Author Topic: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?  (Read 1253 times)

esteban

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2012, 01:36:53 PM »
...somethings is wrong. Probably your medication needs to be adjusted.


Ha!  Perhaps he's having hot flashes?



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thesteve

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2012, 02:44:13 PM »
After using the step-down for a couple of months now, I am pretty happy.  PCE is definitely running cooler as is my Saturn. 


Um...neither the PCE or SS should produce any detectible heat whatsoever. I've been running an JP Saturn for about 13 years without issue. I also have a Duo R (running Radio Shack PSU) and an IFU set-up with the original 22+ year old PSU. If your SS and PCE are actually getting hot...somethings is wrong. Probably your medication needs to be adjusted.

The power supply inside a JP Saturn is almost certainly identical to a US model with the only difference I know of being the usual unpolarized power cord. The PCE's power supply is external so that makes even less sense. Any excess heat would be in the PSU.

Honestly, it would be interesting to see exactly what voltage these things are putting out...

on the PCE the 7805 regulator would be where the added heat is generated.
I wouldnt know on the saturn

dq333

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2012, 05:43:33 PM »
 :dance: Oh boy...... what more can we expect from a forum with such riffraff.  Hot flashes? Stick a rag in it. As for you Sherlock, I would suggest staying off your meds as you are clearly in a delusional world of your own for thinking your word is law.  What did you do, empirical research during those 13 years? Ahem..  If you haven't been using these systems in conjunction with a step-down then how can you even give an opinion?  I've actually got 3 years over you with my Saturn and believe otherwise.  Moreover when did I suggest that not using a converter will definitely cause issues? I use it as a precaution as it may very well prolong components. Not to wish it on you, but your SS may bite the dust tomorrow, mine might too, but taking the extra effort by using a system in optimal conditions is not illogical.
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esteban

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2012, 01:38:27 AM »
:dance: Oh boy...... what more can we expect from a forum with such riffraff.  Hot flashes? Stick a rag in it. As for you Sherlock, I would suggest staying off your meds as you are clearly in a delusional world of your own for thinking your word is law.  What did you do, empirical research during those 13 years? Ahem..  If you haven't been using these systems in conjunction with a step-down then how can you even give an opinion?  I've actually got 3 years over you with my Saturn and believe otherwise.  Moreover when did I suggest that not using a converter will definitely cause issues? I use it as a precaution as it may very well prolong components. Not to wish it on you, but your SS may bite the dust tomorrow, mine might too, but taking the extra effort by using a system in optimal conditions is not illogical.


Hey, let me be the first to say this: we were having some fun at your expense. Sorry

But, seriously, don't worry about it. We all love PCE/Turbo, so let's focus on that

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2012, 02:36:06 AM »
The power supply inside a JP Saturn is almost certainly identical to a US model with the only difference I know of being the usual unpolarized power cord.

Don't hold me responsible if you blow up your system testing this, but I seem to remember reading from a knowledgeable source that the polarized power cord for the US model is not actually critical, and that the system can handle reverse-polarization just fine. I read up about it when I was trying to find a cord for my US Saturn that I brought to Japan (forgot the stinkin' thing back home). I still follow the proper polarization, but I seem to remember finding out later that that wasn't necessary.

It would be very interesting if the power supply was indeed identical.

Also, for the record, my US system runs just fine in Japan.

dq333

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2012, 02:55:40 AM »
I guess that's how these forums are.  It's kind of like a brotherly thing huh?  My first topic and i'm cyber bullied  :lol:, jk.  Sorry guys if I went on a rant. This is the only forum I come to for the PCE.  I love the PCE and it's one of the only two things I would actually lick the slot on  :lol:  I'll admit, I love my games way more than I should; i'm thirty years old, marr........  I feel like an open can now, damn  :shock: 

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2012, 07:14:38 AM »
I guess that's how these forums are.  It's kind of like a brotherly thing huh?  My first topic and i'm cyber bullied 

If you think that's cyber bullying, you're in for a shock.

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2012, 08:22:50 AM »
:dance: Oh boy...... what more can we expect from a forum with such riffraff.  Hot flashes? Stick a rag in it. As for you Sherlock, I would suggest staying off your meds as you are clearly in a delusional world of your own for thinking your word is law.  What did you do, empirical research during those 13 years? Ahem..  If you haven't been using these systems in conjunction with a step-down then how can you even give an opinion?  I've actually got 3 years over you with my Saturn and believe otherwise.  Moreover when did I suggest that not using a converter will definitely cause issues? I use it as a precaution as it may very well prolong components. Not to wish it on you, but your SS may bite the dust tomorrow, mine might too, but taking the extra effort by using a system in optimal conditions is not illogical.

I'm going to give you a pass here since you obviously have an underdeveloped sense of humor and I shouldn't discriminate against disabled people.

