HuCards that look as good as SNES games

[RegalSin]

Okay the SNES, and Genesis programming wise could not out do a PCE.
The SNES and Genesis are both using boards cassettes, while the PCE is using boards......credit card sized things. Of course the SNES would have the storage capabilities, that out weighs a PCE card.

Vampire Kiss on the SNES compared to the PCE is a completly differnt, and smaller PCE game. I was reading their was an actual computer port of the SNES game???

Y's4 is another example of the above. They downsized a brilliant game to make it so that is appears like two differnt versions, The same with Mega Bomberman on the Genesis, PCE, and SNES.

A better example is Shin Mega Tensi series. The SNES got the whole shebang, but the PCE and the Mega Drive only got the first game. Why? Because they probably tallied up the sales total, and decided it was best to sell on the SNES.

The same could be said for the fallout of the Saturn generation. You
could be apart of the "now" generation or what was best. It was obvious that the gaming communities wanted to keep the Saturn as prime. However the PSX 3d programming was already being programmed from 1991 ( from a company who speciality was televisions, computers, and sound systems that is a simple death wish ).

All of the entire SNES games could run and play well, on the PCE. Why didn't they do it? Because they were worried about sales, and profits. From my understanding in Japan. They make more games then they need to produce, and that is why we have so many new games out their in the wild? 

Hudson, Sega, and NEC all were once greats but in reality like the Amiga,
Apple, and Atari they are really the underdogs. Everybody knows their potentials, and why they should be considered best but to keep up with
coperate, and consumer standards is like fighting a wall of fire.

We all know the PCE was and is better, then the SNES, and Genesis combined. We even know the PCE was better then the all the SEGA modifications to the original Genesis. The PCE could take on the Saturn
with the right equipment, but Hudson I believe was far from doing battle along with NEC being the upper hand over EA games suggestion.

Then the N64 had westerners approval for the usage of the Silicon Graphic workstations ( which made it easier for 3d development for the west ).

Everybody simply wants that crutch or crotch to stand on. So they do not have to gamble at their chances of sales. It is like how everybody wear the latest fashion trends to feel they belong, or that they are smart, or how vendors all buy expensive celluar phones, and flat screen televisions to look as if the store is doing well.

[futureman2000]

Everybody simply wants that crutch or crotch to stand on.

Word.

[esteban]

I've found that it's usually casual players who have generic top lists, because they don't really explore catalogs and never try games that don't fall within popular genres unless they're told they're hip to be aware of. The language barrier is a deal breaker for these types, but it never even gets that far for it to be an issue.

Too often when people dismiss the PCE, they say they know everything there is to know about it because they've tried or seen Lords of Thunder and Dracula X. Mention a game they've never heatd of and they'll point out that it can't be any good if they've never heard about it, just like the Turbo/PCE in general.

The SNES gets unfairly trashed too often the same way as well, usually by Genesis fans. One popular argument is that only the 10% of RPGs which were released in English count and if they can't get into a game or it's from a genre they don't play, then it sux.

Well said.  .

[RyuHayabusa]

Something that seems to have been overlooked in this discussion are possible reasons why games ported between the PCE - SNES - Mega Drive may be better or worse other than hardware strengths and weaknesses. For instance, some ports are done by different companies and we all know that some companies are known for good ports and others put out absolute shit. Outrun on the PCE was excellent and was ported by NEC Avenue, whereas the Mega Drive port was done by Hertz and wasn't as good. Ys III was ported by Hudson on the PCE while Tonkin House did the SNES port. Not all developers are equal. All one has to do is look at Golden Axe, developed by Telenet, to see that some developers just do not know how to exploit the power of the platform they're making games for. We all know the PCE could do better than that. I defy you to tell me that Strider on the PCE looks better than the MD port. The colors are terrible, the lightning effects on stage 2 are terrible as well, along with many other things, plus it was on the Arcade Card. Why? Because NEC Avenue made a shit port with the exception of the soundtrack.

It's been touched on already but the storage medium used plays a huge part as well. Ghouls N Ghosts looked great at the time it came out for the MD but pales in comparison to the SGX port. Besides the SGX being more powerful, it was 8mb versus 5mb for the MD. With those extra 3mb of space they were able to put more background tiles in, more animation, etc. Given the extra memory the MD port could've been almost as good. All the missing roots in the hillside on stage 1 would be there, the level 1 boss animation would be there, etc. Forgotten Worlds is another example. The PCE port is a Super CD and allows for so many more background tiles, animations, etc. The MD port was 4mb I believe, while the the PCE could use 2mb per level. Admittedly that Sphinx boss looks like ass but it could've been better.

