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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2012, 01:17:50 AM »
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2012, 01:38:37 AM »
this wasn't IT's decision to do this, we had no input it was all accounting and grain, two of the most computer illiterate groups at work ever.
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2012, 02:17:18 AM »


Dunno about IBM Mainframe software (Just quick reaction, but who and how many around here even would be familiar with it? The odds of finding someone to chat about that seem very low if you ask me, but you've been here longer, so I dunno.), but I had a similar experience at my last job where the IT dept. is the last to be consulted about relevant matters. Product managers setting deadlines for product developers in the IT dept. without any prior input from them. It always drove me nuts... They would set a deadline without getting any input from those that would actually be doing the development of the product and yet were the least computer literate, then when the deadline is missed, they would wonder how come...

I deal with IBM mainframe every day. Fortunately it's mostly things like simple password resets, VPS printer stops and restarts, very simple stuff. But because it works it's still in use.
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2012, 03:24:30 AM »
GUI is fine for most things.  I run Windows XP on my lappy.  But there are still some stuff that is just easier to run via the command prompt.  The ability to just add a simple "/X" to the end of a line is just cleaner, faster, and easier then trying to do that in any GUI I've ever used.

Today especially GUIs have gone insane.  Shit like Windows 8, the Metro crap they want to put on my 360, big flashy buttons are a step backwards.  It's like the damn GameCube controller with the big giant red button.  Just push here and forget about having any real control over your computer.

For starts, Metro is also designed for the touchy poke interface Mobile WORLD!     Good luck CLIing on a tablet or a phone.  I know I don't want to type in a bunch of jive from the command line on a retarded touch keyboard with no tactile feedback.

anyway, GUIs are simply a front end for CLIs.  So the whole argument is kind of stupid.  You can't quickly highlight an entire list and delete stuff with a CLI, but you also can't type del *.jpg with a GUI.  BFD.   The end result is the same.  You deleted a buncha JPGs.

GUIs were created so that MORE people could get into computers.   They're meant to be intuitive so you can just turn the computer on and get shit done, even if you're new to it.  They were pioneered by a bunch of dorks that are legit as f*ck.  Punch Card Legit.   If they had the same mindset as you, we'd all be fingering our a$$holes while feeding punch cards into machines because it's how you truly used a computer at the time.  

They pioneered the GUI concept so the mass majority could actually enjoy their computers, and computers as a whole could evolve into something cooler.  

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command line inputs are awesome.  So much quicker to get stuff done exactly as you want it.  It's not IBM's fault most people are lazy and ignorant of how to truly use a computer these days.  GUIs have ruined people.

It's not always quicker.  Depends what you're doing.

and, yeah, it is partially IBMs fault.  Ever hear of OS/2 ?   Duh?

I do CLI shit everyday in Linux/Windows both at home and at work.  So, I am not ignorant about how these things work.  I use the crap when I have to.

I'm glad there are GUIs for a lot of system-related tasks.    I don't want to sit and fingerbang in VI or Emacs and dickoff with a bunch of commands just to do things and then accidentally make a mistake and f*ck up something I was working on.  It can and will happen to everyone.  

GUIs didn't ruin anyone.   The people you speak of likely wouldn't be bothering with computers without a GUI.   They'd be too overwhelmed.

unless you're browsing the internet on Lynx, you should probably get off the CLI high horse.  I doubt you are doing anything at home in the CLI that would impress anyone except 13 year old script kiddies on IRC.


EDIT:  Oh yeah, the real topic:

The stuff you're going to deal with is kind of archaic/clunky, but, it works.

And heck, since it's so old, I bet any problem you have will be googleable! :)

You'll be fine.  It'll get the job done.


« Last Edit: June 27, 2012, 03:27:04 AM by Arkhan »
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2012, 04:24:14 AM »
high-horse? lol.  As stated i use XP for my actual daily computer.  People these days are incredibly lazy and want their computer to do everything for them.  Just another example of how are species is getting dumber every day.  We humans are f*cked cause all we want to do is sit on our ass and fap.  A person's refusal to actually read 20 pages of DOS for Dummies is just an extension of that.  GUI have their uses, but it's gone overboard.  When I reinstall XP and go to control panel I have to click that stupid line before it even appears.  What I love about the command line is that it actually does exactly what i want unless I f*ck it up, the way it should be.
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2012, 04:59:32 AM »
high-horse? lol.  As stated i use XP for my actual daily computer.  People these days are incredibly lazy and want their computer to do everything for them. 
Uh, What do you think computers were designed for?  So people wouldn't have to sit and calculate stuff manually.   duhrrr.

and yes, high horse.   That's what you sound like you're riding around on when you say shit like "hooohooo, people are ignorant about how to truly use compootas!".

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Just another example of how OUR (you spelled it wrong, loloolool) species is getting dumber every day.  We humans are f*cked cause all we want to do is sit on our ass and fap.  A person's refusal to actually read 20 pages of DOS for Dummies is just an extension of that.  GUI have their uses, but it's gone overboard. 
You'd be surprised what people manage to pull off with GUIs.  Saying that the world is getting dumber every day because of GUIs is incredibly short sighted. 

GUIs do exactly what you want, and to say that they have gone overboard is a stretch.   How have they gone overboard, exactly?


Ever install linux from the command line?  It's a pain in the dick. I've gone as far as doing it with shit like Lunar Linux where you have to build everything as you go.   I'd never do that again.  Give me a Zenwalk disc, a few clicks, and a Linux desktop, ready to get shit done.   


