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ParanoiaDragon

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« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2005, 06:40:27 PM »
Um, actually, people know I listen to hip hop, & sometimes watch rated R movies(though it's rare for me to watch those).  Infact, my dad is an elder, & has watched rated R movies, & knows that I sometimes do, but at the same time, none of these things are things that we go around promoting.  None of these things are immoral or anything, they're just not recomended.  Also, I would never play Doom 3, or anything like that, those games are fricken disgusting IMO.  Would I even want to be an elder?  No, that's not something I think I'm capable of.  But, I'm totally my own individual, & people know & see that, like they see everyone else in our congregation as individuals, so I don't see your point.  There's things some of us might be into, that we're not going to promote, even if they are clean, like most the hip hop I listen to, because I don't like cussing.  In otherwords, we don't go around telling people, hey, we watched this movie, or listened to this album, what'd be the point in that.

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« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2005, 09:34:26 PM »
http://www.macgregorministries.org/jw_lawyers.html

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/88139/1.ashx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/42103/1.ashx

http://anevsky.blogspot.com/2005/04/jws-and-orthodoxes.html

http://www.freeminds.org/buss/gary_feedback.htm


The links could go on and on,but I figure a few of you on here might find this stuff informing,or entertaining,or useless.Depends on how you look at it I suppose.
The first link,all its information,everything it states,I can attest to and say its all truth.I divorced a JWs daughter,who at the time was still attending the Kingdom Hall,and the tactics listed did happen to me to the T,my divorce was bitter,and lasted 2 years,and cost me a fortune,and after all this,the supposedly wonderful loving JW daughter turned out to be a repeate clepto,probation violating,harrassing,child molesting meth addict whore,whose parents covered up for all these years untill now,after they started to realize their religion was not going to change,or save their daughter,and that they were in fact wrong,and taht what they did cause more harm to their grandchildren then they will ever wish to admit to taking even 1 percent of responsibility for.If they wouldnt have continusly back stabbed me,backed me when their daughter started her path to begin with,nothing would have happened to my children.But things like losing eldership at the time were more important.That and back stabbing me because I was a athiest.It didnt mean shit to them because at the time I was evil,I wasnt a JW.There may be a slight posibility,maybe even more then that that your not like this PD,but I think,and there are too many others in the world to account for this and can attest to all over the world,not just in dumb ass arkansas,that the group that you retain membership with is infact made up of  a majority of spineless puppets,and inconsiderate asswipes,and mindless conformist.If you are infact what you say you are,and there were more people like you leading the group,being the "Elders",maybe youd stand a chance and have a shot at changing this image,but as it stands,this image was earned,with alot of hard work.I understand and feel sorry for you.Its hard to admit,to see outside what your taught,what you grew up to believe,and evolve.I knwo youd argue this up and down and state Im wrong,but I along with "millions" of others have felt the JWs wraith,in one way or another.Anyone here who only has to go through the typical door to door should consider yourselves lucky,because after you slam that door shut,its over.Its also sad that I have to feel like now my ex inlaws are better people then when they were in fact my extended family.They are still heavy JW,and thats fine,but I hate that it took all of this mess that their daughter did to have them finally open their eyes and see how they were being.And I cant even begin to imangine how it is for them,at the age of 60 now,to have to go trough all this.I really feel sorry for them.I think if they could have been people first,JWs second,soem of the thinsg that happened could have,would have been avoided.But the past cant be changed,and I hope they dont carry the burden of regret.Their daughter is their own person.
O yea,btw PD,I have never known any guy who has fallen for a JW girl.Not once.When I met my ex,she was fully against her parents.She didnt start to agree with their views untill it served her purposes.Once it didnt anymore,she ditched those views,86 them.
Id rather have a Doom playing,r watching,NIN loving woman,or for that matter a opera loving book reading,multi religion studing,openminded woman at my side,not  a single minded,told what to do,programed for Jehova fearing robot child who couldnt survive if seperated from the Borg woman,or girl,any day of the week.

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« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2005, 09:36:40 PM »
Come on PD,just try some 2Live Crew,it will be good for ya!!!

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« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2005, 04:49:55 AM »
Mike, you make some good points, but as I had to learn from my experiences with bad Christians, not everyone is the same, regardless of the label they bear. It is true that a good number of people cling so fiercely to their religion that common sense rolls off of them like water off of a duck's back. But not everyone is like that. PD is a good example of a JW who isn't a zealot or a fundamentalist. If he was, I wouldn't be able to work with him. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a censor, whining and babbling on about the moral ramifications of the work I do, and a censor who's also a religious zealot is the absolute worst and gives me thoughts of "returning in kind" what happened to me and my late ex. Most of Frozen Utopia is religious in some way, only a few of us are atheist, yet we all get along because we have one thing that a great deal of people do not have, and that is tolerance.