Lastly, I'm a huge PCE fan, been collecting for over 10 years, owned nearly every piece of PCE hardware, owned tons of games, etc, but gotta say that all the SNES hate is kinda crazy. Too many great games on that console to bash it.

[Mathius]

I don't understand the SNES hate either though I understand (but not really agree with) the arguments. I love the SNES! And the PCE! And the MD! And the NES! And the Neo Geo! And the N64! ...and I can go on, and on, and on, and....

[esteban]

To build on what Ryu and Mathius have already said: I don't understand the SNES hate! Very silly.

Cook wants the hate to take a permanent vacation.

[roflmao]

Agreed. 

[soop]

Definitely.  Over at Sega 16 I see ridiculous threads bashing the SNES or the PC Engine, which I don't get involved in, and I feel kind of pleased that we don't have that crap in the PCE community.  I like to think of it as a reflection that we know what we're talking about.

But I have and play all 3, have games I love on all of them, and despite their flaws I wouldn't change any of them.

I just like the PC Engine more

[Tatsujin]

Over at Sega 16 I see ridiculous threads bashing the SNES

OK, this is one thing.

or the PC Engine

but this is just ridiculous

[grahf]

Definitely.  Over at Sega 16 I see ridiculous threads bashing the SNES or the PC Engine...

Not only on Sega 16, unfortunately. To me, this phenomenon seems mostly relegated  to the SMS and MD/Genesis fans. There is a tremendous amount of hate from these guys towards other systems (especially SNES), but not the same amount in the other direction.

 I think it might have a lot to do with Sega's marketing in the US. Sega made it cool to hate the SNES, and I think a lot of Genesis fans seem to still be brainwashed from the TV commercials.

[soop]

Well, as a kid, I didn't like a lot of MD games.  I saw it as a bit of a 3rd rate system compared to my Amiga, but it's the same with anything, the quality of the titles you're exposed to means a hell of a lot, and Gynoug, Quack Shot, Streets of Rage and Sonic couldn't balance out Wrestle War, Last Battle, Ecco, Desert Strike* and all the countless football games.  Years later, I got to choose my own games (rather than play for half an hour at friends houses) and I got to like the system for what it was.

The opposite happened with my friend.  He was so drawn in by the legend, Yu Suzuki, Space Harrier, Outrun, and Thunderforce, that he's nearly exclusively Sega.  He went Megadrive, Saturn, Dreamcast... and pretty much stopped there. He plays some stuff that's not current gen and I think he owns a GBA, but that's how much the Sega bug bit him.

*these games are not necessarily bad, but they're either too deep to get into in a short time, or too shallow  to want to pay more than £2 for

My Megadrive is currently unplugged.

[Arkhan]

Man, does anyone else remember being littler and not giving two f*cks what system was what?

I used to play Sega and Turbob at the same time.

lol.

[Nando]

Man, does anyone else remember being littler and not giving two f*cks what system was what?

I used to play Sega and Turbob at the same time.

lol.

Yes but marketers did a good job of creating these messages that pushed the hatorade that we see now. Ultimately what we learn is that the power of advertising IS STRONG like the dark side.

Now on to collect those retro machines that made you happy and discover a whole bunch of new ones.


Oh and as far as graphics, IMO, it's a matter of art direction, and knowing what to do with what a systems gives you.

[soop]

Man, does anyone else remember being littler and not giving two f*cks what system was what?

I used to play Sega and Turbob at the same time.

lol.

Nope.  I was pretty poor when I was a kid, and I could only really afford one system, and every birthday or xmas, getting a few games for that system.

Mine was my Amiga. I used my Dad's, and I got my first A500 after I sold my Speccy and my C64 to fund it and never looked back.

I used to get the occasional magazine after the SNES and Megadrive came out, and I had friends with those systems.  But there was no way I could afford a second system until much later, and reviews and screenshots played an important part of the decision making process!

[Arkhan]

At least the Amiga looked sweet, and had some of the same games.

Some of them really blow on Amiga though because of the stupid 1 button design.