Father beats daughter's rapist to death

[spenoza]

Wow, your overly-simplistic approach to justice sounds great, gogan! Why didn't I think of that? Screw all this legal crap and let's just punish people based on our gut, emotional response! It might not be fair or just, but it'll make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside!

[_joshuaTurbo]

Wow, your overly-simplistic approach to justice sounds great, gogan! Why didn't I think of that? Screw all this legal crap and let's just punish people based on our gut, emotional response! It might not be fair or just, but it'll make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside!

"Go with your gut"?  Who said that?  If a person is accused and proven guilty of child rape they deserve to go to the chair.

[spenoza]

Well, I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, so I'm going to have to disagree. I find that most people who do support the death penalty do so out of a misplaced sense of revenge, or something else pretty strongly emotionally tied. Again, I don't necessarily have a better answer, but I don't think "send them to the chair" does society any good. It removes the offenders from society, but it doesn't help us better understand the underlying disorders. What if studying child rapists instead of killing them helps us find a way to treat them, and even treat individuals with problems BEFORE they go out and harm someone? Curing, a future child rapist, or at least helping them manage their urges, protects a child from rape in addition to preventing another state-run execution.

[Bernie]

Those who would rather me pay for someone who deserves to hang, for example prison time.... can suck my ass.

[Gogan]

Wow, your overly-simplistic approach to justice sounds great, gogan! Why didn't I think of that? Screw all this legal crap and let's just punish people based on our gut, emotional response! It might not be fair or just, but it'll make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside!

Eh, not quite. Theres no gut feeling here. A child was raped. Fact. Not gut.  I'm talking rape. Forcible sex. On a f*cking child. Sorry, you're not wasting away in jail. They are sick f*cks, and it's not fixable. These are the situations I'm talking about.

And by the time it IS fixable, we will be able to tweak the brain so it wouldn't happen in the first place.

I do feel for the father having to live knowing he killed someone, but under the circumstances, he will be able to move on.

[spenoza]

Those who would rather me pay for someone who deserves to hang, for example prison time.... can suck my ass.

Every state that has the death penalty pairs the death penalty with lengthy and thorough mandatory appeals processes, because if the state is going to kill someone, they need to be right and just and fair in doing so. In the end, killing someone is no less expensive, really, than life imprisonment. The death penalty does not save money. No savings. Tax payers pay just as much, either way.

Besides, at present, the law does not share your view that child sex abusers ALL deserve to die. In fact, under current law in almost every state, very few deserve death.

[spenoza]

Eh, not quite. Theres no gut feeling here. A child was raped. Fact. Not gut.  I'm talking rape. Forcible sex. On a f*cking child. Sorry, you're not wasting away in jail. They are sick f*cks, and it's not fixable. These are the situations I'm talking about.

Yeah, that's gut feeling. You're letting your emotions drive your words here and you aren't keeping distance from the topic. The only perspective here IS gut. No data, no analysis, just "this is what I feel right now".

[Arkhan]

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[Gogan]

It's not what I feel. It's what is fact.

If you rape a child, you die. No lengthy trials, No appeals.

Are you really defending the lives of people who rape children here?

[Bernie]

Thats too bad..  And also the reason the USA is currently in trouble.  Too many bleeding hearts in the f*cking country.  I have to worry about my children and wife, and GOD help me if I defend my own and now I am the one thats possibly in the wrong.  You are right, it doesnt save money the way we currently execute our trash.  It takes way too long, too many appeals.  unneeded bullshit.  Hey, if there is reason to suspect that the state is wrong, I am all for it.  However, in cases such as this, where this is no doubt that the person is guilty.... Trial, death sentence, outside to hang.  End of story.  I will back out of this topic now, cuz it will surely end up in Fighting Street if I continue.  Apparently you have not been in the situation where a family member, child, or close friend was raped or murdered.  Now..  with that said..  I have to say, I DO see where you are coming from.  I am not blind.  If I were to murder someone, in this type of situation, I would have a hard time dealing with it.  It is a human life, and I have ended that.  Would be hard for me, BUT I would get through it because I know it was justified. 

[spenoza]

You have a strange definition of fact, one that seems to bear no relation to the meaning of the word fact and what the word represents.

[Gogan]

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And that's just drugs lol

[Gogan]

You have a strange definition of fact, one that seems to bear no relation to the meaning of the word fact and what the word represents.

If a child gets raped, that's not a fact?

[_joshuaTurbo]

Well, I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, so I'm going to have to disagree. I find that most people who do support the death penalty do so out of a misplaced sense of revenge, or something else pretty strongly emotionally tied. Again, I don't necessarily have a better answer, but I don't think "send them to the chair" does society any good. It removes the offenders from society, but it doesn't help us better understand the underlying disorders. What if studying child rapists instead of killing them helps us find a way to treat them, and even treat individuals with problems BEFORE they go out and harm someone? Curing, a future child rapist, or at least helping them manage their urges, protects a child from rape in addition to preventing another state-run execution.

Actually I really do think it's pretty extreme for someone to get the death penalty, but If raping a child isn't worthy of a death penalty, then anything outside of mass murder wouldn't be either. 

As a parent, I would have to say the only justice for someone raping a kid would be the chair, or at least a death sentence.... serving a few years, then being released back out into the public?... screw that!

I understand the idea of studying them, or looking for signs before the acts happen, but what steps would enforcement have to take to prevent these kinds of actions?  Would every person have to be evaluated when they hit puberty?  Would parents be held responsible for not teaching their kids to not have sex with little kids?

On the other hand, I think that statutory rape (ex:where an 18 year old gets caught sleeping with a 16 year old) is an entirely separate issue compared to child molestation.

[Gogan]

Thats too bad..  And also the reason the USA is currently in trouble.  Too many bleeding hearts in the f*cking country.  I have to worry about my children and wife, and GOD help me if I defend my own and now I am the one thats possibly in the wrong.  You are right, it doesnt save money the way we currently execute our trash.  It takes way too long, too many appeals.  unneeded bullshit.  Hey, if there is reason to suspect that the state is wrong, I am all for it.  However, in cases such as this, where this is no doubt that the person is guilty.... Trial, death sentence, outside to hang.  End of story.  I will back out of this topic now, cuz it will surely end up in Fighting Street if I continue.  Apparently you have not been in the situation where a family member, child, or close friend was raped or murdered.  Now..  with that said..  I have to say, I DO see where you are coming from.  I am not blind.  If I were to murder someone, in this type of situation, I would have a hard time dealing with it.  It is a human life, and I have ended that.  Would be hard for me, BUT I would get through it because I know it was justified. 

I Agree with all of this.