1up.com: Saving the System - TurboGrafx-16

[Edmond Dantes]

We should appreciate what we got and support those in our community who are developing new games and translating old. Regardless of how things went down, it is indeed our system, and for better or worse this system appealed to us and was, intentionally or not, marketed to us.

Amen.

[Arkhan]

Am I the only one who doesn't give two dicks about any Western made games from that era really?

You don't see me beating off to Wizards and Warriors and NES or Solar Crapman.

What would have helped was a less-corny marketing campaign, a real street fighter, and tits.  Lots of them.

[KingDrool]

Found this reprint of an old EGM article addressing "TurboGrafx-16 vs. Genesis". Agree or disagree with the content, it does a good job of illustrating what the mindset was at the time. One thing I found interesting was that they said if the PC Engine was included in the comparison, it would win hands-down over the Turbo and Genesis because of its amazing and diverse library. The conclusion seemed to be that if NEC was able to capitalize on that library and bring a good bulk of those games, it would have a great chance. However, because of the NES and their third-party licensee agreements, that would be difficult to do.

Anyway, here's the article:
http://classicgaming.gamespy.com/View.php?view=ConsoleMuseum.Detail&id=34

[Arkhan]

NES wasn't stopping brilliant games like Necromancer, Marchen Maze and Legend of Valkyrie from coming over. 

Completely stupidity on the other hand......

[Mathius]

NES wasn't stopping brilliant games like Necromancer, Marchen Maze and Legend of Valkyrie from coming over. 

Completely stupidity on the other hand......

Oh NEC. How we love that ignorant bitch. 

[BigusSchmuck]

Wish there was a scan of that 1998 issue of EGM of the top 100 games. Then again, no one liked how they put tetris and Super Metroid in the top ten...

[Mathius]

Wish there was a scan of that 1998 issue of EGM of the top 100 games. Then again, no one liked how they put tetris and Super Metroid in the top ten...

Not sure why anyone wouldn't like Super Metroid being on a top ten list. ...Best game ever IMO.

[Edmond Dantes]

Oh goodness, I used to have that issue of EGM.  Was that the one where Tetris was named #1 best game of all time?

It was also the article that introduced me to Gate of Thunder and Military Madness.  At the time I was mad that Romance of the Three Kingdoms didn't even rank, but I've since learned the error of my ways.

and Arkhan, I'm normally not a big fan of western developers either, but I think the point is that having more third party developers on both sides of the ocean would've given the Turbo a big boost.  And, well, anyone who has played Risk can't argue with that   Isn't Beyond Shadowgate considered one of the TG16's killer apps?  And Loom is considered a very good game on the TG16... and that's a port of a computer game.  Imagine if the Turbo had ports of Sierra's Space Quest series!  In fact, someone please rewrite history and make that happen, because the idea is just too awesome to let die.

[Arkhan]

the good western games would have helped, sure, but bringing over the plethora of already existing games that kicked ass and never came would have been helpful too.

we got Shadow of the Beast, and most people think that games dumb.

I still dunno why Wizardry wasnt released here.  They could have lured in the CRPG fans with those seeing as M&M 3 was here.  and a D&D game.

There were some other good western PC games that could have arrived, but oh well.

[SignOfZeta]

It's true. In the age of Call of Duty, GTA, etc, people forget that in 1990 there were nearly zero western games that anyone gave two shits about. I can't imagine any American TG16 even being a best seller, let alone saving the system.

[KingDrool]

I think the Nintendo licensee thing had the most effect on games like Double Dragon, Ninja Gaiden etc. Those games were f*ckin' HUGE back then. PC Engine had 'em, TurboGrafx didn't.

[BigusSchmuck]

I still dunno why Wizardry wasnt released here.  They could have lured in the CRPG fans with those seeing as M&M 3 was here.  and a D&D game.

