Religion

[ceti alpha]

It's funny that we get all huffy and mad over game console arguments but are pretty laid back about religion  Eh?

Atheism does what religion don't!!!   

Who says we don't get huffy? hehe

[Keranu]

In answer to Keranu's original question about what our religious beliefs are, I'm a Muslim, and I believe that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is the last and greatest Messenger of Allah.

http://www.noi.org/

Wow, a Nation of Islam Muslim on the forums! Asalaam alaikum wa rahmatuallah wa barakatuh! When I originally posted how I didn't think pagans were bad, I was referring to a more modern version of pagans, not like the old Meccan ones who did various nasty acts like killing daughters and sacrificing children, etc... I'm well aware of Ibrahim's (saw) story and it's mentioned in other parts of the Quran as well and he's one of the prophets I look up to the most and is a real strong point in the history of Islam.

I wonder if Keranu is still into Islam??

I'm probably a trillion times more into Islam than I was when I first made this post, haha. I made this back before I even said shahadah. It's good to see other brothers on the forum.

[Joe Redifer]

I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic high school.  I was never very religious and didn't really even think about it until I met someone who actually believed in the Adam and Eve story in the Bible.  I didn't say anything to him, but I just couldn't comprehend that someone, anyone, could actually hold that as actual truth!  That made me take a long hard look at religion as a whole, and I decided it was illogical.  I suppose I am an atheist since I don't believe in any gods, but I don't like that term since it sounds kind of abrasive.  When I asked I prefer to say that I'm not religious.

I think religion is mainly used for power and money these days.  Lots of people are religious because they were raised that way and cannot imagine things being any other way.  Others are religious because they simply want to believe in an afterlife and immortality (re: fear of death).  I do not think one needs religion to have morals.  The belief in gods has always seemed rather primitive, and most religions got their start back when there was little scientific understanding of, well, anything.  How the hell is man going to rationalize his creation in those days?  Believing in a higher power really is the only way such a simple mind can comprehend it.  But mankind is aging and learning more and more.  While we certainly don't know everything and never could, I think religion will be well on the decline for the next couple hundred years or so. 

I really like this quote: "When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things."  That's is just awesome.  Think of mankind as the child in this scenario.  When he was young we created religion.  Now that we are starting to mature, many are seeing differently and will continue to do so into the foreseeable future.

All religions are wrong.  If they weren't, why would there be so many?  Wouldn't god want everyone to believe in the correct way?  What makes YOUR religion the correct one and every other religion the wrong one (I'm not speaking to any specific forum member here)?  If you believe in the wrong religion, you are doing a disservice to god and he might smite you.  Are you absolutely CERTAIN that you believe in the correct religion?  Are you willing to take that risk?

[Kitsunexus]

I don't give a f*ck if anything's up there or not, but it's probably not. I'm like Joe, when someone asks, I'm "not religious".


BUT...

"When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things."

f*ck that. I still buy action figures, eat sugary breakfast cereal, listen to loud annoying techno, watch cartoons, enjoy going to places like Toys 'R Us, play an obsessive amount of videogames, stay up late reading comics, blow things up with firecrackers, mix candy with soda (2 whole boxes of Nerds + 1 bottle Mountain Dew Code Red, baby), shoot things with BB guns, make prank phone calls, find weird bugs and other miscellaneous childish acts.


You and your quote can go to old fogey hell.

[Turbo D]

I'm with Kitsunexus. LoL at old man Redifur 

[ParanoiaDragon]

Hmm, though, as a child, I didn't understand the concept of God, the Bible, Adam & Eve, etc.  Now that I'm older, I do

[Keranu]

Hmm, though, as a child, I didn't understand the concept of God, the Bible, Adam & Eve, etc.  Now that I'm older, I do

Haha, same here.

[Joe Redifer]

*Sigh*

I'm not talking about us as individuals, I'm talking about mankind as a whole.  I guess this is not a good place for comprehension.

I understand the concept of God, Adam and Eve and the Bible.  The problem is that I don't believe in blind faith.  That's retarded.

