Author Topic: About the interface unit...  (Read 1030 times)

incrediblehark

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 638
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2012, 01:50:32 AM »
Where is the fuse...?
I see a gigantor diode which seems to check out okay... Could that be it? If it is, then thats not the problem...  :cry:

EDIT: That 14V difference I'm talking to is now down to 5V. Makes more sense, but I don't know whats going on. haha

I believe it would be the 30D2 diode you mentioned that would act in a way as the fuse. But you say yours is fine. I know this is going to sound like a stupid question, but how about the LED itself, and/or the locking power switch? Also, even without the cdrom and pc engine you should be able to test the expansion pins on the ifu to see if there's any power going to them

Frank_fjs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 617
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2012, 05:24:50 AM »
Just to confirm, yeah my IFU definitely powers on with no consoles inserted.

SegaCD

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 15
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2012, 04:27:05 PM »
Okay. Thanks guys... :/

I believe it would be the 30D2 diode you mentioned that would act in a way as the fuse. But you say yours is fine. I know this is going to sound like a stupid question, but how about the LED itself, and/or the locking power switch? Also, even without the cdrom and pc engine you should be able to test the expansion pins on the ifu to see if there's any power going to them


Yes, thats the one. (Labeled "D1" on the board) Its definitely being a proper, working diode. :/ And I've tested both... The plug where the LED's wire plugs in on the board reads zero when turned on and off. I found where the locking power switch plugs into on the board and found continuity when in the "on" position and nothing when its in the "off" position...so that works properly.
Also, people have been saying that their CD-ROM-ROM units get power when plugged in even without a PCE. Mine does absolutely nothing when plugged into the IFU. (The CD-ROM-ROM works fine when I plugged a proper AC adapter directly into it though)

Testing the expansion pins is my next course of action. I found this diagram online, http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/pcebp.php , and found exactly how this diagram is relative the position of the socket on the main board. Does anyone have any pins I should check first? If not, I'm just going to put my meter across one of the Vins to a random ground pin tomorrow when I can trust my shaky hands a bit more. lol

@SignOfZeta: Mine is also a newer "CD-ROM2 SYSTEM" (AKA non-"IFU-30", AKA IFU-30A) one.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 04:31:02 PM by SegaCD »

Samurai Ghost

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1062
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2012, 06:10:36 PM »
Yeah sad to say that you might have a bad IFU.
If you still have the cover for yours I might be able to give you a free IFU without a cover if you don't mind paying the shipping. Once my shipment clears customs I think I'll have a few extras in there.

incrediblehark

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 638
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2012, 10:40:55 AM »
then you can always swap out the bottom of your broken one and keep your matching serials (although I know actually fixing the dead unit is more satisfying)

Samurai Ghost

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1062
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2012, 06:53:05 PM »
Oh yeah he wanted to keep the serials matching. It seems like the IFU would be easy to fix as its not a very complicated piece of electronics, but maybe I'm just talking out of my ass as I've only done minor repairs on them.

thesteve

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2952
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2012, 07:58:36 PM »
they are not that simple, as they contain the drive interface and sound processing.
that said the issues with them should be simple.
start at the beginning.
is the power getting to the board from the power adaptor, ect

SegaCD

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 15
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2012, 03:55:02 PM »
Yeah, I tried going across the expansion port Vin->GND pins and I'm getting readings <1v which I'm pretty sure are incorrect.

Yeah sad to say that you might have a bad IFU.
If you still have the cover for yours I might be able to give you a free IFU without a cover if you don't mind paying the shipping. Once my shipment clears customs I think I'll have a few extras in there.

Oh man, you're too generous. I really appreciate that. I'll shoot you a PM.

I figure I can just swap the entire circuit board from a new IFU into my old one. I can tell it'll be an easy task. Then it'll still have the matching serial numbers and it'll work. I also wont feel too bad pulling capacitors or whatever off of the dead board if I have to. I'll figure this out if it kills me! xD

@thesteve: It is definitely getting power from the power adapter. Also, I'd be a little surprised if it was the more complex electronics causing the problem... I figure the IFU, like most gaming related items, is designed so that at the very least the power light will still light up even if the other electronics are fried. It usually seems that the power LED is dependent from the specific electronics and if it doesn't light, it usually points to power supply issues, but I'm just assuming this from past experience with other electronics.