Regarding the topic at hand, a step-down transformer, and you now wanting to be scientific and analytical, you are saying that your systems run "noticeably cooler" with one. This claim brings up a few questions:

How did you measure the temperature? Did you install thermocouples or use an infrared scope? I ask because the things put out almost no detectible heat even running without a step down (as anyone here can tell you because none of us use one except people living in 220V regions) so its not like a PC or a system with a fan or anything that just gets hot to the touch. If my system is sitting there at room temperature and yours is at room temperature with a step down, how do you know which is cooler?

What power supply are you using for the PCE? Which PCE?

What voltage is your step-down actually putting out under load?

What model of step-down transformer have you been using for the past 16 years?

It would be interesting if someone compared power supplies for Saturns. I have one JP system and one US one, but they are of different generations and the power supplies are quite different. Considering how many variations of Saturn there are (probably a dozen or more) it might be difficult to learn this info without a huge stack of the things.

Regarding polarization: Yeah, you don't need to worry. In US nearly every power cord has terminals designed to preserve polarization, but most of the time its useless or impossible to actually gain anything from it. If the first thing AC sees in a device is a DC power supply with significant voltage reduction and the entire case is plastic and it has no external grounding...then there isn't any point is polarization. If this were a medium duty drill or a toaster or something, sure.

Regarding PCEs specifically, and PSUs for them: My Duo R's PS gave up the ghost before it was ever even imported. The guy before me was using a Sega CD PSU, but I didn't like it so I used the Radio Shack shack one, 273-1771. Anyone using a US power supply should know that a step-down is beyond stupid in your case. So this makes step-downs basically useless for nearly everything pre-3DO. You're better off just buying a US power supply since if you don't have one already you'll probably need one soon as they don't last forever.

Regardless of all this technical stuff, there is a metric assload of anecdotal evidence suggesting that step down transformers are not needed for JP systems in the US. I've known many people with all sorts of imported systems from Famicoms to Saturns, PCE, PS2, Gamecube, etc etc, none of these people used a step-down transformer and none showed any sign of issue. Therefore, while you *may* be protecting your system, I think these devices amount to nothing more than snake oil. If it makes you feel comfortable then also make sure you use Slick 50, ginseng, chakra crystals, and avoid gluten while you are at it because you obviously respond very well to bullshit. If you order enough crap from infomercials you and your imported game systems might just live forever!

For what its worth, NTSC-J is also slightly different from standard NTSC. NTSC-J uses a black level of 0 IRE whereas the standard NTSC uses one of 7.5. Does anyone here recalibrate their TVs for different regions of systems? f*ck no, because nobody can even see the difference. Most people are running their PCE's stretched on 16:9 LCDs which makes everything look like ass regardless of any minor tweakings like that. Similarly the caps in your black Duo are all leaking at this point no matter what voltage its been operating with for the past 20 years.
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dq333

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2012, 01:04:06 PM »
 =; hold on.  Give me a pass? You ain't nothing but a pompous bigot.  Considering that I actually work with disabled people, you are quite the twonk for saying that.  Again not wishing anything here but I'd hate to see your face if your child is born disabled or your children's children.  

Anyway as far as temperature; you ever touch something hot and something not so much? Not much to it really.
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SignOfZeta

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2012, 01:22:21 PM »
Seriously, your sense of humor really is broken. That was another joke. Even retarded kids know how to laugh. Loosen up.

My point is...I'll try to spell this out as simply as possible so that my future children will understand it even with the extra chromosome you so badly feel they deserve...My systems are room temperature. So if yours are "noticeably cooler" then they must have refrigeration systems hidden inside of them or something? This claim of yours makes no sense. How can they be cooler than not hot at all?

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2012, 01:43:35 PM »
Tunnel vision thinking much?

SignOfZeta

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2012, 03:30:07 PM »
Tunnel vision thinking much?


I'm asking you to explain your claim, if not empirically at least logically, and I refuse to be distracted by your "how dare you"s. If that's tunnel vision, then...oh well.

If you aren't going to back up your claim, then you have no grounds to be bothered by my dismissal of it.

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2012, 05:52:10 PM »
That's not what I meant by saying that....... You are thinking much too hard on this temp thing from one angle....

Backup my claim?  ](*,)....   I can only give you direct observation--using my hand. For instance today, I played Adventure Island for two hours straight. The system was not even warm to the touch.  Before using the converter, my PCE felt rather hot.  I had been using the PCE for about a year without a converter and didn't care until the day I actually felt the left side after a gaming session.  Anyway, i could care less about explaining anymore, i'm pretty happy  :)


SignOfZeta

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2012, 07:21:18 PM »
Yeah, you don't care. That's why you keep making useless posts to get the last word in.

"Not even warm to the touch" is exactly how my PCEs are and always have been. Same with the Saturn. Systems with a peak power consumption of 9 watts (only seen while the laser sled is seeking from the far end of travel to the begining, less than 4W while in HuCard mode) don't usually put out a great deal of heat.

Again, what power supply are you using?

esteban

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Re: Anybody using a stepdown converter 120/100v and a surge protector?
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2012, 11:23:44 PM »
Zeta, I love you, but we don't have to be this nurturing to a newcomer, do we? Save some of your tenderness for the other folks, too!

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