[Hobo Xiphas]

Hmm, though, as a child, I didn't understand the concept of God, the Bible, Adam & Eve, etc.  Now that I'm older, I do

A Cyberpunk parody taught me the meaning of Adam and Eve

It is an allegory of the liberation of mankind from the evil tyranny of the Me

I don't want any lip from you folks because that is what it really means okay

[ParanoiaDragon]

The evil tyranny of you?  What does Adam & Eve have to do with you & tryanny?

[TR0N]

Don't fool the pope 

Still if you ask me religion is over rated to begin with.

Oh and i haven't gone to a church since i was a kid.

It's hard to take religion seriously when you have idots like,Pat Robertson of the 700 club that make christiany look like a joke 

Oh and btw.

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

[guyjin]

how bibles are made...

[Necromancer]

For someone who's not religious, Joe did a nice job of quoting the bible (Corinthians 13:11).

f*ck that. I still buy action figures, eat sugary breakfast cereal, listen to loud annoying techno, watch cartoons, enjoy going to places like Toys 'R Us, play an obsessive amount of videogames, stay up late reading comics, blow things up with firecrackers, mix candy with soda (2 whole boxes of Nerds + 1 bottle Mountain Dew Code Red, baby), shoot things with BB guns, make prank phone calls, find weird bugs and other miscellaneous childish acts.


You and your quote can go to old fogey hell.

Don't let the hair on your sack fool you, you're still not a man if you're playing with those action figures with the reckless abandon of a four year old, eating the cereal while pitching a fit because your brother took the enclosed toy, or begging mommy to buy you something shiny at TRU and throwing a tantrum when she says no.  There's a profound difference between being a bit immature at times and reasoning as a child would.

[Joe Redifer]

For someone who's not religious, Joe did a nice job of quoting the bible (Corinthians 13:11).

I know, that's one of the reasons I like the quote so much.  I use religion against itself.

[rag-time4]

how bibles are made...

Guyjin, great image. I believe that any real Truth is good enough to follow, even the stories of the Africans menioned in box 1. The fact that much of that Truth has been corrupted and confused later on doesn't make the original Truth any less True.

Sadly, even though the Holy Qur'An is still presented in its original Arabic, there are many sects and divisions within the Arab-speaking Muslim community (which is forbidden by the Qur'An, by the way...).

Even among the Nation of Islam Muslims here in the U.S. there are divisions, particularly between those who accept Brother Minister Farrakhan and those who don't... but with the exception of what happened to Brother Malcolm X, the Nation of Islam Muslims are setting an example on how differing groups can coexist without spilling each others blood.

Wow, a Nation of Islam Muslim on the forums! Asalaam alaikum wa rahmatuallah wa barakatuh! When I originally posted how I didn't think pagans were bad, I was referring to a more modern version of pagans, not like the old Meccan ones who did various nasty acts like killing daughters and sacrificing children, etc... I'm well aware of Ibrahim's (saw) story and it's mentioned in other parts of the Quran as well and he's one of the prophets I look up to the most and is a real strong point in the history of Islam.

I'm probably a trillion times more into Islam than I was when I first made this post, haha. I made this back before I even said shahadah. It's good to see other brothers on the forum.

Wa alaikum salaam brother!

I think just about everyone here will bear witness that you set a great example on how people can get along together peacefully and treat one another with respect.

With regards to pagans, even more peaceful modern ones... I believe that the reason paganism is bad is that it represents belief in "other than the Truth", which is a waste of time. Allah wants humanity, I believe, to submit to the Truth. So when people submit to "other than the Truth," naturally this is in opposition to the Will of Allah.

The condemnation of the "christmas tree" in the book of Jeremiah in the Bible is a good example, I think, of the reason that even relatively harmless pagan traditions are "bad."

This story says essentially the same thing as the story of Abraham I posted above.

This is perhaps my thesis (Jeremiah 10:8 ): "But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine."

Allah doesn't want people to be dull hearted and foolish, following useless customs and wasting time. I believe he wants us to be righteous Muslims, in submission to the Truth.