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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2011, 11:46:10 PM »
In my opinion, and unfortunately some experience, the dishonest sellers jack the price up by having friends bid earlier on in the auction.  Those same friends won't tend to jack the price up past the 10 seconds left mark because their pal would have to pay the ebay fees to relist. 

I've always either just used buy it now or waited until the last 10 seconds to enter my maximum bid.  Every time I haven't waited somebody else jacked the price even higher than my maximum bid, or I ended up paying too much (i.e. more than usual) for the game. 

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2011, 12:45:00 AM »
I use Yayhoo.Japan since there is no such thing as bid sniping and tool-bidding.

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2011, 01:39:00 AM »
i have had this happen many times to me. Sometimes if I am board, i might try sniping, but its to avoid the seller jacking the prices. More often than not, I get burned by the automated bidding programs, but i might score something every once in a while.

For the longest time I Ebayed like Zeta suggested. I just put my max bid in and then waited. It was amazing that i always paid my max bid, or i got way over bidded by all the snipers at the end of the auction. To have a fair chance I had to go last minute bids, or BINs. 

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2011, 04:14:24 AM »
i snipe at times, mainly to try to close before the reactionary bids respond.
its not that i am trying to insure i win, just that i get the best price if i do

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2011, 04:41:50 AM »
Holy crap, Yahoo.japan.... never thought to look there.
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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2011, 05:48:08 AM »
I've been using eBay for about 9 years. I don't put in the max amount that I want to pay for an item. I usually find about five to ten listings of the same item. I follow them through bookmarks on my browser (watch-list alerts the seller of demand in their control panel, so I don't use that). I put in a reasonable bid at the last minute and may raise the max by five to ten dollars. About a tenth of the time I win. That may seem like long odds, but if you do the arithmetic it isn't.

However, if I notice obvious bid shelling, sometimes I will actually bid considerably over what I would actually be willing to pay (but in small increments) just to see if the seller is dumb enough to keep bidding against me with his shells. I'm pretty sure that a few months ago a seller bidding against himself bid over $100 on a Phenom 9550 CPU. I bought the same CPU from another seller for about $46, but it was fun to mess with the guy was trying to rip me off. Due to eBay's exorbitant fees he wasted a nice chunk of change.

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2011, 06:05:18 AM »
You people are f*cking stupid.

At least some of us are smart enough to understand that some people will competitively bid something beyond reasonable prices just to 'win'.  Obviously it won't always work due to other snipers or a previously set higher max bid, but why give 'em a chance to react at all?

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2011, 07:12:24 AM »
I think the advantage to bidding right near the end of an auction leaves little time for an incremental bidder to react.  If everyone just put one max bid in, it wouldn't matter when the bids came in.  But since there are many reactionary bidders out there, sniping works.
Exactly.  I'm kind of surprised that Nat, Zeta, and others don't think sniping is effective.  Dorky?  Yes.  Waste of time?  Maybe, but it certainly saves money.

I can't count the number of times I've seen fairly valuable items sitting in auctions for low amounts.  If there aren't many early bidders and the price remains unusually low, people begin to underestimate the item's value and don't expect sudden bid increases.  Every time I bid early and lose an auction, I look at the history and, sure enough, there was some reactionary idiot bidding away in the last two minutes: "$25? Nope...hmmm...$28.99?  Nope.  Golly, let's see here, $31.28??"
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You people are f*cking stupid.

Oh wow.  I think I'm in the wrong forums.
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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2011, 07:29:05 AM »
This little discussion about hovering over our computers to snipe kids toys on ebay was due for a reality check.

If only someone would invent software that'd place last second bids automatically....
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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2011, 10:00:25 AM »
No one person is "always right" (nothing against Zeta).

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2011, 11:46:02 AM »
I learned a long time ago if you want to get any kind of deal on Ebay you have to snipe auctions. If you outbid someone early they might decide to bid an amount they didn't plan to just because they've been "outbid" and now have some desperate need to have that item. It's like vestcoat said in his post people get a premature sense of ownership and tend to retaliate when they've been outbid. Everyone bidding within the last 10 seconds seems to be the best way to do it, everyone lays their cards on the table and whoever bids the highest wins the item. If I get outbid I think big deal there'll always be more where that came from.

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2011, 11:56:24 AM »
Also with bidding on auctions alot of times people end up bidding more than they were going to in the begining because towards the end of the auction they kinda feel like "well I already have this much in I might as well go this much more" so bidders alot of times end up going into bidding wars. There's been a number of times where I listed an item as BIN at a certain price and it didn't sell then I would list it as an auction and the auction would end up going for more money than my original BIN price.

