Modern LCD screens and PC Engine Duo-R, compatibility issues?

[grimm]

Something just struck me. Im slowly saving up for a Duo-R, and i realized some of these old game consoles have serious issues with some modern LCD, whilst some work well etc..

Are there any know big issues i should be aware of? I know the best way to play these old consoles are with a CRT, but i have sadly no room for both a CRT and a LCD in my flat, so ive chosen to go with LCD, even if its not optimal to some of my old consoles. It works well enough with most, and great with others.

So, are there any known issues, with known manufacturers of LCD screens? I use a lower budget LG LCD, which works well with my NTSC systems, but has issues with my region modded Snes. In Pal mode, using rgb cable, the screen flickers and shows graphical errors. Also my Pal Jaguar will flicker if i use an rgb-cable.

Any input would be great to know. Im completely new to PC engine, and have yet to get my first system.

Thanks and regards,
grimm

[cabbage]

If you get a nice upscaler you can achieve beautiful results, but it'd be cheaper to get a nice CRT...

[vestcoat]

Someone else started discussion on this topic two days ago:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12027.msg231520#msg231520

And it's been discussed a bunch in the past if you do a search.

And both of these threads should be in general discussion or console chat.

[Ji-L87]

I get what I believe is de-interlacing issues which results in some particularly bad artefacts when in motion. I don't think it's with all games, but of course my first PCE game had to give me those issues. It was Galaxy Fraulein Yuna 2 and these issues are visible already in the opening and can be seen in cutscenes throughout. I have a scaler now that I've started to play around with and I get different results from different de-interlacing modes so that must be it.

It all depends on how well your TV handles these things. Mine seems to have a decent comb filter but doesn't always deliver with the de-interlacing. CRT TVs are the cheapest (and sort of best) way to play old games, but just like you, I'd like to move away from having both a CRT and a LCD, so right now I'm throwing money around hoping to build a decent LCD-setup that will work for all my systems and other things.

[BigusSchmuck]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815276027
Found one for around $60, but you also are going to have to get a extra hdmi cable:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024008&p_id=3992&seq=1&format=2
Looking at around $70 all together...

[Ji-L87]

Grimm, whatever you do, don't buy this scaler. It scales alright but most likely your TV won't accept 4:3 through HDMI so the picture will be brutally stretched to 16:9. Hardly ideal, and for that price, you can probably find something better that actually works. Also, it didn't me give any picture for my DUO-R soo....don't.

This one will probably give the same result as the other one, as it seem to lack any kind of output control.

Anyway, since you said that LG LCD was cheap, using an external comb filter (like a DVD-recorder) for your composite sources and output that to the TV through either s-video or component should improve things. Since you have systems that output RGB through scart you can try one of these. It took about two weeks for it to arrive here after they shipped it.

[grimm]

If you get a nice upscaler you can achieve beautiful results, but it'd be cheaper to get a nice CRT...

You are correct, but like i stated, there is no room.

Someone else started discussion on this topic two days ago:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12027.msg231520#msg231520

And it's been discussed a bunch in the past if you do a search.

And both of these threads should be in general discussion or console chat.

I actually did a search, and nothing came up when i used "compatibility lcd" as a search phrase.

I looked at the thread you linked to, and from what i can gather they talk more about scaling than actual incompatibility.. What im asking is if the consoles have problem WORKING on LCD screens, not how good the picture quality turns out. For example, some, if not all, samsung LCD has problems showing Neo Geo hardware output to begin with.

So i made a new thread, and since it had to do with the PC engine specifically, i put it in the pc engine category. I dont think its a general discussion if it specifically asks about this console. If a moderator disagrees with me, feel free to move the thread.

Anyway, since you said that LG LCD was cheap, using an external comb filter (like a DVD-recorder) for your composite sources and output that to the TV through either s-video or component should improve things. Since you have systems that output RGB through scart you can try one of these. It took about two weeks for it to arrive here after they shipped it.

Ill look into it, but so far ive been satisfied enough with my tv's internal upscaler. Thanks

That said. Thanks for the responses guys, but i wasnt really asking about upscaling or upscaling devices, but literally of compatibility issues.

[RegalSin]

Keep in mind they forced flatscreens on to us. If it can't play duck hunt, and show composite, or RF in all of it's glory, then it is not worth it. My television, shows RF, and composite with nice crisp picture, especially now withouth the many analog channels not being used.

[SignOfZeta]

With so many versions of so many consoles and so many TVs the "compatibility" matrix would be f*cking enormous. I can only tell you exactly which model of TV works with which system based on my personal experience, and the chances of you owning that combination are very small since most TVs are on the market for only a year or two.

If you are thinking that such and such a brand is going to be routinely compatible/incompatible with certain systems...it doesn't work that way.

All you can do is try.

[HercTNT]

CRT is superior to lcd with the old systems, but for me its just not an option. I don't have the space for one of a decent size, nor can i afford the electric bill. I have an RGb modded duo-r using a scaler on my 32" lcd and honestly i think it looks great. Purists might choke at the thought, but for me its the only viable option, and it works.

[SignOfZeta]

CRT is superior to lcd with the old systems, but for me its just not an option. I don't have the space for one of a decent size, nor can i afford the electric bill.

Power consumption on a CRT isn't always as bad as you might think.

[thesteve]

CRT power usage varies greatly.
most are not that high (trinatron is the exception they are power hungry)
the main issue with LCD tv's on older systems is the older system run 240p at 60 frames a sec
NTSC standard is 480i at 30 FPS, thus 240p 60 is not supported.
find a display that supports 240p 60 and no scaler needed.

[fraggore]

My samsunng 32inch le32 without a scaler works pretty dame good and no lag.

Tho if you got a megadrive you will have to mod it to get most games running but it dont fixed everything despite what some sites say.

[SuperDeadite]

Well I'm not sure what one considers an "expensive power bill"  but I browse the net on a pro-level iiyama crt computer monitor and play on X68k on my Sharp CRT monitor from 91 right next to it almost every day.  My power bill has never been over $35.....

[thesteve]

here in Cali power bills typically run over $100, often several