PC-FX +XRGB + SVIDEO

[Ji-L87]

Any suggestion for 240i/p S-Video upscaler to component or HDMI for those TV that don't have S-Video port?  Mine has 2 composite, 3 component, 3 HDMI, and a VGA but no S-Video (only 1 year old)

I tried one from Best Buy but not only was it way overpriced, there were probably half a second lag between my action and what appeared on the screen, which is bad for games like Blazing Lazers.  I know it's not my HDMI, my brother had his PS3 hooked when he came for the weekend, and there was no noticeable lag.

HDMI/component will not lag as much as anything else because you can feed your monitor a video signal in it's native resolution (either 720p or 1080p).
Anything below that will have to be scaled up from a lower resolution and possibly converted to progressive as well.

This, coupled with post-processing (which may or may not be defeated through "Game"-mode) is mainly what adds noticeable input lag in modern HD TV sets.

It's possible that such as simple thing as this might solve your connection problems - but maybe not your input lag problems.

Edit: Scratch that - that adapter might not work. : /

[fraggore]

the FX using SVideo on my samsung tv looked good havent tryed it in my scaller.

picked this delightful little number up on ebay for £24 http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/displayProduct.jsp?sku=AV13009&CMP=e-2072-00001000
works nice on the pc engine on my monitor cant realy notice any lag.

[Ji-L87]

picked this delightful little number up on ebay for £24 http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/displayProduct.jsp?sku=AV13009&CMP=e-2072-00001000
works nice on the pc engine on my monitor cant realy notice any lag.

Looks very interesting, especially for the price you found it for How's the deinterlacing, or rather, how does it handle a game with "flicker effects", like flashing shadows and so on. Do they flash, or are they constantly visible?

[fraggore]

well i havent got the pc-fx connected to test but i have the duo set-up just been trying a few games image fight when you start you flicking that works fine as do all the soldier games the only game i noticed lines in was gates of thunder on the shield and the search lights on the big ship on level one.

haven't noticed anything else in the other games i have used, To be honest for £20 it was a bargin wasn't expecting the world but it does a pretty good job just cant beleave what they are trying to charge for it. also running the consoles with a SLG Scart scan line generator didn't know if i liked it at first but getting used to it now.

would love to see a XRGB framister in action and see the diffrence.

[TurboCro]

Framemeister looks best when processing RGB signals. I think the s-vid would prolly look just ok, but the FX would have to be RGB modded to take full advantage of it.

[SuperDeadite]

Framemeister looks best when processing RGB signals. I think the s-vid would prolly look just ok, but the FX would have to be RGB modded to take full advantage of it.

Lol, the whole point of this topic was that FX's S-Video with an XRGB can look quite decent.  There is no way to RGB mod an FX, it simply can't be done, unless someone has come up with some major vodoo recently.

[Arkhan]

Yes it still looks damn fine now, as I just played it yesterday, like a boss.

[TurboCro]

Lol, the whole point of this topic was that FX's S-Video with an XRGB can look quite decent.  There is no way to RGB mod an FX, it simply can't be done, unless someone has come up with some major vodoo recently.

Aha, excuse my n00biness. I had no idea you couldn't RGB mod an FX.

I'm using an XRGB Mini for my consoles right now, and the difference between RGB versus encoded signals is pretty staggering.

[thesteve]

Lol, the whole point of this topic was that FX's S-Video with an XRGB can look quite decent.  There is no way to RGB mod an FX, it simply can't be done, unless someone has come up with some major vodoo recently.

Aha, excuse my n00biness. I had no idea you couldn't RGB mod an FX.

I'm using an XRGB Mini for my consoles right now, and the difference between RGB versus encoded signals is pretty staggering.

stop trying to get me to do more voodoo............LOL

[chadti99]

I connected my newly acquired PCFX via s-video to my XRGB Mini and the picture quality is damn near close to RGB, I'm very pleased.

[kazekirifx]

Is using an XRGB really any better than a TV with a good S-video input on it?

[Ji-L87]

Is using an XRGB really any better than a TV with a good S-video input on it?

If CRT, no, it should work perfectly without it. If HD display, well, the signal should still have to go through the whole deinterlacing/scaling process so Input lag would still be a thing, and that's where the units like the XRGB should come into play. Even if the picture might look good just connected to the TV.

But if the TV has a good Game mode, it's really up to each and their own if they're happy with the results they're getting
I think, in many cases it's not the input lag that might put people off but flawed deinterlacing resulting in artefacts and other unplreasantries.
My Sony did that, albeit only happens with some special effects and the like, such as flickering effects .

[kazekirifx]

Isn't it possible that some HDTVs apply some laggy processing to an RGB signal too, not just NTSC?

[Ji-L87]

Isn't it possible that some HDTVs apply some laggy processing to an RGB signal too, not just NTSC?

Hm...this is starting to go outside my technical comfort zone (read: feel free to correct or call me out on it) but yes. As far as I understand, just because the de-interlacing process is done, and even if the image sent to the display matches the TV's preffered resolution and doesn't need to be scaled up, it's still possible it won't go untouched.

So, yes, some kind of after processing might get applied. As you've said though, this is different between different units. As far as I've heard, even if one were to use the "game mode"-function, which is there to shut down/cut down on unnecessary image processing, they're not the same between brands or even different models within the same brand.

In short: even if you plug an RGB scart into the back of the display, the image will still need to be scaled. And even when feeding the display from an external scaler, it might still get processed by the TV, and this will differ from model & brand.

[Tatsujin]

I'll take some pics.  It's on a 55" Sony Bravia w/ SVIDEO, and it looks baller. 

where are these some pics?

sure thing wanna see it.