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When I reinstall XP and go to control panel I have to click that stupid line before it even appears. 
You have to do what, click the control panel icon?  So what? 

hit the windows key, type in control panel, and hit enter.  Voila.  There's your control panel.  It's just like the CLI!   You type in crap, and things happen!

Windows 7 has done a good job of molding the two things together well.  Windows XP does it clunkily, and Vista does it shittily.




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What I love about the command line is that it actually does exactly what i want unless I f*ck it up, the way it should be.


Does your mouse cursor have a temper?  Does it sometimes go the other way, or right click instead of left click or something?

Unless you answered yes, the GUI also does exactly what you want.  It isn't like the CLI can do EVERYTHING.  It's limited by commands and their options just like a GUI is limited by your clicking and dragging.

you make it sound like the CLI is as great as TRON or something:

"OPEN FILE.  I HAVE ACCESS CODE.  OK THANK YOU.  NOW, OPEN MY GAME PLEASE.  THANK YOU COMPUTER!"

[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2012, 06:36:52 AM »
I just realized how hard I've been BASHin SUDOintellectual types.

I don't regret it. Or the shitty jokes.

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2012, 06:42:58 AM »
I just realized how hard I've been BASHin SUDOintellectual types.

I don't regret it. Or the shitty jokes.

They're so KORNy.

Are you sure you don't reGREP it?

that one was AWKward.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2012, 01:06:16 PM »
1. IBM main business is building super computers for the United States goverment.

2. IBM is only a big comeback because of Intel, turning OSX into Windows.

3. Command Line OSes are better. The last good GUI OS, was Amiga. Everything else was Unix, or Windows variant.

4. I am not lying when I say this, if command line was still around and GUI was only videogames, I swear the closest thing to a GUI I would touch would be a game system.

5. IBM have security issues, accessing tasks, and files should not be a problem for ( whatever your job position is ). Most people in IT, are only smart as the IT in "Brazil" the film. I mean seriously, half of these guys do not even know how to request access to a computer. I imagine being there with my book of passwords and commands.

What is the difficulty of not using GUI? Multitasking?  Honestly I do think it is a problem, if that is what you are getting at.

6. OS/2 was not a bad thing. People prefering Windows to play games, over OS/2 was a bad thing. OS/2 position for the last ten years of it's invention ( since StarTreck the next generations, Data ) is the usage in banking machines ( easy money ). I wonder what operating systems are ATM machines using nowadays.

7. IBM has it's place with it's goverment super computers. That is what IBM is now and forever. So unless your one of those guys who hangs out in a room full guys and one gal, that is not my problem

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2012, 02:00:03 PM »
What is the difficulty of not using GUI? Multitasking?  Honestly I do think it is a problem, if that is what you are getting at.

Anyone remember Desqview?  :P

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2012, 02:55:00 PM »
I bet your entire home network is all monochome dumb terminals 'cause its legit.

That would be awesome...

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2012, 03:00:06 PM »
I want to see the command line version of a redeye removal tool, iPod syncing/sorting, non-linear video editing...

Did development of the Internet peak with Lynx? Are games more lavish than Zork just eye candy for idiots? Seriously, you guys are pathetic. More than that, you are completely unrealistic. The vast majority of stuff that is done on computers these days is basically impossible with a command line interface.

I just watched Brazil the other night, btw. I recently got the five disc Criterion LD, finally. It's magical.

Btw, here is a video I made of me at the track on Sunday. Can you do this with a command like interface? I mean, in a single lifetime?

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2012, 03:17:27 PM »
iPod syncing?  LOL who uses that trash?
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2012, 03:21:35 PM »
1. IBM main business is building super computers for the United States goverment.

2. IBM is only a big comeback because of Intel, turning OSX into Windows.

3. Command Line OSes are better. The last good GUI OS, was Amiga. Everything else was Unix, or Windows variant.

4. I am not lying when I say this, if command line was still around and GUI was only videogames, I swear the closest thing to a GUI I would touch would be a game system.

5. IBM have security issues, accessing tasks, and files should not be a problem for ( whatever your job position is ). Most people in IT, are only smart as the IT in "Brazil" the film. I mean seriously, half of these guys do not even know how to request access to a computer. I imagine being there with my book of passwords and commands.

What is the difficulty of not using GUI? Multitasking?  Honestly I do think it is a problem, if that is what you are getting at.

6. OS/2 was not a bad thing. People prefering Windows to play games, over OS/2 was a bad thing. OS/2 position for the last ten years of it's invention ( since StarTreck the next generations, Data ) is the usage in banking machines ( easy money ). I wonder what operating systems are ATM machines using nowadays.

7. IBM has it's place with it's goverment super computers. That is what IBM is now and forever. So unless your one of those guys who hangs out in a room full guys and one gal, that is not my problem
I personally don't have an issue with command line based OS. However, the end users over where I work at are mostly hicks, farmers, laborers, etc up until a few years ago didn't even know how to e-mail let alone remember their password (can't wait until that happens, three strikes and you can't get into the system and its time to call the boys at IBM to unlock them joy) to this "advanced" system we are going to. Yet, these are the type of people making these declensions on what direction IT should go. Hell, I even got a call today that someone said their printer was busted and all it was that it needed more paper. This is what I"m up against folks and we go live with this system on Monday.

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2012, 03:45:24 PM »
iPod syncing?  LOL who uses that trash?

Hundreds of millions of people on horses shorter than yours.