Religion

[Michael Helgeson]

My theory is up there with the 144,000 your all going to find it a bit crowded and boring,then your going to erect  a giant bridge and start tossing the unwanteds off back down to heavenly earth or whatever. Like Gods version of pest control,or amusement,which ever comes first. To do it hes going to go through a cheap sub contractor. I think god is going to think,"Wow,Puerto Rico on a large scale,awesome!".

[Joe Redifer]

Seriously, God must be a f*cking dumbass if he expected humans not to eventually eat that apple.  Seriously, as humans repopulated, one of them would have eventually done it.  But no, the first two humans did it!  When God created humans he said "And I shall make man a complete dumbass, like myself".  Satan easily outsmarted God.  If I believed in things like Satan, I'd give him more respect than I would give to God simply for this act alone.  God = PWNT.

[Hobo Xiphas]

free will

I am absolutely tired of Abrhamic relgious people using the flawed free will argument.  This is debunked in any basic philosophy course.

1.  According to your religion, God is omnipotent and has no power limitations
2.  Since God is omnipotent, he can design humans so that when presented a choice, they always freely choose the good.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Therefore, they'd be robots in disguise



BTW, Romans 5:12 -just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned

[rag-time4]

Seriously, God must be a f*cking dumbass if he expected humans not to eventually eat that apple.  Seriously, as humans repopulated, one of them would have eventually done it.  But no, the first two humans did it!  When God created humans he said "And I shall make man a complete dumbass, like myself".  Satan easily outsmarted God.  If I believed in things like Satan, I'd give him more respect than I would give to God simply for this act alone.  God = PWNT.

LOL You make a lot of sense, but who says that God didn't expect Adam and Eve to eat the apple?

Also, we don't share the belief that Adam and Eve of the Bible were the first two humans.

[rag-time4]

Therefore, they'd be robots in disguise



BTW, Romans 5:12 -just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned

Interesting scripture! This seems to support the idea of "spiritual death" I mentioned earlier.

ParanoiaD, thanks for your comments on 1914, by the way. I've been meaning to reply.

[GUTS]

This thread is absolutely f*cking retarded.

[nat]

This thread is absolutely f*cking retarded.

And yet it persists!!!

[TR0N]

This thread is absolutely f*cking retarded.

It is and i wounder why it hasn't died yet.

I see this kind thread at every message board i've been too.

Afther a while...ya don't care since it's been talked about a millon times all ready 

[Joe Redifer]

It is and i wounder why it hasn't died yet.

Because people are crazy about their religious beliefs.  If I say that God and Jesus have un-lubed anal sex with each other, someone else needs to try and tell me that they don't.

[ceti alpha]

If I say that God and Jesus have un-lubed anal sex with each other

Do they? 

[Michael Helgeson]

Yea this thread is boring and lost it merits long ago.

[Joe Redifer]

I think what it all boils down to is that discussion of religion almost always causes animosity and bad feelings between people.  You can't expect anything more than that unless everyone participating has the exact same set of ridiculous beliefs.  Same goes with politics.  Why isn't there a politics thread?

[Necromancer]

To those who are bored of this thread: why in the hell do you continue to read it?  Just looking for a reason to bitch, I suppose.

Necromancer, some of us really are beasts and really do need as much help as possible to control our appetites. If you have greater self control than that, then just by being that way you make the world a better place.

But I don't see the dress codes as being only about providing a crutch for weak willed men and women, but more for creating a culture of modesty, which I think helps prevent men and women from becoming weak willed in the first place.

My original point was that it is a means to control women and nothing more.  If it were truly intended to keep thoughts pure, then both men and women would have the same requirements (yes, men have a dress code, but it is nowhere near as concealing as women's).

Is pride among the characteristics of a "Christian lifestyle"?

I think that glorification of God is ideal, not having pride in following God's instructions. Having pride in following God's instructions may hinder us in being willing to reach out and help our fellow man who may not be practicing God's instructions.

You got me there, kind of.  Pride is the worst of the seven deadly sins, but only when it is excessive and interferes with your thoughts and actions.  My point was that having the qualities that define a 'Christian lifestyle' is something to be proud of, independent of religious code.  It doesn't matter if the actions arise because of God's instructions, because mommy told you, or just because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Keranu, I found something in the New Testament about it, the head covering for women to be specific.

1 Corinthians Chapter 2

The Bible here presents it as a symbol of authority of men over women, which Necromancer spoke out against earlier.

verse 10 : For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

verse 3: But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

This goes back to what I said earlier about Elijah Muhammad teaching us that women are supposed to be subordinate to men, and men are supposed to be subordinate to God. Here the Bible inserts Christ as an intermediary between man and God, which we accept, since Christ represents a perfect example for us on how to submit to the Will of Allah.

Interesting example of how to interpret something to hear just what you want to hear.  Perhaps you should read a few more verses:

11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

I interpret the earlier verses to allude to the creation of man in God's image and the creation of woman from man's rib.  In light of verses 11 and 12, how does it all imply that women are subordinate to man?

free will

I am absolutely tired of Abrhamic relgious people using the flawed free will argument.  This is debunked in any basic philosophy course.

1.  According to your religion, God is omnipotent and has no power limitations
2.  Since God is omnipotent, he can design humans so that when presented a choice, they always freely choose the good.

That's specious reasoning.  You argue that an omnipotent God is unable to choose to make a flawed being.  A being incapable of making the incorrect choice would obviously not have free will.

[Hobo Xiphas]

That's specious reasoning.  You argue that an omnipotent God is unable to choose to make a flawed being.  A being incapable of making the incorrect choice would obviously not have free will.

Oh no, you saw through my argument. 

I knew I shouldn't have listened to Dick Pole on this matter!