)

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2011, 05:30:02 PM »

The mold will cost anywhere from $15,000 USD to $ 100,000 USD, depending on multiple factors.

Wait, what?

$100,000 for a mould for a freakin' jewel case tray? What the hell? Granted, I know nothing about this sort of thing, but it seems like I'd be able to fabricate a suitable mould myself for > $500. Maybe less.

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2011, 06:12:13 PM »

The mold will cost anywhere from $15,000 USD to $ 100,000 USD, depending on multiple factors.

Wait, what?

$100,000 for a mould for a freakin' jewel case tray? What the hell? Granted, I know nothing about this sort of thing, but it seems like I'd be able to fabricate a suitable mould myself for > $500. Maybe less.
Yeah, it can get insanely expensive, if I make the wrong choices.
One of the factors I didn't mention, is how many jewel case trays that a single mold can make.
At a certain point, a mold can be too big, and not cost effective.
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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2011, 04:40:20 AM »
It will look very similar to a CD Tray, except that the center of the tray will have the four curved "L's" found in standard HuCard Trays, and a tab that will hold the card in place.

I suggest making 'em like the original trays.  The little pegs that catch the HuCard sleeve (did ya make any sleeves with the holes?) could be omitted, as they're a bit of a pain and not really necessary; I've used hole-less sleeves on my Tennokoe Banks, and they haven't once made a break for it.

Anyway, are there any other HuCards that have thick lumps on them?

There's just four: Street Fighter II', Populous, Tennokoe Bank, and the aforementioned Arcade Card Pro (the Arcade Card Duo version is flat).  I haven't scrutinized 'em side by side, but I believe they're identical in exterior dimensions.
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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2011, 04:51:16 AM »

The mold will cost anywhere from $15,000 USD to $ 100,000 USD, depending on multiple factors.

Wait, what?

$100,000 for a mould for a freakin' jewel case tray? What the hell? Granted, I know nothing about this sort of thing, but it seems like I'd be able to fabricate a suitable mould myself for > $500. Maybe less.

It's because they have to do machine tooling to create the mold properly.  The upside is once you do the mold, it costs next to nothing to make as many as you want.

I work with people sometimes who own a spincast machine to do miniatures ( www.armorcast.com )

They basically do the same thing.  Pay tons for mold to be made, then pay nothing to start cranking out miniatures and selling them.

I was going to have them do HuCards, but the cost to make the card mold itself is way-too-expensive.  It doesn't justify itself very well, especially because then using the right kind of plastic to make a sturdy card jacks the manufacture price up too.

So the whole thing is just a bad idea all around.



Jewel cases are more of the same.  I wish SO the best of luck with this, but man, it's a steep mountain hes climbing here.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Re: Whoa, NEW HuCard Sleeves
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2011, 12:02:29 PM »
Still. I can believe it can get expensive, but $100 grand? Jesus. Someone, somewhere is making a shitload of dough.

Time to get into the mould-making business.