PCE shooters have lost their magic for me...

[Joe Redifer]

Personally, I tend to prefer designed-for-console shooters over arcade shooters.  There are some arcade shooters which I feel are better on the console than in the arcade, like R-Type or the aforementioned Aero Blasters.  I don't really care for anything made by Cave.  Just the music alone is fatiguing. 

[Starfighter]

I'm the opposite on this. The more walls to take damage of, the bigger hitbox, the worse shooter for me. I also like everything about Cave-games except chaining (and as Joe said, the music sucks. But I think most of the video game music sucks) - one of the last thing that makes them interesting to some players. But I just want the core, the "avoid bullets and shoot".

Oh, and the biggest dealbreaker for me in shoot 'em ups - is horizontal. I have to this day not liked a single horizontal shoot 'em up I have ever tried, and I have tried a lot of the popular ones (Border Down, Deathsmiles, R-Type-series, Gradius-series, Einhänder, Darius-series, U.N. Squadron, Thunder Force-series, Progear etc). It's vertical all the way for me.

But I still love the shooters on PCE for some reason, that was even the primary reason for getting a PC Engine in the first place.

[Black Tiger]

I'm the opposite on this. The more walls to take damage of, the bigger hitbox, the worse shooter for me. I also like everything about Cave-games except chaining (and as Joe said, the music sucks. But I think most of the video game music sucks) - one of the last thing that makes them interesting to some players. But I just want the core, the "avoid bullets and shoot".

Oh, and the biggest dealbreaker for me in shoot 'em ups - is horizontal. I have to this day not liked a single horizontal shoot 'em up I have ever tried, and I have tried a lot of the popular ones (Border Down, Deathsmiles, R-Type-series, Gradius-series, Einhänder, Darius-series, U.N. Squadron, Thunder Force-series, Progear etc). It's vertical all the way for me.

But I still love the shooters on PCE for some reason, that was even the primary reason for getting a PC Engine in the first place.

Have you tried Gate of Thunder?

[Tatsujin]

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Heh.  My biggest gripe over bullet hell shmups is that many of 'em shrink the hit box down to a single pixel; 'evading' enemy shots when they clearly hit your ship is le dumb.

THIS!!!

I liked 'em until like Dodonpachi era, what came after got just worse and worse. also graphically wise, since they had more and more replaced good old handrawn sprites through pre-render cack.

[Tatsujin]

Peeps who get rid of their PCEs are morons. Nobody wants to be a moron.

Who got rid of their PCE?

I'm very certain about the fact, that somewhere there are peeps out there selling away their only PCE systems.

[Tatsujin]

I'm the opposite on this. The more walls to take damage of, the bigger hitbox, the worse shooter for me. I also like everything about Cave-games except chaining (and as Joe said, the music sucks. But I think most of the video game music sucks) - one of the last thing that makes them interesting to some players. But I just want the core, the "avoid bullets and shoot".

Oh, and the biggest dealbreaker for me in shoot 'em ups - is horizontal. I have to this day not liked a single horizontal shoot 'em up I have ever tried, and I have tried a lot of the popular ones (Border Down, Deathsmiles, R-Type-series, Gradius-series, Einhänder, Darius-series, U.N. Squadron, Thunder Force-series, Progear etc). It's vertical all the way for me.

But I still love the shooters on PCE for some reason, that was even the primary reason for getting a PC Engine in the first place.

What a strange point of view.

[SamIAm]

Actually, the thing that I find most disappointing about Cave games is that they've stylistically sold out to the anime crowd over the last decade or so. Back in the Dodonpachi days, their visuals were cultivating a very tight angular-perspective low-res look. I don't know how much of that was hand-drawn or computer assisted, but it was a unique style and a good example of 2D video game art. Nowadays, I feel like they just throw in whatever background they can pre-render fastest and bank on a bunch of anime lolis to catch people's interest.

Ketsui, however, is the shit. There's not a single aspect of that game that I don't like.

[dq333]

Bah forget cave games, the real big hits on the Sega Saturn are Radiant Silvergun, Layer Section, Battle Garegga, Batsugun (ok some of Toaplan formed Cave) and Soukyugurentai.  Layer Section is unbelievable.  The music is the best, the gameplay is challenging, the weapon system while simple just feels right, and there are no bombs to save your ass.  The graphics are gorgeous and reminds me of old school shooters but jazzed up.  Watch some vids and tell me if this game ain't epic. 


Off to play Einhander; gotta love the techno soundtrack.  To the guy who doesn't like horizontal, come on Gradius V was the Shizuoka (iPAD inserted that one )

[Bernie]

Sounds like you are taking a indirect (cheap) shot at me.
As a fan, I have been collecting Pc-Engine games over the past several years, so it makes no f*cking sense for me to sell my Pc-Engine.
I still like the system.

Touchy any?    I wasn't referring to "YOU" in particular..  

[Obfuscate]

I am having hard going back to the PCE shmups.
They seem dated to me now in terms of presentation and game play.

Sucks for you......




....but you'll be back

[spenoza]

I love shooters, but I have trouble with ones that are too simple or too complex (especially complex scoring and tiered systems and bullet hell crap). The PCE is a great platform because there are a number of shooters which are straight-forward. They give you options for dealing with enemies but they don't cause you to flip out.

[Tatsujin]

PCE is shooter king, that was decided since day one.

[Starfighter]

Have you tried Gate of Thunder?

I don't... think so. I can't really remember. Should I?

What a strange point of view.

Haha, yes! I think you could say that about most of my opinions.

To the guy who doesn't like horizontal, come on Gradius V was the Shizuoka (iPAD inserted that one )

I actually played Gradius V for quite some time! But I never fell in love with it.

[Samurai Ghost]

Have you tried Gate of Thunder?

I don't... think so. I can't really remember. Should I?

YES, yes, Yes, YESSSS!!!, ... yes. Play it.

[Starfighter]

YES, yes, Yes, YESSSS!!!, ... yes. Play it.

Damn, the software bible tells me it's on disc! I don't have a duo. But... it seems to have been released on PSN as well, maybe I'll check it out there!