EDIT: If anyone thinks pictures of anything will help, I got a camera that takes pretty good micro shots and I'd be happy to put some up. :3
« Last Edit: June 15, 2012, 04:14:42 PM by SegaCD »

incrediblehark

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 638
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2012, 10:55:12 AM »
you should post up detailed pics of the ifu board just for the sake of reference... I was going to the other day when I was checking mine out to try and help you but in the process I screwed up my rgb mod and had to spend the next couple hours rewiring the whole thing! :P

thesteve

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2952
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2012, 11:55:02 AM »
id suspect blown fuse
it could be something unplugged as well

Charlie

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 247
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2012, 10:22:56 AM »
FYI, capacitor C141 is directly across the power input.  If you apply reverse polarity, you will almost certainly blow that capacitor.  Either check it for a short, or remove it to see if it solves the problem.  Of course, replace it when done.

Ummm, you did make sure to turn the LOCK switch "on", right?


Anyway, here's the power path:
1. From the power jack on the AVPower board, negative connects through a small jumper to the black wire, which goes to P103, pin 1, then to board ground.
2. From the power jack on the AVPower board, positive connects to the red wire, which connects to P103, pin 2.
3. From P103, pin 2, it goes to C141 (47uf, 25v) and also through L101 to P102, pin 2
4. From P102, pin 2, it goes to the Power Switch.
5. Back from the Power Switch, it goes to P102, pin 1.
6. From P102, pin 1 it goes through L102 to P404, pin 2.
7. From P404, pin 2, it goes to the Lock Switch.
8. Back from the Lock Switch, it goes to P404, pin 1.
9. From P404, pin 1, to goes to D101 anode (that's the "30D2"), which is the polarity protection diode.
10. Out D101 cathode it goes to C101, C102 and C103 (330uf, 25V) in parallel, then continues on to R101, R102, R103, and R104, which are actually jumpers.  These jumpers feed the separate parts of the actual power supply circuit.  This was done so each circuit could be powered individually during board design.

You should be able to trace the power to that point.  Make sure to check the voltage against both grounds, the one on the AVPower jack, and the common ground on the board.

Charlie

PS. I suppose, if there was a place to upload it, like say a sticky entitled "Repair Guide - Interface Unit", someone might be pursuaded to supply an abbreviated schematic of the above circuit......(I'm just saying..!)

Edit: Added reference to R103, R104.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2012, 03:32:43 AM by Charlie »

thesteve

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2952
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2012, 02:07:34 PM »
nice trace charlie
general note resistors designated R and inductors designated L might act as a fuse if reason arose

Keith Courage

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2690
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2012, 04:02:38 PM »
Not to hijack the thread but I was wondering if anyone has ever come across a IFU that powers and and works until a CD games loads. Meaning hu cards work just fine but as soon as A CD game loads the system freezes and locks up. I have 1 on hand right now that does this that I was just going to use for parts unless I can figure out how to repair it. If it's repairable I can send it your way SegaCD.

thesteve

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2952
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2012, 04:12:48 PM »
look at power usage/voltage drops
if a supply is caving that would do it

Charlie

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 247
Re: About the interface unit...
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2012, 12:12:20 AM »
>general note resistors designated R and inductors designated L might act as a fuse if reason arose<

Generally yes, in this case no...both the R and the L are not discrete components, but actual wiring.  The wire gauge is way too thick to be a fuse link.  (The L's are actually ferrite beads strung on the wire).


Also, since R101, R102, R103 and R104 are actually links of wire, you can unsolder one end of each (For R101, R102 and R104, the end farthest from the connector is recommended -- it allows you to use the wire link as a convenient voltage test point.  For R103, it's the end closest to the connector) to isolate the regulator circuitries, then quickly/temporarily reconnect one at a time to determine which "path" is the bad one.  Be sure to check all four.

Charlie

Edit: Added reference to R103 and R104.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2012, 03:37:29 AM by Charlie »