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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2012, 04:20:20 PM »
iPod syncing?  LOL who uses that trash?

Hundreds of millions of people on horses shorter than yours.

Hahahaha.. For the win

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2012, 04:44:12 PM »
iPod syncing?  LOL who uses that trash?


Hundreds of millions of people on horses shorter than yours.


Hahahaha.. For the win





I generally only use CLIs for programming non Microsoft .NETish stuff, because IDEs are kind of annoying.   PCE is done w/ notepad++ and CMD.exe. 

but, for most other things, it's a pain.

Setting up wifi in linux?  Yeah, give me the goony GUI some dork wrote to do it for me.  I never remember the f*ckin commands.   The little button never forgets the command though!

Even if I were a system admin, I'd likely use GUIs for a lot of shit.   I'd probably write a bunch of scripts to do routine tasks for me.  but, if there are GUI options, I am likely to fire that shit up first. 


Even on Linux, I prefer updating/picking addons via the GUIs.   Sitting and typing f*ckin apt/yum install commands all day is for retards.  Check off all the boxes you like and press the go go go button.
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2012, 04:47:32 PM »
Seriously, I have 100GB of music. Tens of thousands of files. Sure, I'm too stupid to CD and MV all that shit, but even if I could...I'd be even stupider to actually do it that way because it would take f*ckING FOREVER and I'd gain nothing for the effort.

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2012, 05:16:43 PM »

"What? You painted your house? Whatever, sheep, I did mine the old fashioned way, I glued macaroni over every inch of it. Yeah, I'll have to do it again after it rains a few times, but at least I'm not lazy."

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2012, 06:39:59 PM »
I want to see the command line version of a redeye removal tool, iPod syncing/sorting, non-linear video editing...

Did development of the Internet peak with Lynx? Are games more lavish than Zork just eye candy for idiots? Seriously, you guys are pathetic. More than that, you are completely unrealistic. The vast majority of stuff that is done on computers these days is basically impossible with a command line interface.

I just watched Brazil the other night, btw. I recently got the five disc Criterion LD, finally. It's magical.

I love how you are dissing CLI's and talking about laserdiscs in the same post.  :mrgreen:

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2012, 07:54:12 PM »
What's a debate without knowing what RegalSin thinks, ya know? ;)

Command Line OSes are better.
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I am not lying when I say this, if command line was still around and GUI was only videogames, I swear the closest thing to a GUI I would touch would be a game system.

GUI > CLI but a CLI is still necessary/useful as Arkhan pointed out well enough and better than I felt like doing. The GUI provides you with a CLI when you occasionally need it, so what's the discussion ? You seriously would prefer that the OS, in principle/by default, be controlled/interacted with mainly via a textual interface ?? Or what, you like taking the counter-intuitive position on a no-brainer and baiting folks ? ;) I don't regret my DOS-only days, but I'd never wanna go back to 'em...

I'm gonna have to approve of SignOfZeta's methods 100% here. This is like more of the excessive "retro-ness" vibe that I get around here (PCEFX). Sometimes I'm impressed by it, but this is not one of those times... Heh.

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2012, 10:16:26 PM »
I am trying to say that less is more. If windows was as clean, as Amiga and was in it's 2000 stage, I am sure that people would be like "oh windows is so cool" but they are not thinking about running a system, with no slowdowns, and lighting fast speed. They are thinking about downloading their film, while editing, while breaking the rules of workstation, and even traffficing the entire flow of the download, while ruinning their anti-virus software, and replying to this thread.

Take linux, packages. They are small, and runs lighting fast. To make it run faster, it could just be Unix. start program ( package ) and bamn bman bamn bamn, exit program. Then to make things odder, you lose the mouse feel.

A GUI OS, just make a person with ADD into a computer expert. Good for artists but not good for IT. However thank gosh for stickies, wonderfull stickies. List all your commands, around your monitor.

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2012, 11:11:35 PM »
I am trying to say that less is more. If windows was as clean, as Amiga and was in it's 2000 stage, I am sure that people would be like "oh windows is so cool" but they are not thinking about running a system, with no slowdowns, and lighting fast speed. They are thinking about downloading their film, while editing, while breaking the rules of workstation, and even traffficing the entire flow of the download, while ruinning their anti-virus software, and replying to this thread.

Take linux, packages. They are small, and runs lighting fast. To make it run faster, it could just be Unix. start program ( package ) and bamn bman bamn bamn, exit program. Then to make things odder, you lose the mouse feel.

A GUI OS, just make a person with ADD into a computer expert. Good for artists but not good for IT. However thank gosh for stickies, wonderfull stickies. List all your commands, around your monitor.

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but that makes no sense.

There is so much shit that GUI is much better than a CLI for, and you can still have a CLI interface.

Unless the argument is that computers should be exclusive to "computer experts" (which I'm beginning to think it might be), I don't see why we're still arguing.

I'm on a Cisco router right now changing an IP address, and sure, I don't need a GUI for it because I do that crap day-in day-out.  But if it's something I do once in a blue moon, like run a trace, or a packet capture, hellz yeah gimme a GUI, I can't remember that shit, but I can fill in a box, check some options and click "go".  It's not like I'm an idiot that can't be bothered to learn, it's just my head is full of other stuff that I need more.

