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Black Sabbath Poll
« on: February 17, 2012, 12:34:02 PM »
With the talks of an upcoming Sabbath reunion album, I've been revisiting some of their catalog being the classic metal fan that I am. It begs the question.... which lineup is best? I've included only what I consider the three "real" Sabbath lineups here, the lineups that at least 3/4 of the band was usually made up of original members.

I don't consider any of the late 80s stuff to be "real" Black Sabbath, where Tony Iommi is the only actual Sabbath member and the rest of the band is sort of made up of a rotating cast of characters. These are basically Iommi solo albums marketed under the Sabbath label for financial and/or contractual reasons.

The Dio lineup gets my vote. The three (four if you count the album The Devil You Know, released under the "Heaven & Hell" label) albums they released are musically and lyrically just spectacular. Dio's voice fits the Sabbath soundscape better than either of the other guys, plus he can actually sing. The band has never sounded tighter than it does on these albums. Also, this lineup recorded three new tracks for a 2007 Sabbath Best-of compilation, and proved time can't touch the amazing talent of these guys. It's some pretty amazing consistency, especially considering the span of time (27 years).

Gillan lineup would be my second choice. They only did one album, but boy was it a killer. This lineup might have actually been my number one had they released more material, and had it been up to par with the Born Again album. Ian Gillan (originally of Deep Purple) is a great singer, although he's not quite as good a fit IMO as Dio. He sings the Ozzy songs better than Ozzy, though.

Ozzy is my third choice. I don't particularly like Ozzy Osborne, as a person, or as a singer. He can't really sing, hence the invention of the trademark Ozzy double-tracked vocals. He's a doofus. Even my dislike of Ozzy can't deny the musicianship of the other members, however, and they did some really good stuff with him in the band. I feel a lot of it was overexposed and has been given more attention over the years than it probably deserves. The Born Again album, for example, is better than most of what the band did with Osbourne. Nobody knows this, though, because only the radio-friendly Ozzy singles ever get any airplay.

I have to say I'm less than excited about these upcoming "reunion projects" (Sabbath, Van Halen, etc). Ozzy never could sing, and the fact that he's now nine hundred and five certainly won't be helping matters. I'm idly interested to see what they come up with on the off chance they're able to generate another "Paranoid." I guess since Ronnie James Dio is dead and isn't around for another reunion this is the next best thing.

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 01:14:12 PM »
The Ozzy ver was an absolutely revolutionary band, but the Dio ver made way better albums.

Overall though, IMO, this band is rather lame compared to other metal acts. Once Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys and Maiden's mid 80s stuff was in my posesion, I just couldn't get into stuff like Sabboth.

BTW, Sabboth has no business doing a reunion tour and, I'm pretty sure, won't, despite the talk.

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 01:38:07 PM »

Overall though, IMO, this band is rather lame compared to other metal acts. Once Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys and Maiden's mid 80s stuff was in my posesion, I just couldn't get into stuff like Sabboth.


Have you heard any of Maiden's most recent album? I think it came out within the past 2 years or so. I haven't heard the whole thing, but the two or three songs I've heard are really, really good. I've been meaning to grab it.

The Ozzy ver was an absolutely revolutionary band

No doubt. Early Sabbath/Ozzy Sabbath, along with Deep Purple and some help from Blue Oyster Cult more or less invented metal.

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 01:50:39 PM »
Sabbath with Ozzy was amazing. It was so different from other things that were coming out at the time. The sound was unlike what was happening. I had to vote for the Ozzy lineup, however, I loved Sabbath with Dio as well. I still pop Sabbath in from time to time but find myself listening to more Motorhead and Judas Priest these days than anything else.
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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 01:55:12 PM »

Overall though, IMO, this band is rather lame compared to other metal acts. Once Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys and Maiden's mid 80s stuff was in my posesion, I just couldn't get into stuff like Sabboth.


Have you heard any of Maiden's most recent album? I think it came out within the past 2 years or so. I haven't heard the whole thing, but the two or three songs I've heard are really, really good. I've been meaning to grab it.

The Ozzy ver was an absolutely revolutionary band

No doubt. Early Sabbath/Ozzy Sabbath, along with Deep Purple and some help from Blue Oyster Cult more or less invented metal.

Maiden's new album rocks (The final Frontier), it was much better than the last one. So 3 out of 4 albums that Maiden has released in the past 10 years are pretty good.
As for Black Sabbath, the best lineup IMHO are the original guys. I did manage to see them live back in 01, was pretty epic at Ozzfest.

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 01:59:09 PM »
I vote for whoever did the sountrack to Nexzr....  I listen almost exclusively to video game music with some classical mixed in (dvorak, john adams, even some gregorian chant here and there)  I was never much into metal so my opinion on Black Sabbath is non-existent really.  I dont know who any of those people are except for that, as you put it, doofus Osbourne.

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 02:11:59 PM »
Black Sabbath went downhill after their self-titled song...  damn shame since it was the first song on their first album.   Probably my favorite thing they've ever done.

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 02:24:27 PM »
Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys
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I vote for Ozzy era Sabbath. I like that best. I don't dislike the Dio era, but I always liked Dio's solo work and his time in Rainbow better.

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 06:16:37 PM »
No mention of Geezer Butler, Tony Iommi and Tony Martin lineup of the mid 90's?  Cross Purposes was my favorite Sabbath album ever.  More people need to give it a listen if they haven't already.

Tony Martin is totally underrated.

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 08:53:11 PM »

Overall though, IMO, this band is rather lame compared to other metal acts. Once Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys and Maiden's mid 80s stuff was in my posesion, I just couldn't get into stuff like Sabboth.


Have you heard any of Maiden's most recent album? I think it came out within the past 2 years or so. I haven't heard the whole thing, but the two or three songs I've heard are really, really good. I've been meaning to grab it.

Hell yes. That was my number one jam for about three weeks last August. Very very good stuff.

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 08:56:34 PM »
This is good news. I'll have to stop procrastinating and just pick it up.

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 09:18:58 PM »
I bought it on iTunes and then found the double picture disc at the store. I f*cking HATE that.

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 09:21:21 PM »
Maiden is f*cking badass. And yes, their new record is killer. I saw them a few years back, shortly after the event where Sharon Osborne pelted him with eggs and kicked them off Ozzfest.

Queenscryche opened the show.

Original sabbath, although the name of the 1st Dio fronted record was "Heaven And Hell" that was the band name for the 2006? 7? reunion. They officially changed the name to Heaven and Hell because Sharon threatened to sue Tony Iommi and Dio.
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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 07:02:08 AM »

Original sabbath, although the name of the 1st Dio fronted record was "Heaven And Hell" that was the band name for the 2006? 7? reunion. They officially changed the name to Heaven and Hell because Sharon threatened to sue Tony Iommi and Dio.

Yes, I know. Sharon Osborne is a gigantic bitch (some might even say a Digital Bitch). That was a really dick move.

I gotta say, I'm disappointed in the PCEFX crowd so far as far as this poll goes.  [-(

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Re: Black Sabbath Poll
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 09:11:54 AM »
This is good news. I'll have to stop procrastinating and just pick it up.

Anything Iron Maiden releases should be promptly purchased and blasted at full volume.

I like the original line up, because the songs have a strange quality to them

Fairies Wear Boots, War Pigs, and Paranoid are just awesome.

Quality wise, the Dio stuff is better.  But, as far as feeling wise, I'd rather blast the entire Paranoid album.
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