Who's still playing their Wii?

[Arkhan]

Funny Granstream Saga was mentioned. I played it in the hope that it would be a good spiritual followup to Terranigma. But I was disappointed from the gameplay, which suffered from being ported to 3D graphics. The combat controls felt rather slow, stiff and thus unnatural when coming from the older games. The story is nice, but both the English as well as German dubbing for the animated cutscenes are breaking the athmosphere in a very unpleasant way - it's not even funny, it's just plain bad. It makes me wish there would be a way to have the Japanese audio along with English subtitles and English ingame text.

I wonder how this game would have turned out if the developers stuck with true and tested 2D overhead graphics.



Still, if someone like this game, I say what was written above is my personal opinion and should nobody hinder from giving Granstream Saga a try by themselves. Some may like the slow and methodical combat system for a good reason.

It's not without clunky early 3D flaws, but it was a rather pioneering effort considering when it came out. 

There were other ones like Alundra 2 that smoothed things out a bit, but ... Alundra 2 had some other issues instead.   

They all had garbage voice acting, lol 

[Mas]

Been using my nes classic controller for playing rondo of blood on the tg16. The nes controller is very good for the tg16 games.

I did the same, works fine for Rondo. The only thing I'm missing are the turbo switches.

I also have used the Wiimote on the nes and with the settings I made the wiimote turn into the nes zapper so now I had the gun accessory and was playing duck hunt on the nes. It worked for hogans ally also

You used the Wiimote with an original NES as a Zappper substitute? Please let us know how you did this.

So I have the fce ultra menu with all the nes roms.
I went to duck hunt, started the game and hit the menu options on the fce ultra screen. Select the controller options and then you can select between the nes 2 controllers, 4 controllers, or zapper. Use the zapper option the go back and there you go. Point the wiimote like a gun and you can see the crosshairs on the screen

[Necromancer]

That's not using a Wiimote on an NES. 

Reading is fundamental. 

[Mas]

The wii is a great system for emulation and some great games came out on it. The one thing I kind of wished that the virtual console did have was the wrestling games on the n64. But yeah I like the system

[crazydean]

The wii is a great system for emulation and some great games came out on it. The one thing I kind of wished that the virtual console did have was the wrestling games on the n64. But yeah I like the system

Have you tried selling your Wii with 5000 games on it yet? You should ask for $5000. That's less than a dollar per game!

[Mas]

The wii is a great system for emulation and some great games came out on it. The one thing I kind of wished that the virtual console did have was the wrestling games on the n64. But yeah I like the system

Have you tried selling your Wii with 5000 games on it yet? You should ask for $5000. That's less than a dollar per game!

Have you tried selling your personality yet or is it so lacking you'd up paying

[lukester]

That's of course not to mention that both the Wii and the Game Cube have a s***load of really good games!

Stop right there.

A bit off topic, but the rise of the whole "Gamecube is underrated" mantra is getting on my nerves.

I get the love for the Wii, it's a kickass emulation machine with some interesting motion games (Red Steel 2), fantastic mario games and it also helped keep mid-budget games alive during the ps360 era. Hell, it got me into the Turbografx.

The Gamecube has nothing special going for it. The first party was worse than the n64, the controller was worse, Nintendo farmed out their games with meh results, and the exclusives were just odd. Resident Evil 4 was pretty cool but that's really it. It didn't even have online.

Don't tell me Animal Crossing is good.

[Arkhan]

Resident Evil 4 was pretty cool but that's really it. It didn't even have online.

Resident Evil 4 was neat but marked the end of the Resident Evil being Resident Evil, so we should collectively hate it forever.

The Wii had a decent library sort of.  Just not a powerhouse library that you'd expect or hope for on a Nintendo machine.

[SignOfZeta]

That's of course not to mention that both the Wii and the Game Cube have a s***load of really good games!

Stop right there.

A bit off topic, but the rise of the whole "Gamecube is underrated" mantra is getting on my nerves.

I get the love for the Wii, it's a kickass emulation machine with some interesting motion games (Red Steel 2), fantastic mario games and it also helped keep mid-budget games alive during the ps360 era. Hell, it got me into the Turbografx.