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2011, 05:27:51 PM »
I think the advantage to bidding right near the end of an auction leaves little time for an incremental bidder to react.  If everyone just put one max bid in, it wouldn't matter when the bids came in.  But since there are many reactionary bidders out there, sniping works.
Exactly.  I'm kind of surprised that Nat, Zeta, and others don't think sniping is effective.  Dorky?  Yes.  Waste of time?  Maybe, but it certainly saves money.

What? In what way does it 'save money?' I've observed it, in fact, does the exact opposite.

Others here are making cases in favor of sniping and yet seem oblivious to the fact they're actually outlining many of my arguments against it.

Also with bidding on auctions alot of times people end up bidding more than they were going to in the begining because towards the end of the auction they kinda feel like "well I already have this much in I might as well go this much more" so bidders alot of times end up going into bidding wars.

Bidding wars are idiotic, and I question anyone who enters into them, unless you happen to be someone with a limitless supply of currency. If that's the case, then.... more power to you. I want no part of them, and participating in end-of-auction shenanigans would seem to increase the chance of involvement.

If you outbid someone early they might decide to bid an amount they didn't plan to just because they've been "outbid" and now have some desperate need to have that item. It's like vestcoat said in his post people get a premature sense of ownership and tend to retaliate when they've been outbid. Everyone bidding within the last 10 seconds seems to be the best way to do it, everyone lays their cards on the table and whoever bids the highest wins the item.

The way I see it, the bidding wars and reactionary bids are going to happen regardless of when I place my bid.

Since the maximum I'm willing to pay for an item is determined in advance, and has absolutely no bearing on what dopey bid war mongers and reactionaries might bid an item up to, it makes little sense to wait until the final moments to place my bid.

Maybe if someone cant understand that by entering the max you are willing to pay, that another bidder will just continue to bid until they are the highest bidder, even if only by a few cents, then that someone should inspect their own intelligence level.   :wink: 

Huh? When I bid the max I'm willing to pay, I'm bidding the max I'm willing to pay. If someone else is willing to pay more than me, that doesn't mean I'm going to increase my maximum to outbid them. That would mean my initial bid.... wasn't really a "maximum."

You see the problem with this mentality is it is exactly what fuels bidding wars. Bidding wars and sniping in general only encourage you, as a buyer, to spend more than you should. You might "win" the item, but the only REAL winner in these scenarios is the seller.

I guess it really all depends on your priorities. If all you care about is winning the item, at any cost, then sniping would seem to definitely be the most effective method. Me, I'm more concerned with not overpaying for stuff, not supporting gougers, and finding the absolute best possible deals. Sniping, by its very nature, would seem to be the antithesis of this mentality.

Also, people have lamented about being forced to pay their max bid when they bid early. This doesn't make sense to me. My maximum is never usually so high that I would regret paying it. My ceilings would actually be considered extremely miserly by most people here. If you don't want to pay high, don't bid high. It's that simple. You're not going to win every time. Maybe not even half the time, depending on what you're bidding on. But I guarantee you'll save in the long run, and you'll save yourself a migraine or two along the way.

(All that said, yeah, I've sniped an auction or two in my time in extreme circumstances on, uh, very "special" items. It should also be noted that these auctions I sniped ended up being some of the most expensive transactions for me.)



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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2011, 06:03:11 PM »
Yeah I only use Yahoo Japan auctions, but I'm in Japan.
But their bidding system is pretty good. On most auctions if you bid sometime in the last 10 minutes the end of the auction will automatically be extended for 10 more minutes. This can occasionally lead to annoying bidding wars that draw out the end of the auction by an hour or more, but at least it gives everyone a chance to bid how much they want and feel out the other bidders.

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Re: Hate last minute bidders on ebay.
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2011, 04:12:14 AM »
I'm jealous of you people who are in Japan.  I really am.  You get a more complete PC-Engine and SFC library.  I mean seriously, I think the only America-exclusive games the Turbo had were Beyond Shadowgate and AD&D:  Order of the Griffon, and while I'm sure they're decent games... those, versus the likes of Ys and Langrisser, its just no contest.  And then there's all those classic anime.  Much as I love Thundercats and He-Man, I would rather have grown up watching Dragon Ball, Mashin Eiyuden Wataru, GoShogun and the non-shitty version of Go Lion.

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