PCE shooters have lost their magic for me...

[Tatsujin]

sure i think the same way. and so does the PS1 have its raison d'être. both have great shewties and both have their very own exclusive titles. and some of the shared titles are better played on the saturn, while others are better on the PS1.

if you love/choose 32-bit (aka 16-bit arcade) home shooting, you can't miss both of 'em.

[Samurai Ghost]

I'm a fan a both. I have tons of shooters on both the Saturn and PCE, and both have their time and place for me. The gameplay style is just different for each generation of shooters. With the Saturn a lot of games started towards the bullet-hell play style while the PCE shooters are more old school style with more enemy dodging and the like.

As much as I love the Saturn, the fact is that there are tons of great shooters that never came out on the Saturn that were on the PCE HuCard format, like PC Denjin, Magical Chase, Hana taka da, and the fantastic Soldier series. To me I love the gameplay, presentation, and music of these games despite the technical superiority of shooters on the Saturn, Dreamcast, PS2, PS3/360, iOS, etc. Those games will always be great no matter what else came out after them!

[fragmare]

I recently got into Sega Saturn, and started collecting shmups for it.
I must say, after playing games like Darius Gaiden, Sōkyūgurentai, Dodonpachi, Batsugun and Battle Garegga, I am having hard going back to the PCE shmups.
They seem dated to me now in terms of presentation and game play. Anyone feel the same?

A good game's a good game no matter what era it came from.  I've got favorite shmups from just about every era of gaming ranging from Asteroids Deluxe (if you count that a shmup) on up through Raiden IV.

[Tatsujin]

I personally would put GoT over any shewties that came out on both the saturn or PS1, at any times.

[Digi.k]

I recently got into Sega Saturn, and started collecting shmups for it.
I must say, after playing games like Darius Gaiden, Sōkyūgurentai, Dodonpachi, Batsugun and Battle Garegga, I am having hard going back to the PCE shmups.
They seem dated to me now in terms of presentation and game play. Anyone feel the same?

Battle Garegga is an awesome shmup as I too have a sega saturn but noway will i get rid of my pce..

You should also consider cotton 2 and cotton boomerang and Sengoku blaede... plus another game called game paradise but you have to twink around the options screen to improve the gameplay which is all in japanese..

Consider an xbox 360 for its shmups as well, the ones by cave some are region free and are getting quite expensive now.. and the slew of shmups on the XBL arcade is another realm to discover and be surprised by..

[Tatsujin]

Peeps who get rid of their PCEs are morons. Nobody wants to be a moron.

[HercTNT]

tyrian 2000 is my favorite non pce shooter.  other than that, the pce is my shooter get away. I'm not saying that other systems dont have decent shooters. I'm just saying they dont have the magic that the pce ones have in my opinion. I never get tired of them.

[Bernie]

Peeps who get rid of their PCEs are morons. Nobody wants to be a moron.

Oh I am positive we have a few here that strive to be just that, a moron...

[majors]

If you can't appreciate 'em anymore, then it's your very own beef. But i doubt that most of the peeps thinking that way.

Never turn your back on Turbo...

I'm a fan a both.

Ditto.

Saturn to me WAS shooters and fighters to me. A lot of good arcade ports there and some new ones like Thunderforce 5. I have recently been getting back into PS2 shooters (Raiden 3, Ibara, Mushi, Dodon, etc) and the retro collections (SNK and Taito). But to be truthful, a lot of that has to do with the new 500gb HD I installed and Gamestop dumping PS2 games (10 games for $7?! Why sure, I'll take a look at the trash that has been picked over for a decade now)

[turbokon]

I personally would put GoT over any shewties that came out on both the saturn or PS1, at any times.

Couldn't agree more. GOT is the best shooter ever made. I played shooters on the newer systems, latest one being raiden iv for the 360, which I think is the best with what the latest crops have to offer. That being said, I always find myself playing shooters more on the turbo.

[ddd1234]

Peeps who get rid of their PCEs are morons. Nobody wants to be a moron.

Who got rid of their PCE?

Oh I am positive we have a few here that strive to be just that, a moron...

Sounds like you are taking a indirect (cheap) shot at me.
As a fan, I have been collecting Pc-Engine games over the past several years, so it makes no f*cking sense for me to sell my Pc-Engine.
I still like the system.

[Starfighter]

(worse in the case of bullet hells).

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[Necromancer]

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Heh.  My biggest gripe over bullet hell shmups is that many of 'em shrink the hit box down to a single pixel; 'evading' enemy shots when they clearly hit your ship is le dumb.

[geise]

I used to love Cave games and some bullet hell's like RS, but I have a hard time playing them now.  The "on purpose" slow down, 1 pixel hitbox, and soemtimes impossible unavoidable deaths, makes the genre boring.  The chaining/scoring make it fun for a while, but the earlier Cave games like E.S.P. Ra De and Dangun Feveron were where I had my last major enjoyment with a bullet hell game.  Well I did like Mushihimesama 1.5 on the 360.

PCE shooters I can always, always, always come back to and enjoy.  It's not just because that's what I grew up with, (cause I also grew up with Saturn shooters) it's mainly they are so much fun to play.  It's just different playing a shooter on the PCE than it is on other systems.  I guess is if you really didn't grow up with the system it's kinda hard to explain.

[Black Tiger]

What I'm not fond of in bullet hell games is that they break the feeling of flight and it seems more like a puzzle game with a background just for the sake of it. Instead of feeling like I'm flying through places, to often bullet hell games feel more like Galaga, Space Invaders, Silpheed, etc.  I still enjoy games like that, but one of the things I love about 16-bit shooters is the balanced action and feeling immersed in the world of a game.