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Hobo Xiphas

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« Reply #120 on: October 18, 2007, 08:33:56 PM »
Infact, I believe it may be the United Nations itself that will accomplish this.

I'm sorry, but...

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Seriously, the United Nations?  Leading to the abolition of religion?  The same United Nations that can't influence anything in the world?  Mankind has had religion for its entire history, but in 20 years, thanks to the United Nations, it is going to disappear?  Yeah, sure.  And Sega is going to release the missing Shining Force III scenarios for the Saturn in English, too!

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« Reply #121 on: October 18, 2007, 08:51:09 PM »
Yeah, I believe the earth could be millions of years old.  In Genesis, the 6 creative days don't start until after the heavens & the earth were created.  And I believe in dinosaurs!  I think it's wierd, when other Christians think I'm wierd for believing dinosaurs existed!

BTW, you didn't hear the latest?  Sega is releasing the other scenarios via the Wii's VC!  Seriously though, that's what I believe.  If I end up being wrong, oh well, I'm imperfect.
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« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2007, 08:58:38 PM »
Yeah, I believe the earth could be millions of years old.  In Genesis, the 6 creative days don't start until after the heavens & the earth were created.  And I believe in dinosaurs!  I think it's wierd, when other Christians think I'm wierd for believing dinosaurs existed!
I didn't know there were Christians that flat out disbelieved in dinosaurs. I've heard some say that they believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed.
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« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2007, 09:09:11 PM »
Yeah, I've run into some.  It's really strange.  I've also run into some that believe that dinosaurs were made by humans, because back then, humans were smarter.

Hobo Xiphas

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« Reply #124 on: October 18, 2007, 09:09:58 PM »
BTW, you didn't hear the latest?  Sega is releasing the other scenarios via the Wii's VC!  Seriously though, that's what I believe.  If I end up being wrong, oh well, I'm imperfect.

Now I know it is like for Christians relating to Jesus' return, the extreme disappointment in not getting what you want so badly.

Thanks for teasing me, mister meanhead.  [-(

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« Reply #125 on: October 18, 2007, 09:15:06 PM »
Actually, I believe the so called 2nd coming has already happened, but I believe that his presence is totally different then what other Christians believe.  And as for if I end up being wrong, I'm realistic, since we as humans, continue to study & learn, & sometimes what we believe, can be off.  To err is human.

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« Reply #126 on: October 19, 2007, 04:07:19 AM »
What about Anne Coulter's latest comments about Jews? She basically said that Jews should convert to Christianity so they can go to heaven. "Christianity is the 'fast track' to perfection."

She is a monster, to be sure. However, as an atheist I find her comments actually quite funny. If you're going to take the Abrahamic religions as "G-d's" word then she's essentially right.  :P

I cant believe I just sorta agreed with Anne Coulter. Sorta...kinda....barely....not really.




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« Reply #127 on: October 19, 2007, 06:54:39 AM »
What about Anne Coulter's latest comments about Jews?

Anne Coulter is proof of evolution. If you look clearly at her throat, you'll see she evolved from a man.

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« Reply #128 on: October 19, 2007, 08:38:55 AM »
What about Anne Coulter's latest comments about Jews? She basically said that Jews should convert to Christianity so they can go to heaven. "Christianity is the 'fast track' to perfection."

She is a monster, to be sure. However, as an atheist I find her comments actually quite funny. If you're going to take the Abrahamic religions as "G-d's" word then she's essentially right.  :P

I cant believe I just sorta agreed with Anne Coulter. Sorta...kinda....barely....not really.

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Interesting video!

One problem with her statement is that many Christians do not practice God's laws as revealed in the Old Testament.

For example, the eating of swine/pig, as an easy one.

This point wasn't made clear in the video, because the "Jewish" interviewer was upset with the idea that Jews need "perfecting," but I suspect that Anne Coulter and many Christians of her persuasion have discarded the laws of God and believe that by faith in Jesus that they are guaranteed a "fast track to heaven," which is some place that they will go after they die.

I agree with Coulter's statement that Jews (and everybody else) need to strive for perfection, but as a Muslim I see Jesus more as an example of perfection than "a fast track program."