Started playing Wizardry on the Turbo now have we? ^^ I got some weird looks from my pals when I included Skyrim music into Wizardry 3 ^^
Speaking of which, wonder how hard it would have been to port over Pools of Radiance, Dragon Lance and Azure Bonds? Could have been very interesting...

[Arkhan]

I still dunno why Wizardry wasnt released here.  They could have lured in the CRPG fans with those seeing as M&M 3 was here.  and a D&D game.

Started playing Wizardry on the Turbo now have we? ^^ I got some weird looks from my pals when I included Skyrim music into Wizardry 3 ^^
Speaking of which, wonder how hard it would have been to port over Pools of Radiance, Dragon Lance and Azure Bonds? Could have been very interesting...

Yeah I fired them up seeing as I have them but never played them.  I pummeled them on NES/DOS when I was younger.  I don't really get why they never came to the Turbo.  Even today though, SirTech is gone, and gave the rights to Japan and we didn't even get a real copy of the newest Wizardry.  its DLC only.

Skyrim blows.  I don't get whats so great.  Gimme daggerfall or gimme death.

It would have been f*ck-all easy to port any of the goldbox games back then.  NES had Pool of radiance.  ANy of those games would have been doable..  Why didn't they?  Stupidity.

OotG was a very nicely done game, but lacked the Goldbox effect as much as it should have.

[Joe Redifer]

I can't imagine any American TG16 even being a best seller, let alone saving the system.

Well, since Call of Duty is American, they could have just put that on the TurboGrafx-16.  Same with Skyrim.  We may not have liked those games but they would have saved the console, especially if they were exclusive.  Both games sold more units than there are physical TurboGrafx-16's in existence.  They would have had to make more systems because of the high demand.  You know what else would have helped the system?  Another Might and Magic game because those games are so intense and full of fun.  It would have been especially great if they required you to roll dice in real life as part of the game playing experience.

[Arkhan]

I'm not sure what kind of bullshit stab that comment is towards CRPGs really?... I mean the next game would have been Clouds of Xeen, and that game is one of the high points of 90s RPGs.

Have you actually played any of them?  The first M&M released on PCE CD is an interesting rehash of the first game that gives it a lot of character.   Then Isles of Terra is a perfect port of the game.  There is plenty of intense parts of these games.

Creeping down corridors, making sure you're ready for traps, or monsters ahead... flinging missile weapons and spells before they close in, followed by bashing their f*cking faces in. 

They're real adventure games.  None of this broke ass Skyrim crap where giants beat dragons to death, you can put pots on peoples heads and steal everything, and you can ramp a horse up a mountain.

Oh and you can 3 hit a bear with your fists where it takes 5-8 slashes with your sword. 

American games blow, and so do American gamers, to be honest.

Look at Wizardry now.  Labyrinth of Lost Souls wasn't even released on physical media in the states because they knew it would hardly sell because everyone these days is a dipshit pussy that can't do anything but complain and then try to get all the achievements in their hamster trail adventure games.

I don't need a gamer score and achievements to tell me or others that I know how to play a game.

All I need is a few rounds of me beating them senseless with Dhalsim, a few plays of Lords of Thunder, and some crazed runs in games like Contra, Jackal, Joust, Aldynes, and Gunbird to tell people I'm not some friggin retard gamer.

I love getting on XBL at my friends with my account that has like, 30 points on it.  I go on SFIV and beat peoples dicks in and laugh at them all.

Americans are too fixated on having high profile rankings/scores, and bragging rights in shitty games.   Half these pole smokers can't even beat the first level of China Warrior before they run to youtube and go OMG THE WORST GAME EVAR BECAUSE LOOK AT IT ITS LIKE OH MY GOD CHINA AND OH MY GOD ITS SO BAD THE GRAPHICS SUCK, THERES BETTER GRAPHICS IN GEARS OF WAR, AND LOOK AT THIS GUY HE KICKS LIKE HES GOT A BROKEN LEG, AND THE MONKS LOOK LIKE DARTH MAUL'S GAY BROTHER.

and crap.

f*ck em.