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ParanoiaDragon

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Re: Religion
« Reply #330 on: November 11, 2011, 03:19:32 PM »
I also agree, there is good already in man in general.  That's not saying there aren't evil people, I think there are.  But even religion-less people do good deeds...........along with religious people that do truly wicked things.

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« Reply #331 on: November 11, 2011, 11:35:43 PM »
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steven Weinberg
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« Reply #332 on: November 12, 2011, 06:03:01 AM »
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steven Weinberg

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Re: Religion
« Reply #333 on: November 12, 2011, 05:28:08 PM »
I'm a Catholic. I feel bad that I don't go to church as often as I should. Damn lazyness and NFL on Sunday  :evil:

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« Reply #334 on: November 12, 2011, 08:55:47 PM »
That's OK.  Tim Tebow is religious so you can get your god-time through him while watching football.

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Re: Religion
« Reply #335 on: November 22, 2011, 10:07:27 AM »
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« Reply #336 on: November 22, 2011, 02:54:02 PM »
I don't see anything about anyone raping a girl in verses 28 & 29.  To me it sounds like a guy & girl who got their freak on & she lost her virginity, etc.  So then he has to pay 50 silver shekels to the father & they must get married. 

Even then, that was only under the Mosaic Law which ended technically when the Messiah arrived, but officially it ended I believe around 70 CE when I think the temple was destroyed by Rome, the Israelites no longer had a temple or alter, or the Ark of the Covenant, so they couldn't even continue officially with the Law anymore.  I think some believe that the Ark may have been taken when captured by Babylon, but I'm not sure which took what.  Either way,  the Law was done away with, I think atleast partially due to the Israelite nation being spread out because of their capture by the Babylonians, & plus the allowance of gentiles into what I think is called spiritual Israel.  At that point, there was no longer a specific nation that had special privlidges(including many gentiles that were called at the time, Jewish proselytes IIRC).

Back to the rape thing, offhand, the only thing I can think of that would sound like rape was involved was a scripture that implied that if a girl didn't scream loud enough or something to that effect, they wouldn't call it rape.  I forget exactly, but either way, I think it's more about was she trying to scream, or was she actually consenting, maybe even later claimed it to be rape(like some women do today unfortunately) even though she consented when they were getting their freak on.  I don't remember if that was in the Hebrew or Greek scriptures.  Probably doesn't matter honestly, but if a law is in the Hebrew scriptures, that doesn't mean it can be applied in the Greek scriptures since the Law had passed away. 

Even then, in regards to laws that were broken intentionally or even unintentionally under Mosaic Law, there's nothing that says that people who were put to death for breaking the law, wouldn't be resurected later along with both the righteous & unrighteous & given another chance.  The only time I know of when people won't be resurected is when they die at Armageddon, or if they sinned against the holy spirit, like the priests who conspired to have Jesus put to death.  Even then, I can't say anyone for sure, as only God is the judge, it's up to him.

As always, this is just what I believe at this point in life, & that doesn't mean I'm right.  Hell, maybe all of us are wrong, maybe there's something nobody's ever even thought of that is "the truth".  But, we deffinitly keep learning more as time goes on, so, assuming we don't nuke ourselves in World War 3, we'll all continue to learn about what makes up life as we know it.

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Re: Religion
« Reply #337 on: November 22, 2011, 03:01:35 PM »
That deuteronomy version is the NIV not KJV.
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« Reply #338 on: November 22, 2011, 04:05:01 PM »
Yeah, I was thinking about that, there's probably some translations that sound like rape.  Either way, I'm sure scholars will continue to learn more & more about the original languages used in the Bible.  So there could still be plenty of things that we're off on in regards to various scriptures, so even now there could still be mistranslations in every Bible up to this very day, making it hard if not impossible for many to believe the Bible.

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« Reply #339 on: November 23, 2011, 05:21:31 AM »
Here are the passages for those interested in clarification:

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  28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,

    29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

I think it's mostly because once a woman is 'violated', she is worth less in monetary terms (in those days in that area), so she is forced to marry her rapist and her father is compensated.

Rapists get off lightly compared to adulterers though:

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22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,

    24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death— the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

    25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.

That's some twisted logic right there.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #340 on: November 23, 2011, 09:15:20 AM »
So do you get killed for raping or a new wife?  The Bible does not make this clear.

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« Reply #341 on: November 23, 2011, 10:02:58 AM »
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« Reply #342 on: November 23, 2011, 02:54:59 PM »
Wierd, I've never read that version of those scriptures before.  In the NWT there's no mention of rape or anything.  Infact, it implies that if it's found out what "they" did(not he, but they), then he must pay the 50 shekels for fornicating, etc. etc.  It's no wonder people hate the Bible, especially when stuff ends up being translated like that.  I think I have an NIV laying around somewhere, but havne't read it much. People who believe in God being 3 people & an immortal soul, etc. seem to go to that translation these days.  Since I don't believe in that stuff, I haven't done alot of research on that particular Bible, though, I have done a few comparisons & found area's in the NIV that still made it sound like God & Jesus are seperate, & that a person's soul dies, which goes against what most people believe.

Even still, I wonder how much translator's will learn as time marches on.  There could still be things that every translator is waaaaaaay off on for all I know.

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Re: Religion
« Reply #343 on: November 23, 2011, 07:55:22 PM »
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Wierd, I've never read that version of those scriptures before.

That's another thing I take issue with.  Which version is correct?  How can you prove that such-and-such a version of a passage is the right one?  If it is God's word, then why is it modified?  God's word should be God's word, no?  You don't go changing that around unless you are simply making adjustments to fit the needs of your particular sect.  In that sense, you have already taken God out of the equation.

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Re: Religion
« Reply #344 on: November 24, 2011, 05:55:54 AM »
It's a bit of a stretch that the most powerful being in the multiverse can't make sure that all translations are accurate to his meaning. Just a subtle nudge of inspiration here and there would do it.

Perhaps he will have to perform another human sacrifice to sort it all out again soon.
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