Jesus, I believe, taught us to "follow him" as an example. When he told his followers to "take his cross," he meant that we all have our own cross -- and I don't believe he was talking about a necklace.


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« Reply #129 on: October 19, 2007, 08:40:47 AM »
Actually, I believe the so called 2nd coming has already happened, but I believe that his presence is totally different then what other Christians believe.  And as for if I end up being wrong, I'm realistic, since we as humans, continue to study & learn, & sometimes what we believe, can be off.  To err is human.

May I ask when it happened, according to your belief?

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« Reply #130 on: October 19, 2007, 08:41:27 AM »
Well said Keranu. It's really too bad that many people actually believe that Islam is about hatred.  :(
I don't really think any religion is about hatred and a lack of religion certainly isn't about hatred because it has nothing to be based on  :mrgreen: .

Keranu, what if it's based on hatred of religion?
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« Reply #131 on: October 19, 2007, 09:18:36 AM »

From the sound of this sentence, it sounds like you are saying women grow bears! The hijab (veil, meaning "to cover") is used for women to cover their modesty so perverts don't go peeking at their goodies, it's mentioned in both the Quran and hadiths. The growing of the beard, however, is only mentioned in the Hadiths, which a few Muslims don't even follow.


In the Nation of Islam, men are taught against growing beards. I believe the reason is to present an image of cleanliness and self respect, and also as a practice of discipline, among other reasons (of which I'm not aware)

The hijab is interpreted differently in different countries. In some countries, which are allies of the U.S., such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, a full facial veil is often ideal. In other Muslim societies, such as the Nation of Islam, the face may be uncovered but the hair must still be covered.

I agree with Keranu's explanation as to the reason for the hijab, but to add to it, a higher purpose is to help create a culture where men and women are constantly reminded to interact with one another not based on "lower desires" (natural sexual attraction, etc) but to interact with one another based on "higher desires" (interaction involving thinking)

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No the Quran doesn't insist that women should boil men some sausages when ever he's in the mood. God's creation isn't limited to just Earth and there is Quranic evidence that there are aliens and there is even a commentary of a verse from one of the prophet's companions that states that there are planets like Earth that even contain prophets like the ones here; read more here. I should also comment that we aren't limited to the idea that Earth is only 9,000 or however years old that some Christians claim.


I believe that women were created to be subordinate to men, and men are created to be subordinate to God. When men stray from (or are taken from) the right path, then the order will be disrupted.

Some of the "flying saucer" phenomenon has been mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Ezekiel. It's sometimes referred to as "Ezekiel's wheel" or "the wheel of Ezekiel."

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad refers to it as the "mother plane" and that it will be used as an instrument of divine judgement against America. 


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Also, why are there different sects of Muslims (Sunnies, Shitties, and something else).  Which one isn't the one going to hell?  Is hell fun?


The one that isn't the one going to hell is the one that accepts Allah and His Messenger, and does good.

As for hell being fun, that's an interesting question, but first we'd have to define hell.

Some believe that hell is someplace that some people have to go after they die where they will be burned for eternity. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that the fire must not be very hot, if we can burn forever and never burn up.

I believe that hell is a state of being in which the people do not submit to Allah's instructions - which are in our best interest to submit to since Allah is Good and since Allah is the Greatest Knower. He wouldn't instruct us to do something that is not Good.

However, people that rebel against God's instructions may have a lot of "fun" doing so. For example, there are many people who engage in premarital sex and the use of intoxicants, possibly at the same time. It might be "fun" for them, but I believe, it is not "Good" for them. These people are really in hell, because they are not doing Good for themselves.

Satan uses "fun" to distract people and take people away from just submitting to God and doing Good.

So I think that hell can be "fun," but I also believe that hell can never be Good. What's "fun" certainly isn't always Good.

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« Reply #132 on: October 19, 2007, 11:20:29 AM »
From the sound of this sentence, it sounds like you are saying women grow bears!
I demand explanation!  How do women grow bears?  Are they grizzlys, browns, polars?