The Gamecube has nothing special going for it. The first party was worse than the n64, the controller was worse, Nintendo farmed out their games with meh results, and the exclusives were just odd. Resident Evil 4 was pretty cool but that's really it. It didn't even have online.

Don't tell me Animal Crossing is good.

Anyone who doesn't like the GC is clearly f*cked in the head. "Nothing special" my ASS. Have you ever played anything like Pac Man Vs? Odama? Have you seen F Zero in progressive scan? Have you used the Gameboy Player? A better pre-Wavebird wireless pad? A better bongo-controlled platformer than Jungle Beat? A better anime based wrestling game than Kinnikuman? Certainly not the PS2 one.

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

And I'd love to hear how the Cube pad is worse the the N64. That should be a very interesting if very unpopular opinion. I rank the N64 pad one notch above 3DO. One notch above because the buttons are way better, but only one notch since great buttons are only uselful if the analog stick hasn't been broken and there very little chance of that if a kid under 12 has ever gotten his hands on it. The Cube pad on the other hand, when it comes to modern analog stuff, it's easily my favorite. Clearly it's ass for fighters or OG games but the triggers are very smooth and have a long pull. The d-pads have very little dead space (especially compared to N64 and DC, which were very bad in this area) and all the buttons actually line up with your thumbs when you're are holding it in the way it was meant to be held, which four generations of PlayStations still haven't done.

Not to mention, if anyone has ever bested NEC in the packaging department it would have been Nintendo with this design. The parts layout is just beautiful and reliability is as high as any disc based system I can think of.

[Arkhan]

To me the Gamecube was great hardware with a library that never did it for me because of all these holes in it's library that I don't really understand how they stayed empty.   

I will admit there's still this satisfying feeling whenever I put a disc in it and press the power button.  The controller is sturdy.  Those triggers are awesome.  The GBA player is also a good time.   

That f*cker can take a beating too.  I dropped mine once from I'd say a 6 or so foot drop, and it still works fine.  It didn't even crack the casing.

I just barely get into the games probably due to the severe lack of RPGs, because I can only get so excited by F Zero and Rogue Leader.

I think Rogue Leader was probably the game I played the most.   

I wish Star Fox Adventures was what was used for Prime, because Prime sucked.    It did the same thing Ocarina of Time did to Zelda.  "lock on, strafe around, f*ck this is boring".

I enjoyed Tony Hawks Pro Morphball though.   That was a good distraction from the most obviously scripted enemy encounters and scan-stuff-because-its-the-gimmick shit in the game.   The visor gimmick wore off and got tedious so fast.

I remember renting Dave Mirra because I couldn't find anything better to play.   So I zoomed around as the Slim Jim guy, crashing into shit to garbage pop punk.

and THPS3.

It just lacked the first party shit I expected.   Wind Waker was dumb.  Rogue Leader was better than StarFox Assault.  Prime was dumb.  the  Mario games were .... yep.

Melee was great but... really wasn't that fun alone. 

Eternal Darkness and the RE stuff ruled.

and the Metal Gear remake.

but like, where were all the sweet action games?

Beyond Good and Evil was basically it.

and Time Splitters 2 but again, that sucks if you're always playing alone.

[blueraven]

Anyone who doesn't like the GC is clearly f*cked in the head.

You're good at making friends.

"Nothing special" my ASS. Have you ever played anything like Pac Man Vs? Odama? Have you seen F Zero in progressive scan? Have you used the Gameboy Player? A better pre-Wavebird wireless pad? A better bongo-controlled platformer than Jungle Beat? A better anime based wrestling game than Kinnikuman? Certainly not the PS2 one.

Ok, thats a legit reason, if its a good DVD player, but who the f*ck in their right mind would go into a pawnshop and see a Wii and be like "Honey, this is a perfect DVD player for our living room!" I mean that's some serious insider knowledge.

Also, No, no, no, no, and no. I don't even know what a wavebird is, I basically checked out after the PS1. 

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

I don't really have a point of reference for this, nor do I sit with a stopwatch and calculate the exact load times of DVD's on gaming consoles. If you have done this, I have no choice but to trust you. Sometimes, I get up and get popcorn or a beer if it takes awhile.

And I'd love to hear how the Cube pad is worse the the N64.

I think it's better... That was the worst controller in the history of... wait how many consoles are we talking about now?