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2012, 02:55:05 AM »
I programmed Cisco routers for 2 years in highschool.   It was fun. 

It was also f*cking boring.  We stopped working so we could play Unreal Tournament and Diablo 2.

Some of that router stuff turns out to be easier with a CLI when you telnet into the router and start pounding on it.

but most of it, just use some kinda f*ckin GUI.  It's going to execute the same crap you could type but probably don't remember.

what'd be really funny is if the network is down and you have to program it to fix it and don't remember the commands.

CAN'T GOOGLE IT.  lol.
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2012, 03:02:26 AM »
iPod syncing?  LOL who uses that trash?

Hundreds of millions of people on horses shorter than yours.

And just as many are republicans, religious zealots, and child molesters.  Majority is nothing but a bunch of silly numbers.
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2012, 03:03:43 AM »
GUI > CLI but a CLI is still necessary/useful as Arkhan pointed out well enough and better than I felt like doing. The GUI provides you with a CLI when you occasionally need it, so what's the discussion ? You seriously would prefer that the OS, in principle/by default, be controlled/interacted with mainly via a textual interface ?? Or what, you like taking the counter-intuitive position on a no-brainer and baiting folks ? ;) I don't regret my DOS-only days, but I'd never wanna go back to 'em...

I'm gonna whole-heartedly disagree here on your generic GUI > CLI. GUI is better for casual computer users, and for casual computer interactions, but keyboard-driven input will always be faster for expert users, be it well-designed shortcuts or a CLI. That's the thing, though, CLI is not for novices. It requires memorization and familiarity, but once you have it you are inherently faster than any GUI user at a wide variety of tasks.
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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2012, 03:10:53 AM »
iPod syncing?  LOL who uses that trash?

Hundreds of millions of people on horses shorter than yours.

And just as many are republicans, religious zealots, and child molesters.  Majority is nothing but a bunch of silly numbers.

wat.
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[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2012, 03:39:12 AM »
GUI > CLI but a CLI is still necessary/useful as Arkhan pointed out well enough and better than I felt like doing. The GUI provides you with a CLI when you occasionally need it, so what's the discussion ? You seriously would prefer that the OS, in principle/by default, be controlled/interacted with mainly via a textual interface ?? Or what, you like taking the counter-intuitive position on a no-brainer and baiting folks ? ;) I don't regret my DOS-only days, but I'd never wanna go back to 'em...

I'm gonna whole-heartedly disagree here on your generic GUI > CLI. GUI is better for casual computer users, and for casual computer interactions, but keyboard-driven input will always be faster for expert users, be it well-designed shortcuts or a CLI. That's the thing, though, CLI is not for novices. It requires memorization and familiarity, but once you have it you are inherently faster than any GUI user at a wide variety of tasks.

It's a widely held adage that a *nix system admin will spend 2 hours making a script that simplifies a 5 minute task even if he only uses it once.  I don't doubt that it can be faster, but if it requires memorisation and familiarity, is it worth it for things you seldom do?

Here's a story which is actually counter-supportive to my argument, but I was told early on; don't rely on fancy programs, and don't create a bunch of scripts to make your life easy.  Some of the best advice I ever had.  Because Unix is so old, most systems share a lot of basic commands and structures, so if you learn those basics, you'll be able to work on nearly any *nix OS.

Anyway, this guy I worked with was a proper Linux nerd, while our main OS was FreeBSD.  He decided his workstation (which like every workstation was actually some kind of server for something else too, mine was the webserver, it was a small company) could do with an update, so he started messing about with shared libraries, installing his favorite bullshit programs he used at home.

Long story short, he messed around with some serious shit, and ended up dicking the machine to the extent that fstab got wiped, or it couldn't find it or whatever, which is pretty serious when you have a server like that.  Guy came up to me white as a sheet and asked me for help, because he didn't have access to any commands less than 20 years old.

Took me about 10 minutes, but using my fstab as a reference, I managed to cat the whole fstab back from the command line and boot his machine back up, and no-one was any the wiser.

I use that story a lot in job interviews.

But STILL, if I have a GUI, I can have multiple putty sessions.  This alone renders any argument against GUI null.  I can copy and paste config easily from one box to another way faster than editing an existing file, scping it, closing down that session, opening another and blah blah blah however many times before I get it right.

It's like bowl vs ice cream when the ice cream comes with a f*cking bowl

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2012, 03:58:37 AM »
ICECREAM BOWLLLLL

yeah. 

I had to help some dipshit in highschool who was all scriptkiddielolol.


He wiped out all his config files for his screen while trying to do something stupid with his video card.


HALP I CANTPLAY GUIDLDWARS AND WOW IN WINE, HOW I FIX.


then he f*cked it all up trying to dual-boot, so I had to sit and do it again.
It's a pain in the balls.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

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Re: What do you guys think of IBM?
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2012, 04:15:54 AM »
iPod syncing?  LOL who uses that trash?


Hundreds of millions of people on horses shorter than yours.


And just as many are republicans, religious zealots, and child molesters.  Majority is nothing but a bunch of silly numbers.


wat.