I agree with Keranu's explanation as to the reason for the hijab, but to add to it, a higher purpose is to help create a culture where men and women are constantly reminded to interact with one another not based on "lower desires" (natural sexual attraction, etc) but to interact with one another based on "higher desires" (interaction involving thinking)

So, men must be too weak willed to control their thoughts and actions while in the presence of women, eh?  Methinks it's called subjugation, nothing more and nothing less, and I'm not interested in anyone that wants to force another human to submit to their will, unless I'm wearing a leather zipper mask and paying her by the hour.
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Re: Religion
« Reply #133 on: October 19, 2007, 11:28:04 AM »
So, men must be too weak willed to control their thoughts and actions while in the presence of women, eh?  Methinks it's called subjugation, nothing more and nothing less, and I'm not interested in anyone that wants to force another human to submit to their will, unless I'm wearing a leather zipper mask and paying her by the hour.

Many men are too weak willed to control their thoughts and actions, particularly with regards to chasing women.  :lol: But like I said, even more than taking care of weak-willed men, it's about creating a cultural environment where women can be respected and protected.

Keep in mind that their are rules and regulations for the way Muslim men dress too, not just women.

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« Reply #134 on: October 19, 2007, 03:01:20 PM »
Well said Keranu. It's really too bad that many people actually believe that Islam is about hatred.  :(
I don't really think any religion is about hatred and a lack of religion certainly isn't about hatred because it has nothing to be based on  :mrgreen: .

Keranu, what if it's based on hatred of religion?
Not sure what you're talking about exactly.

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In the Nation of Islam, men are taught against growing beards. I believe the reason is to present an image of cleanliness and self respect, and also as a practice of discipline, among other reasons (of which I'm not aware)
So that's why Elijah Muhammad and Louis Farrakhan don't have beards :D ! I guess that's why Malcolm X didn't have one too before he became El-Hajj Malik al-Shabazz. Thanks for sharing that information. Could you explain more how it's self respect and a practice of discipline?

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The hijab is interpreted differently in different countries. In some countries, which are allies of the U.S., such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, a full facial veil is often ideal. In other Muslim societies, such as the Nation of Islam, the face may be uncovered but the hair must still be covered.
I'm not an expert on the subject, but I don't quite understand where the burka (full face covering) idea came from. The Quran nor the Hadiths say the face has to be covered, as far as I know.

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Some of the "flying saucer" phenomenon has been mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Ezekiel. It's sometimes referred to as "Ezekiel's wheel" or "the wheel of Ezekiel."

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad refers to it as the "mother plane" and that it will be used as an instrument of divine judgement against America.
I'm aware of Ezekiel's wheel and I've briefly heard about the "mother plane". Was this the same ship that Farrakhan claimed to flew in one of his dreams (or was it in actual reality)?

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Some believe that hell is someplace that some people have to go after they die where they will be burned for eternity. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that the fire must not be very hot, if we can burn forever and never burn up.
Surah 4 verse 56 in the Quran mentions that our skin burns up and is replaced so it can burn again:

“Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire.  Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment.  Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.”

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However, people that rebel against God's instructions may have a lot of "fun" doing so. For example, there are many people who engage in premarital sex and the use of intoxicants, possibly at the same time. It might be "fun" for them, but I believe, it is not "Good" for them. These people are really in hell, because they are not doing Good for themselves.

Satan uses "fun" to distract people and take people away from just submitting to God and doing Good.

So I think that hell can be "fun," but I also believe that hell can never be Good. What's "fun" certainly isn't always Good.
I'm not exactly sure where this is from, but it's said that this life is like heaven for the unbelievers and hell for the believers while the afterlife is the opposite.

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I demand explanation!  How do women grow bears?  Are they grizzlys, browns, polars?
Steroids maybe?

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So, men must be too weak willed to control their thoughts and actions while in the presence of women, eh?  Methinks it's called subjugation, nothing more and nothing less, and I'm not interested in anyone that wants to force another human to submit to their will, unless I'm wearing a leather zipper mask and paying her by the hour.
We are told several times in the Quran and Hadith to lower our gaze from the opposite sex after the first accidental peek, unless of course it's someone you are talking to. Controling yourself would certainly come first I'd say, but the dress code simply makes things easier. I think it's also interesting to note that most converts to Islam are females and I've heard of female-to-male ratios being as high as 9:1.
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