[ClodBuster]

There's no better analog stick for Super Monkey Ball (2) than the Game Cube controller's analog stick.





There, I said it.

[crazydean]

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

I don't really have a point of reference for this, nor do I sit with a stopwatch and calculate the exact load times of DVD's on gaming consoles. If you have done this, I have no choice but to trust you. Sometimes, I get up and get popcorn or a beer if it takes awhile.

You must love the Neo Geo CD for this "feature"!

Really though, that was the reason Nintendo stuck with carts with the N64, even though everyone else had already moved on the discs. CDs can hold more memory and are much cheaper to produce than carts, but Nintendo thought it better to have fast load times. This is why they went with those mini-DVDs on the GCN instead of full-sized discs, because they have fast load times. You forget that you're even using disc-based media when playing.

[Arkhan]

Going with cartridges was part of the reason the N64 sucked.   Games cost more, sometimes the music blew compared to PS1 versions,

AND THEY HAD NO SPINE LABELS BECAUSE WHAT THE f*ck.

[SignOfZeta]

Anyone who doesn't like the GC is clearly f*cked in the head.

You're good at making friends.

"Nothing special" my ASS. Have you ever played anything like Pac Man Vs? Odama? Have you seen F Zero in progressive scan? Have you used the Gameboy Player? A better pre-Wavebird wireless pad? A better bongo-controlled platformer than Jungle Beat? A better anime based wrestling game than Kinnikuman? Certainly not the PS2 one.

Ok, thats a legit reason, if its a good DVD player, but who the f*ck in their right mind would go into a pawnshop and see a Wii and be like "Honey, this is a perfect DVD player for our living room!" I mean that's some serious insider knowledge.

Also, No, no, no, no, and no. I don't even know what a wavebird is, I basically checked out after the PS1. 

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

I don't really have a point of reference for this, nor do I sit with a stopwatch and calculate the exact load times of DVD's on gaming consoles. If you have done this, I have no choice but to trust you. Sometimes, I get up and get popcorn or a beer if it takes awhile.

And I'd love to hear how the Cube pad is worse the the N64.

I think it's better... That was the worst controller in the history of... wait how many consoles are we talking about now?

We're talking about the Cube, right? I never said it was a good DVD player. It literally cannot be a good DVD player because it takes 3" discs only, you f*cking herb. It's not just load times you have no reference point for, from what I can see. You really shouldn't make such declarative statements about things like consumer products you apparently have never touched. It's not like you said "I think it looks dumb"', it's that you specifically called out people who defended it as not knowing what they were taking about but in reality you don't even know it won't take 5" discs making it seem very unlikely that you've spent any decent time with one.

Game availability, as others have said, is terrible. This has been an issue ever since the SFC though. There are always fewer good Nintendo games with each generation. I don't know, N64 might have sucked even worse in that category though. Just because it didn't have 780 pieces of shovelware on top of the good stuff doesn't mean it's better than the Wii library. The crap doesn't matter. The good stuff is what matters.

RE: load times. You don't need a stop watch to notice that Gran Tursimo takes half a minute (on any PS, it doesn't matter, no technology can save us from loading, it's a human problem) and most of the games on Cube with Mario in the name go from the title screen to you doing something nearly as quick as a Gameboy. If you were around for PS1 then you know aaaaallllll about load times. GC is more like PCE or faster, at least with first party games. Activision or whoever usually had different priories, maybe because those games were usually multi platform and, load times would be closer to PS2. The small disc helps a lot though.

God, Luigi's Mansion is so cool. For some reason I can't get into the 3DS one.

Wave Race GC is super fun. Almost identical to the excellent N64 game but with much less shitty graphics making it a lot easier to enjoy. For me, anyway, since I'm not a massive fan of 3D games in general I never really enjoyed many of them until at least Dreamcast came around and could do a decent job of it.  WR is not quite as free wheeling as the Outrun 2 games but in the same vein and it helps to be able to draw some blue skies and whatever snd not have it look like Wolfenstien.

I'm not a huge Zelda guy (wouldn't want to be) but Wind Waker and Link's Awakening are far and above my favorites.

The Super Robot Wars on GC was bad. Not worthless, it's an interesting divergence (later ported to XB, bizzareely) but still bad. The Gundam game though, the Ace Pilot one, was surprisingly good.