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spenoza

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Fake electric guitar in PSG
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:33:05 AM »
OK, so you know the crappy electric guitar samples they used a lot on Amiga and SNES (think Mega Man X), and they try to approximate using FM synth on the Mega Drive? Well, are there any PC Engine PSG tracks (not CD, cause that's easy, yo) that attempt to in some way approximate electric guitar? What's your favorite and do you like how they do it?
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 11:36:00 AM »
Whenever someone mentions "fake electric guitar" the one piece of music I always think of is this one track in Dungeon Explorer where they use some sort of synth PSG instrument to approximate a "guitar" solo. And yeah, I love it.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 11:58:16 AM »
Devil's Crush.  The leads in that sound wicked and are obviously guitar.

Any PSG guitar style shit is better than that sampled pretend guitar bullshit

[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 11:59:57 AM »
Fake guitar sounds better on the PCE than it does on the Genesis or SNES.  The SNES Capcom guitars sound REALLY bad (UN Squadron is almost unlistenable for me).  Some Genesis guitars sound like a kazoo.  There are good examples on both systems, though, like Super Off Road on SNES and Thunder Force IV (kind of) on the Genesis.  But maybe the PCE sounds more pleasant because it isn't as harsh or as muffled.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 12:27:21 PM »
For me, the sound used doesn't make a part of a PCE PSG track feel like guitar music as much as the composition performance.

Neutopia's final boss music has a system genetated sound that is a pretty good aproximation of distorted guitar.
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2012, 01:19:56 PM »
Fake guitar sounds better on the PCE than it does on the Genesis or SNES.  The SNES Capcom guitars sound REALLY bad (UN Squadron is almost unlistenable for me). 


Ken's theme in Super SFII for SNES is pretty awesome.

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I agree that most were bad though. It was basically a fad that worked really well in the arcade (Sega, SNK, Capcom) but not so great at home with lower spec stuff.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2012, 03:28:30 PM »
They improved a bit for Street Fighter 2 but it still has that unappealing GWAAH GWAAH sound.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2012, 04:19:58 PM »


Here's a kickass example of SNES synth guitar, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest - Doom Castle theme.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2012, 04:36:20 PM »
Eh.  Super Off Road sounds better.  Many Genesis games with fake guitars sound better.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2012, 05:04:18 PM »
Eh.  Super Off Road sounds better.  Many Genesis games with fake guitars sound better.

Name a few. I've never been much of a fan of the MD sound chip personally. There is some good stuff out there musically like Gley Lancer but I've always preferred the PCE and SNES sound hardware.

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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2012, 05:34:41 PM »
Roland Synth Guitar from 1990!  Including the computer, Midi interface, module, pcm card, and game, this setup would have cost about $7,000 back then lol.
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2012, 05:44:15 PM »
Ken's theme in Super SFII for SNES is pretty awesome.


His theme is generally pretty cool, but this rendition of it is not. The rhythm guitar sounds like a chainsaw with the hiccups, and the melody line, which sounds like it is supposed to be kinda brassy, actually sounds a little like a strangled goat. Also, your link is broken.



Here's a kickass example of SNES synth guitar, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest - Doom Castle theme.


That is actually a much better example, though it still reeks of chainsaw.
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2012, 06:33:05 PM »
That is actually a much better example, though it still reeks of chainsaw.

No shit.  You won't find a sampled powerchord sound from this era of gaming that doesn't sound like this.

Also, Mystic Quest has the best power chorded sampling of any game from this entire area.

This is all far better than the crap that was running wild on the Amiga.  Menace has some of the most horrendous sampled guitar ever. 

We're also leaving out Skate or Die 2 on NES.  There is some kick ass guitar shit going on there in the title song.
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 12:41:56 AM »
If tim follin had done any work for the pce, it would be the instant winner in this category.
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Re: Fake electric guitar in PSG
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 01:18:24 AM »
If tim follin had done any work for the pce, it would be the instant winner in this category.


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