It's good to be atheist, and it's good to fight ignorance whenever it rears its ugly head. But, also realize two things: those who choose to remain ignorant are not worthy of you and your time, and there will always be ignorant people in this world...they provide us with two things: a shining example of what kind of person NOT to be, and quite frankly...a great source of entertainment. :D

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« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2005, 07:43:19 AM »
Wow, those links are hilarious, especially things like calling one's mate an agent of Satan, so to speak, as if they have some link to Satan, that's a good laugh.  And a good Witness never divorces someone, just because their mate is of another religion.  The only ground for divorce, is adultery, that's it, that's what's in the Bible.  When a so called Witness divorces someone on any other grounds, we're not happy with that, since it goes against the Bible's principles, but we still associate with them.

A cult???  That's one of the biggest laughs in there.  As I already stated, a cult is a group that follows a human individual........who the hell is this guy that we supposedly follow??  And since when to we not associate with non JW relatives?  That's a new one :lol:   And a person will die at Armageddon, if they don't get there children away from their non believing mate, wow, don't know where they pulled that one out of, they obviously haven't done their research.  And, btw, lying is a sin, lyer's will not inherit God's kingdom, so, the notion that we'd lie to anyone, just to get our children, blah blah, total BS.  Justitfied lying, wow, that's hilarious.

Elderly people that are lonely are easy to so called "convert"?  Quite the opposite!  Most elderly people are set in their ways, & don't want to think about anything else.

I'm sorry, there's just too much BS in there to even comment on, I could go on forever, but it wouldn't matter, you have your own opinion, & your entitled to that.

BTW, this thread was started by K, just to see what people's beliefs were, not to go around saying what's wrong with other peoples beliefs.  I'm sure I'm guilty too, since I put down Christmas & such, so I probably shouldn't have done that in the manner that I did.

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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2005, 07:45:23 AM »
Oh, & 2 Live Crew sucks IMO, they're not the most intelligent group IMO.  I'm more of an Aceyalone, Jurassic 5, Public Enemy, etc. kind of guy :)

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« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2005, 05:43:10 AM »
I was joking about 2Live Crew,because of the cussing,just wanted to yank your chain.

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« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2005, 10:03:38 AM »
I figured as much :D   I listen to some hip hop with cussing, especially when there's a group that I love, but there's no clean version, like with some of the Wu-tang's stuff, though sometimes I make my own clean version.  I just feel that cussing takes away from what's being said in a song, so when I hear alot of it, it's a turn off to me.

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« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2007, 09:32:12 AM »
Nice points, Nod. I'm not an athiest and I even agree with your points. I never understood that "Pagan is bad" thing either.


From an Islamic perspective, "Pagan is bad" only if the Pagan rituals are not based on Truth. Glorifying Truth is glorifying Allah, but Glorifying "other than the truth" is glorifying something other than Allah. (Qur'An 21:18)

There is a story in this Surah (chapter) of the Qur'An about Abraham, and some pagans/idolators (Qur'An 21:51-75). To summarize the story, the prophet Abraham happens upon a group of pagans, who worship stone idols. Abraham tells them that Allah is God, and Abraham tells them that he plans to plot against their idols. Abraham destroys the idols except for the chief idol, and asks the idolators to ask the chief who destroyed the rest of the idols. They were made to realize that their pagan traditions were not based on Truth. Abraham says clearly that their pagan gods do neither good nor harm, and that worshipping them makes no sense. The pagans became angry and tried to kill Abraham, but Abraham was delivered by Allah and was able to escape.

Since the pagans in this story chose to value their pagan traditions more than the real Truth, the traditions are "bad" from an Islamic perspective. They only serve to waste time and take people away from submitting to the Truth.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=59&chapter=5&verse=21&version=50&context=verse

In answer to Keranu's original question about what our religious beliefs are, I'm a Muslim, and I believe that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is the last and greatest Messenger of Allah.

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« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2007, 09:38:44 AM »
I am not an atheist, as the term atheism implies another set of beliefs. Rather, I'm an anti-theist patiently waiting for a post-theist society.  8)


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« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2007, 09:40:00 AM »
I am not an atheist, as the term atheism implies another set of beliefs. Rather, I'm an anti-theist patiently waiting for a post-theist society.  8)

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« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2007, 09:55:45 AM »
And like Lazarus, this thread has risen.

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« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2007, 09:58:32 AM »
And like Lazarus, this thread has risen.

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Always a cool thing about this forum...

You never know what long-forgotten post will be risen from the ashes...

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I wonder if Keranu is still into Islam??

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« Reply #73 on: October 17, 2007, 10:03:28 AM »
This is a really weird topic

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« Reply #74 on: October 17, 2007, 10:27:14 AM »
So, yeah, I'm an Atheist too. (i wonder if they put anti-religion hypno-chips in the TG16?)

i kinda took a while to get there. I was sort of deistic for a while, and then I had this stupid wiccan phase, and then I was Agnostic, and then  I realized it was all baloney.

It's funny that we get all huffy and mad over game console arguments but are pretty laid back about religion  :-s
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