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mamejay

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »
"Is RetroBright better than bleaching?"


Its the same thing.  Retrobright is just the overly engineered version with a bunch of nonsense additives that do nothing.


You'd have gotten better results with a better UV light.   Go get one designed for tropical lizards at a pet store.  You've likely got that bulb up so far it's barely delivering the waves to the plastic.


The effective range is like 12".



You should have just bought clear peroxide developer.  The liquid.  not the cream.

Take the PCE, stick it in a small clear container, fill the container with the liquid... stick it in real sunlight.


You'll have it back to new status in like 2 hours or less.

The PCE is so small you won't need a large container.  As a result you will need less liquid.



I used to bleach C64s in marathon sessions during the summer.   I know what I am talking about.


I swear I've posted this on this forum at least 3 times now.
What a happy boy you are.  Thanks for the advice.  Maybe you need to work on your delivery.
I have been warned in the past about using bleach.  It works on some things but not everything.  As for the light it is no more than 12" above the plastics.  Also it is winter here in Australia and not much sun to go around.  You make it hard for people to take you seriously when you rant like that.  No wonder you have posted about your method 3 times and no one has taken any notice

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2012, 04:07:32 PM »
Easy mamejay, Arkhan maybe be strongly opinionated, but hes a good guy. He was not personally attacking you either so try not to make it personal. Nice work on the retrobright. Its the bromide in the plastic, a fire retardant, that makes it yellow. Supposedly eventually the amount of bromide in the plastic will get used up and stop yellowing. Keep it up.

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2012, 04:09:20 PM »
cool improvement bro!
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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2012, 09:25:01 PM »
Easy mamejay, Arkhan maybe be strongly opinionated, but hes a good guy. He was not personally attacking you either so try not to make it personal. Nice work on the retrobright. Its the bromide in the plastic, a fire retardant, that makes it yellow. Supposedly eventually the amount of bromide in the plastic will get used up and stop yellowing. Keep it up.
Fair enough.

@ Arkhan
You method is the first I have heard of it.  I will give it a try but its just strange that no where on the web do they talk about using just straight bleach and sunlight.  I thought the retro guys wouldbe all over this.  Anyway
I will suck it and see

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2012, 10:59:53 PM »
Dont suck straight bleach, you will die!

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2012, 07:28:06 PM »
Easy mamejay, Arkhan maybe be strongly opinionated, but hes a good guy. He was not personally attacking you either so try not to make it personal. Nice work on the retrobright. Its the bromide in the plastic, a fire retardant, that makes it yellow. Supposedly eventually the amount of bromide in the plastic will get used up and stop yellowing. Keep it up.
Fair enough.

@ Arkhan
You method is the first I have heard of it.  I will give it a try but its just strange that no where on the web do they talk about using just straight bleach and sunlight.  I thought the retro guys wouldbe all over this.  Anyway
I will suck it and see



Uh, I did NOT say to use bleach.  I hope you haven't tried it already.

I said use clear peroxide developer.  It's peroxide.  I said this in my post that you quoted to gripe about.   If you investigate the ingredients in retrobright, you will see you are basically playing bathroom chemist.   You add a bunch of junk to the peroxide to make it a paste.  Xanth gum and glycerine don't do anything else really.  The result of this paste is that you often get uneven/inconsistent results.  You will not get this if you fully submerge the plastic in clear peroxide solution.   I suggest 40 volume clear developer.  You can get it at basically any beauty supply store.

I've covered this a few times here.  It's also been covered on Amiga and C64 forums.  If people don't want to listen for whatever reason, that's not my problem.  I'm not the one with yellow or unevenly de-yellowed hardware. ;)   

A friend has gone as far as to put a C128D in a plastic bag full of peroxide, vacuum sealed (with a shopvac), and left out in the sun.    It works.   You don't have to mix a bunch of stupid crap together either.   

Also, the oxyclean anyone may suggest you add to the process is another waste of time/effort/money. 

Anyway, the method works.  If you don't really believe it, keep in mind:  Girls have been combing peroxide through their hair and going out in the sun to achieve highlights for like, 50+ years now.

That, and all of the crap some of us C= people have bleached over the years is proof it works.

The ingredients needed in a successful de yellowing of plastic are:

Strong peroxide
Sunlight


That's it.   Sunlight = UV rays.    If you have no sun because it's winter, go buy a tropical lizard UVB bulb.  They're the same thing.  A 5.0 UVB bulb will do the trick.  Stick it in a reflective dome to increase the output of the bulb.
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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2012, 10:20:22 PM »
most of the time the simple solutions are the best might give that a try on my yellow dreamcast.

bleach is not good for plastic makes it go brittle.
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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2012, 12:45:39 AM »
Sorry.  I did make a typo and would not use bleach.  I think I got thrown with an earlier post using bleach to clean.

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2012, 02:39:38 AM »
yea, drinking bleach might kill ya, but drinking windex will keep you from streaking   :mrgreen:

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2012, 08:32:43 AM »
Reminds of a song by the Dead Milkmen: :D

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2012, 10:51:10 AM »
I've used bleach on quite a few PC engine cases with no issues at all. If it does make it brittle I haven't seen any sign of it.

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2012, 10:58:02 AM »
I say try methane...   :)

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2012, 01:26:06 PM »
Has anyone tried this on darker/black plastic?  I'd love to see some before/after's of colors other than white if they exist.

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2012, 05:35:07 PM »
I can't say I have ever seen any plastic other than white or cream colored that would need it. plastic polish would bring back any lost luster in dark plastics. A magic eraser will remove any scuffs.

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Re: Retr0Bright a PCEngine - See the results
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2012, 05:41:18 PM »
Virtually any color plastic will benefit. Almost nothing was made pure white in the early 80s, most old computers were some kind of beige or grey and they yellow just as bad as anything. Then there is the SNES and SFC, of course, which aren't really white. The SFC is grey and the SNES is a grey/purple. I've seen C64s that were turned a GROSS dark brown over time. RetrOBright works on all of them.

The real problem though, like I said, is that the process just ends up reversing itself after a year or so making the whole pain in the ass process useless.